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Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:18 am

It's the fourth time the United States has won the competition since it was first held in 1993.

Eighteen countries from as far away as Singapore and Nigeria sent three-student teams to the two-day tournament at Busch Gardens. The United States, Germany and France advanced to the finals after beating the other countries


http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/07/17/geographic.bee.ap/index.html

Thank goodness they were able to find St. Louis  Smile
 
Matt D
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:22 am

This is good, but nothing to get excited about. Stand by for the inevitable avalanche of Europeans whining about how we Americans are so "ignorant" in terms of where the world is, and how we couldn't find our own country on a map.

I have yet to hear any compelling, much less convincing argument as to WHY this is a bad thing. Finding a country on a map is one of those "specialized" skills, sort of like calculus: unless you are an astronomer or UN diplomat, who even NEEDS to know where anything is? It is an utterly pointless thing.

And if Americans have a hard time finding France on a map, how come so many Europeans have a hard time locating deodorant?
 
bobrayner
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:28 am

However...

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/
Only 13% of Americans aged 18-24 could find Iraq on a map.

Some other recognition rates:
13% for Iran;
17% for Afghanistan;
24% for Saudi Arabia;
30% for New Jersey;
51% for New York;
71% the Pacific.

 Big grin
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bobrayner
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:34 am

I have yet to hear any compelling, much less convincing argument as to WHY this is a bad thing. Finding a country on a map is one of those "specialized" skills, sort of like calculus: unless you are an astronomer or UN diplomat, who even NEEDS to know where anything is? It is an utterly pointless thing.

Finding a country on a map is a specialised skill??

And if Americans have a hard time finding France on a map, how come so many Europeans have a hard time locating deodorant?

Cheap insults, so soon? We expect better of you.

At least the USA scored higher than Mexico...
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Matt D
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:37 am

When I say "specialized skill", I am lumping that in the same league as geometry, calculus, and the ability to rebuild a transmission blindfolded: They are not essential to to living a successful life, unless your occupation is such that those actual disciplines are required.

Now reading, writing, adding and subtracting ARE essential skills. No one is going to go hungry or homeless because they don't know the capitol of Burma.
 
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:38 am

Well, all I can say is that I hope that the 31% who located New Jersey were also familiar with the whereabouts of New York  Wink/being sarcastic

I think its fairly important to know where you are, especially if you go about to different airports with your camera.

Ray (from Europe)
 
DoorsToManual
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:38 am

The benefits of education aren't always economically/socially/personally tangible - but I generally find uneducated individuals quite boring....
 
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:40 am

No one is going to go hungry or homeless because they don't know the capitol of Burma.

Myanmar.
Capital.
Did you say that literacy was an essential skill too?  Smile

[Edited 2003-07-18 00:43:22]
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aloges
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:45 am

"The teenagers beat Germany in the finals by identifying Bahrain from a series of clues about the oil-producing nation..."

No wonder those Americans won! It was all about oil! And you folks are best at finding it!








(this was a joke)
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:48 am

oh, and the headline of that article is:

"U.S. bests Germany, France for world geography title"

Somehow, that reminds me of "Did you say that literacy was an essential skill too?"  Big grin
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:49 am

Aloges, that might be funny for some, but you might get banned! Careful!
 
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:59 am

Well DoorsToManual, I hope I'm not crossing any lines!

And because I love Google so much, I looked up a geography quiz for everyone: http://www.lizardpoint.com/fun/geoquiz/ Feel like posting your results? Don't hesitate!
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:29 am

Aloges- actually, "bests" is correct, it is another way of saying "beats". 'I bested you in that match'/'I beat you in that match"
 
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:30 am

Well then! To live means to learn, I guess!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:47 am

Well, Bob, let's see you or anyone try to point out your nation of residence on a map. Want to try it? Where exactly is 127.0.0.1? Oh, pardon me, you don't know where that is? Dang, so much for that. Shouldn't on ebe able to pick their own country out of a drop-down list? No map was even involved in that test.

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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:52 am


Aloges et al,

Well, OK I was one point down for Europe (always confuse Latvia and Lithuania) and 123 out of 150 for the US states.

The challenge has begun  Big thumbs up

Ray
 
aloges
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:57 am

111 for Europe (with Lithuania & Latvia being the most difficult ones)
126 for USA
38 for South America
and I-don't-remember-what for Asia, Africa and Canada... but I did find Nunavut!
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:33 am

150 out of 150 for USA (gee wizz, I know my own country.)

39 out of 39 for Canada (watching all that CBC really helps)

33 out of 33 on Continents/Oceans

100 out of 111 for Europe (screwed up the southeastern europe countries)

39 out of 39 for South America.


boy im one dumb american.
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delta-flyer
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:27 am

Well, I'm a sucker for quizzes....here are my scores:
World....perfect
USA.....perfect
Canada...perfect
Europe...109/111
Caribbean....51/72
Africa...99/147
Asia...81/84
Middle East..83/87
Central America...41/42
South America...38/39

What's this about Americans being bad in geography?

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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:32 am

Canada - 39/39 (Gosh, I certainly hope so)
Africa - 125/147 (I've always had a lot of trouble with Africa, glad I got that many!)
Asia - 77/84 (A little disappointed, slipping on the CIS)
Caribbean - 48/72 (Just don't have the spatial memory for those ones!)
Central America - 41/42 (Yay!)
Europe - 104/111 (Not as smart as I thought I was)
Middle East - 83/87 (this is one we should all know well these days)
South America -39/39 (EASY!)
USA 145/150(Mississippi,Missouri, and Arkansas I can't seem to keep straight!)
World 33/33 (I certainly hope everyone could do this one ok!)

Well, that was fun. Good way to analyze weaknesses; now I know what to study!

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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:51 am

United States - 150/150
Canada - 39/39
Asia - 81/82
Europe - 107/111
Central America - 41/42
Caribbean - 63/72
South America - 39/39
Africa - 116/147
Middle East - 80/87
World/Oceans - 33/33
 
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:32 pm

150:150-US
39:39-Canada
140:147-Africa
83:84-Asia (had some trouble with one of the "stans")
42:42-Central America
111:111-Europe
87:87-Middle East
38:39-South America (Guyana, French Guiana, and Suriname...do we really need three?)
33:33: Oceans/Continents

I guess someone forgot to tell me I was supposed to suck at geography Big grin

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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:39 pm

Africa : 90/147
Asia : 62/84
Canada : 39/39
Caribbean : 44/72
Central America : 30/42
Europe : 92/111
MidEast : 81/87
South America : 37/39
USA : 116/150
Oceans/Continents : 29/33

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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:40 pm

I have yet to hear any compelling, much less convincing argument as to WHY this is a bad thing. Finding a country on a map is one of those "specialized" skills, sort of like calculus: unless you are an astronomer or UN diplomat, who even NEEDS to know where anything is? It is an utterly pointless thing.

This is ridiculous. Your President made the decision to go at war with countries that would dare stand in his way. And yet, a majority of Americans don't have the knowledge to be able to evaluate and judge by themselves the geopolitical and geostrategic impacts of these decisions. What kind of a democracy is that?

No wonder an infamous stateman was once candid enough to say: "Education is good, but not that much. An educated people is tougher to manipulate".

Democracy is not simply the act of drawing a little cross, in a little box, on a little piece of paper once every 4 years. Democracy means that the people is informed, know and understand the issues and the impacts of what is going on in their "City" (in the platonian acceptance of the word). That's the difference between an individual, in the sense that a single cow is also an individual, and a "citizen" (in the rousseauian acceptance of the word), that is someone who is involved in the city.

This notion that the so-called "non-practical in the short term" knowledge is not important is one key element of the anti-intellectuals and was also one of the key element of the early 20th century European fascists parties. And that's no coincidence. No one is more dangerous than the one who rejects knowledge and, therefore, advocates ignorance.
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delta-flyer
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Sat Jul 19, 2003 1:49 pm

.....a majority of Americans don't have the knowledge to be able to evaluate and judge by themselves the geopolitical and geostrategic impacts of these decisions.

And knowing how to pick off countries from an unmarked map gives people the tools needed to make such decisions?

Just as in other countries, we have some very smart people and some very dumb people. But strangely, we seem to attract the smartest of them all, from around the globe. Why do you think that is?

Pete
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Jean Leloup
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:13 pm

Because you have the money to pay them more. that's the only reason i'm aware of.
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:13 pm

Hmmm. I only got 28/33 cos the last question asked where Undefined was!

So come on then, tell me where UNDEFINED is on the world map...

 Confused

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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:33 am

Because you have the money to pay them more.

Exactly who pays them more?

Pete
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bobrayner
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Sun Jul 20, 2003 2:16 am

Exactly who pays them more?

Stronger economy (with emphasis on service industries) and generally low taxes. Of course, it's a faint positive feedback loop - once you attract the more talented specialists, that helps strengthen the economy, which makes it a more attractive place to work...

I'd definitely consider working there when my current contract ends. On the other hand, those low taxes mean less services, so I'd not go if I wanted education / family / healthcare / retirement. Swings and roundabouts.
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:20 am

Just as in other countries, we have some very smart people and some very dumb people. But strangely, we seem to attract the smartest of them all, from around the globe.

And your point is???
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delta-flyer
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:30 am

And your point is???

Smart people would not find living among dummies too attractive. The fact that they come to the USA means that they think we are not as stupid as you and others on this site may think we are.

That's my point.

Cheers
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RE: Americans Win World Geography Competition

Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:03 am

Just done the Caribbean Quiz 32:72 I must be the worst. So, I'm being honest (and a European  Insane )

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