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31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:31 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3070191.stm

With so many different visitors from different countrys, many of them working in various airports, airlines etc., here on airliners.net I guess providing a link to this story might be worth it.
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:42 pm


The two most interesting paragraphs in that story are:

"Mr Studabaker told his family he had not touched Shevaun, and that he was furious because she had lied to him about her age, claiming she was a 19-year-old student"

and

"Shevaun's parents believe she had not realised the ex-marine was 31, thinking him to be about 19."

They "met" in an internet chatroom....where you can be whatever you want to be. I was more than surprised that the parents of the girl let have access to the internet for 5 hours at a time, and on occasion when unsupervised, it appears 11 hours!

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:02 pm

What's wrong with letting her have unsupervised internet access?

It's just a medium. Would you stop her spending the same amount of time out in public unsupervised? There's much more risk in your nearest town centre than there is in a chatroom.
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:36 pm

Look at it this way, Bobrayner. Would you think it normal for a child to be in front of the TV for 11 hours straight? Probably not. Being at the computer for such a length of time is not particularly desirable. As for comparing it to being out in public, actually seeing people is somewhat different, the internet by its nature allows people to pretend they are different to who they really are. In this case, we don't know that has happened, but there are enough instances of children being "groomed" for sensible parents to be wary.

You do not know who I am, I do not know who you are. That is the advantage (I have absolutely no intention of disclosing my identity on a website like this) and also the disadvantage when those who have evil motives use it.
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:38 pm

This is bad news, the chat room need to be regulated some.
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:56 pm

The truly disturbing thing is that, at the time of posting this, they are stilll together, somewhere in Europe, and he is saying she is OK! I mean, by now she knows he isn't 19, he is 31; and he knows she isn't 19, she is 12. So why isn't she back home? Pronto!! Immediately??

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:20 pm



Is it me or does this girl look like a boy? Maybe it is just the mugshot.

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:24 pm


Breaking news is that he's been arrested in Germany.

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:46 pm

You're sure?

The news here...not yet.

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:58 pm


And she's been found "in the UK"

More on this BBC story

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:19 pm

Yeah, hes been arrested in Frankfurt, Germany and she is in the "company" of Greater Manchester Police.

I have a few issues to raise which come from this story. Firstly, you have to be careful on chatrooms but only SOME chatrooms. Stories like these, prompt news channels into making parents shit themselves about how much access they give their children to the internet. Lycos, Yahoo, MSN and AOL chat is poor anyway. For example, parents might hear that they were on aviation chat and freak because they think they might meet and be taken advantage of by someone. Thats rubbish, as many know.

My parents had initial problems with my use of the chatroom, but got to know that its not like those crappy chatrooms in which 31 year olds meet 12 year olds, and plan to fly 3000 miles to "meet" in a terribly stupid, and unsensible idea.

What I'm trying to say is that incidents like this tar chatrooms with the same brush.

My second main point, is that when this guy saw the girl he either thought - "shes not 19", or he thought "shes butt ugly". I would have thought both. If the guy was genuinely in belief that she was 19, then I feel sorry for him. If she was lying to him, then she is a mega bitch because she may cause him to be charged with abduction.

In my opinion, just another example of gross ignorance and stupidy in our world today.
 
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:32 pm


GloBaLeXpResS

Stories like these, prompt news channels into making parents shit themselves about how much access they give their children to the internet.


That's called sensationalism. Just like how 'hackers' were given the sour side of the lemon even though a harmless documentary were made dedicated to them, the media is now sensationalizing about how the internet is harmful to the minors.

As for parent supervision (I'm not a parent but this is my 2 cents), they should focus more on her being not inside, but outside the house because that's where the problem happened anyways.

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:47 am

THAT'S the girl?!? Daaaaaaamn! She looks like some little 12 y/o punk-ass boy.
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:58 am

THAT'S the girl?!? Daaaaaaamn! She looks like some little 12 y/o punk-ass boy.

Is it me or does this girl look like a boy? Maybe it is just the mugshot.


I'm amazed at the utter laxk of maturity of some members. These members feel the need to contribute to the forum, and they are wlcome to. But when they contribute, at least in this instance, they contribute pure crap.
 
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:20 am

Relax, and then take another look at that picture. Good lord!
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 2:11 am



Looks a lot like a young girl to me....
 
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:33 am

Are Detroit women that bad?
Are single women in there 30s that bad?
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old G

Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:26 am

I'm more concerned about the picture they used for the guy:



Oh, and another picture of the girl:


With all due respect, I think I know why she chose the web to find someone to love: A low self-esteem.
 
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:15 am

I would just like to correct something..

"31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl."

This guy is not a soldier, he was formerly in the Marine Corps but he is not and was not during the time of the abduction a member of the Military.

He was discharged prior to this.

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:30 am

A 31 year old with three years in service and ONLY an E-3 aka Lance Corporal. Something has to tell me this guy was probably a shitbag in the Marine Corps. He looks like a lazy Private Pyle to me. No wonder he was discharged probably an other-then-honorable dischange and the minimum years you can now serve in the armed forces is 4 years.

And now he is abucting 12 years old girls online? This guy really needs a life.

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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:05 am

Yeah, and how old was that picture, FlyBoy?

He didn't abduct anybody. She lied and said she was 19. When he found out he sent her home. When German authorities caught him, she was already en route to England. This was really blown out of proportion.

Here's something to ponder: How come its only international news when a suburban WHITE girl goes missing?
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:37 pm

Just two things to remember:

1. When things like this one and stories about second-rate German and Italian politicians calling each other names are on the front-page of the newspapers, you should know instinctively that we have reached what we call the Sommerloch in Germany, that is, nothing going on in the world to catch the reader's interest, so they start working on the lowest of mankind's instincts.
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2. To a few members here: Not only on this thread we find posts of you guys giving very immature and rude comments about the looks of other people. Now get your asses up and walk to your bathrooms and look into the mirror: Now ask yourself: Are you qualified to give such shitty remarks in public?
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:55 pm

Actually, Gocaps I believe he was honourably discharged, for reasons undisclosed.

Some new news, the FBI believe they've found evidence of child pornography on his computer. An interesting and shocking development, this may but the nail in this guys coffin.

Extradition to the UK, and thus being charged with abduction and grooming of children (that is a new law, that punishes adults for "inticing" children into meeting them for sexual relations).

Obviously, we'll see what happens.
 
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old G

Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:25 pm

He was given a discharge due to a shoulder inury.

Also, I wonder why they chose the least flattering picture of him? The one they used in the paper I read, was when he was in the military, where he looked a bit more normal than the picture I linked to earlier.
 
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:13 pm

CPH-R That was the most recent picture, of him arriving at MAN. They had previously been using the military picture, but obviously had to update his image at the time of the search.
 
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RE: 31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.

Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:59 pm

Here is an interresting fact; I was taking pictures at MAN when the plane they were on departed for London. Hmmm.  Insane

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