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Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:28 pm

Just seen the live pictures on BBC News 24.. he was smiling and seemed very happy.. sick man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3130929.stm

He deserves everything he gets. They said on BBC News 24 that it will be execution by firing squad.

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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:43 pm

As much as I'm against the death penalty, I'm finding it hard to feel compassion for this man.

There are some people in this world who shun the gift of life - he's had a fair trial and justice has been done. It's been proved beyond all doubt he did what he did.

I must commend the Indonesian courts for such a coherant, fair, and professional court case. I must say - the Indonesian government is pushing all the right buttons in this war on terror.

Aside from that. Let's all stop thinking about Amrozi, and remember the more than two hundred people who died on October 12.

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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:44 pm

The trouble with these religious fanatics is that they believe that after death they are going to a better place so to die is no big deal for them.

What would be a better punishment is for one of their clerics to damn them and let them know that they will not be going to paradise after they are executed. No smiley faces then.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:55 pm

It's good to see justice being done. I have no compassion for people like this, especially after the way they behaved in court.

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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 7:03 pm

"I'll be happy to die a martyr ... After me there will be a million more Amrozis."

Disgusting.
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:10 pm

"Amrozi was sorry for the deaths of those people who were not targets."

Gee, well what nice guy. Maybe we should let him go.

Nah, skim him and set him on fire instead.
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:20 pm

Good riddance. The world becomes a better place every time one of these sub humans are eliminated from the face of the earth. Whether he himself likes it or not. (And i can assure you that he is NOT coming to his damned paradise. He will be dead as can be, enjoying the soil and maggots around his rotting f*cking corpse.) Pardon my harsch language but i would piss on his grave if i could. People like these have NO value to me REGARDLESS what community they were raised in, what abusive parents they had or whatever. There's no damn excuse for killing 200 innocent people. PERIOD. (Get that. No but's or if's. THERE IS NO EXCUSE!)


For accasions like these torture should be allowed. Given the fact that these idiots really believe that the will have a good time after they die. Show them that they are alive.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:22 pm

Saintsman, they can believe that, but isn't the ultimate "justice", if you will, when they do die, and realize they are not in a paradise, perhaps, but in an eternal agony? That, to me, is the ultimate guilty sentence for scum like this.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:48 pm

This is hardly case for torture for crying out loud. While I'm against the death penalty, it's pretty hard to feel any sort of compassion for this man. Nevertheless TORTURE is simply out of the question. It would make us just as evil as he is.
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:39 am

Let him die like those he killed. From slowly bleeding to death while suffering from 3rd degree burns and smoke poisoning.

Don't those fanatics believe in "an eye for an eye", would be fitting...
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:44 am

And if you stick to "an eye for an eye" eventually the whole world will be blind.  Big grin
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:34 am

The whole martyr thing is fine for him right now, but I am sure when it all sinks in, and/or he is standing at the receiving end of a firing squad, he will quickly change his tune...all cowards do. The reaction of his younger brother, also involved, breaking down and admitting guilt in court, is an illustration of this. But, he is right, Allah does have plans for him after he leaves this earth, just not quite what he expected. All we can hope for is that an Indonesian soldier or policeman in the firing squad "accidentally" aims low.

I think of all those who dies on Oct. 12, and then see this scumbag's grinning face, and it makes me ill.


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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:43 am

Not torture, but I do feel that perhaps his last meals should be made of exclusively one dietary item....

Pork.....The other white meat.


Maybe constantly play episodes of Benny Hinns show over and over again for the next couple of month, 24/7
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:22 am

It would make us just as evil as he is.


No. We did not kill 200 innocent wifes, husbands, daughters, sons, brothers, sisters and friends of someone. I do not believe how anyone can have any remorse whatsoever for a man like this. How would you feel if a loved one of yours is dead and non exsistent because of this asshole's actions? Would you be as remorsefull?


I for one can say that i would not. Leave me alone with this guy and he is dead. And i can say that without being ashamed of myself. I'm not a murderer. I would never dream of hurting anyone, let alone 200 innocent people. But i would tear this shithole's heart out and serve it on a silver platter for the victims of his actions. Now does that make me an evil man? As evil as he?


Every single one of you who in any way try to defend this guys right to anything at all ask yourself this: How would you feel if your wife, girlfriend or best friend no longer exsisted because of this guy? Unless you're religious you would never meet them again. Never talk to them again, never hear their voice again. That's it. Coinsidence or maybe faith decided that you met. But this guy decided that you part. This one man ended everything and turned the world you know completely upside down. Because of this one man you stand in the dark with possibly nothing more than your own painfull thoughts. How anyone can accept this man rights to anything at all i truly do not understand. May he rot in hell.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:36 am

No. We did not kill 200 innocent wifes, husbands, daughters, sons, brothers, sisters and friends of someone. I do not believe how anyone can have any remorse whatsoever for a man like this. How would you feel if a loved one of yours is dead and non exsistent because of this asshole's actions? Would you be as remorsefull?

No, but that doesn't give you right to torture him. There are standards of human rights. If you torture him you becomes just like him. He killed 200 innocent wives, but you tortured someone -- which I think morally is wrong. You obviously don't.

But i would tear this shithole's heart out and serve it on a silver platter for the victims of his actions. Now does that make me an evil man? As evil as he?

No, it makes you emotional. Do you think emotional people should be allowed to decide punishments?

Every single one of you who in any way try to defend this guys right to anything at all ask yourself this: How would you feel if your wife, girlfriend or best friend no longer exsisted because of this guy?

I'd feel terrible, however I wouldn't think the guy deserved to be tortured for what he got. Capital punishment? Well, I'm usually against it but as I've never had my family murdered by someone I'm not going to comment. Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to torture him.

Unless you're religious you would never meet them again. Never talk to them again, never hear their voice again. That's it. Coinsidence or maybe faith decided that you met. But this guy decided that you part. This one man ended everything and turned the world you know completely upside down. Because of this one man you stand in the dark with possibly nothing more than your own painfull thoughts. How anyone can accept this man rights to anything at all i truly do not understand. May he rot in hell.

Emotive nonsense. You don't even make sense here. You seem blinded by anger (which I think you'd be the first to admit). Every human has rights. They may kill someone else, but they still have fundamental rights. They have rights to legal representation, to a fair trial and a right NOT to be tortured. Being angry doesn't give you a right to torture someone.
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:36 am

Maybe he should get the electric chair instead of the lethal injection. It'll still kill him, but at least he'll feel some pain.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:49 am

He's getting a firing squad...
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:03 am

First off. Yes, i am biased by anger in my above posts. The comments about torture is not necessarilly something i would like to be enforced by the legal system but however it's what i feel that i wanna do to this prick.


If you torture him you becomes just like him.


So you equal killing 200 innocent people with torturing 1 slime ball who has commited the most hideous crime there is?


Every human has rights. They may kill someone else, but they still have fundamental rights.


Why? A fair trial yes. But after that, enough with the silk gloves already. Execute him. Did the 200 people who died have any right to choose whether to die or not? No they didn't. This guy chose for them. As shall someone choose for him.


I have another question. What exactly is the diffence between putting him in jail his whole life to suffer (This is what most people wan't) and giving him a traditional torture? Why is spending your whole life in a cell with your thoughts more humane than having salt poured in open wounds?




And to clarify my standpoint: As a believer of a afterlife i believe that the sentence was right. In the most cost effective way (No tax $$ paying for his sorry ass in jail for years to come) he will be killed and he will meet his creator who will judge him ultimately. May he not have any mercy on his soul.






 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:26 am

So you equal killing 200 innocent people with torturing 1 slime ball who has commited the most hideous crime there is?

Yes, pretty much. They're both awful things. If you want to go by scale, how much of a slime ball were the planners behind september 11th? What about this: are the pharmacutical firms slimeballs? Their high prices limit HIV treatment in the devloping world, killing thousand. Execute them?

A fair trial yes. But after that, enough with the silk gloves already. Execute him. Did the 200 people who died have any right to choose whether to die or not? No they didn't. This guy chose for them. As shall someone choose for him.

So not torture, only execution?

What exactly is the diffence between putting him in jail his whole life to suffer (This is what most people wan't) and giving him a traditional torture?

Because in jail he's essentially human. He can think and act like a human. Society is protected from him though. Torture is simply for vengence. If everyone applied "an eye for an eye" we'd be all blind pretty quickly.

Let me answer you this. He didn't just randomly bomb somewhere. He bombed somewhere because he felt that he had a cause. Torturing him just makes the government seem more evil and cause more people to attack it.
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:28 am

He's getting a firing squad...

Oh, thanks for telling me.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:23 pm

Two things shock me..

1) The bloodthirsty herd mentality displayed by some members on this thread.

2) The behaviour of the Australians present at Amrozis trial, who cheered, stamped, and applauded when he was sentenced to be killed.


Before you ask, I lost a cousin in this act of terrorism. Taking the life of the man who killed these people lowers us to Amrozi's level.
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:14 pm

TG992: Amen to all you've said!!!
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:23 pm

TG992,

I agree with your thoughts. Although I guess I can understand some of the *bloodthirsty* thoughts of some people. But in a way it's good closure for many people who lost loved ones.

As for the sentence, I will never agree with such a barbaric penality imposed on anyone. Regardless of what attrocity this man has commited we must always act in a humane manner.

Being incarcerated for the rest of his natural life in an Indonesian prison would be penalty enough.

I find it strange that Australian authorities, including the Prime Minister have applauded the Indonesian authorities with their verdict and the way they have handled the whole trial.

Considering that if the attrocity had happened on our own soil there would be no death penalty.

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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:34 pm

Yes, pretty much. They're both awful things.



I can not believe what you're saying here.



If you want to go by scale, how much of a slime ball were the planners behind september 11th? What about this: are the pharmacutical firms slimeballs? Their high prices limit HIV treatment in the devloping world, killing thousand. Execute them?


As far is i am concerned OBL is a slime ball. The pharmaceutical companies not providing HIV treatment for free are slime balls. The ones ultimately responsible for sept 11th are the ones who flew the planes. OBL did not fly the planes into the WTC. The shit heads who did it choose to do so themselves. They're entirely responsible for their own actions. Hence they should be killed (they are already dead though thank god). And the pharmaceutical companies are not actively killing anyone hence they should not be executed. HIV is killing them not the companies. The companies are acting completely out of moral and are inhumane yes but that's something else.


So not torture, only execution?

Yes execution.


Torture is simply for vengence.

Then what is jail? It is NOT simply for protecting the fellon from the public i'll tell you that.


He bombed somewhere because he felt that he had a cause. Torturing him just makes the government seem more evil and cause more people to attack it.


Provided that there are people who symphatize with his cause i agree with you. As i said, i would personally like to make this shit feel that he's alive but it is not something that i would wan't to be used by the legal system.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:08 pm

I can not believe what you're saying here.

Really? Uh...why?

As far is i am concerned OBL is a slime ball. The pharmaceutical companies not providing HIV treatment for free are slime balls. The ones ultimately responsible for sept 11th are the ones who flew the planes. OBL did not fly the planes into the WTC. The shit heads who did it choose to do so themselves. They're entirely responsible for their own actions. Hence they should be killed (they are already dead though thank god). And the pharmaceutical companies are not actively killing anyone hence they should not be executed. HIV is killing them not the companies.

In which case OBL shouldn't be killed, he didn't kill anyone directly. See, here's the problem when you're talking about justice, vengence, revenge etc. There's a very very thin line that no one can define. Charging high prices for HIV drugs is ultimatly just as deadly as flying a plane into a building.

Then what is jail? It is NOT simply for protecting the fellon from the public i'll tell you that.

Yeah, that's true enough. Jail is punishment, but at least it serves some other use than simple punishment. There is a very big gap between imprisoning someone and torturing them.

Provided that there are people who symphatize with his cause i agree with you. As i said, i would personally like to make this shit feel that he's alive but it is not something that i would wan't to be used by the legal system.

Petty vengence can't realy override the larger picture. More lives will be saved if there are less religious fanatics.
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:42 pm

". Charging high prices for HIV drugs is ultimatly just as deadly as flying a plane into a building."

This may take the cake for the most implausible, utterly nonsensical statement ever posted on this website or perhaps any other.

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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:45 pm

". Charging high prices for HIV drugs is ultimatly just as deadly as flying a plane into a building."

This may take the cake for the most implausible, utterly nonsensical statement ever posted on this website or perhaps any other.

Why?

Pricing most African people out of HIV drugs kills lots of people. Infact it's probably more deadly than the September 11th attacks. Unless you know better?
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:45 pm

Really? Uh...why?


Because you seem to equal 200 independent lives with the 1 life of a criminal guilty of the worst crime there is. I'm absolutely appaled by your view at this.


In which case OBL shouldn't be killed, he didn't kill anyone directly.


I didn't say that. I said that murder should be punished with death, i did not say that other crimes couldn't be punished with that aswell. OBL is guilty of being the mastermind of the sept 11 attacks among many other terrorsit attacks directed at innocent civilans. So surely he has blood on his hands and should be prosecuted and given a fair trial and if the judge finds appropriate, executed.


Charging high prices for HIV drugs is ultimatly just as deadly as flying a plane into a building.


Yes but denying someone help is not the same thing as flying a plane into a skyscraper and actively killing thousands of people. You must see the difference? It is imoral and wrong and against my viewpoint of things but it is not the same thing as willfully taking someone's life.


There is a very big gap between imprisoning someone and torturing them.

To be simple, yes there is. Having them in jail for years cost's tax payers thousands of $$.


Petty vengence can't realy override the larger picture. More lives will be saved if there are less religious fanatics.


I'm a religious fanatic because i think the death penalty is good? How will terrorists look differently at me and spare my people if i imprison that scumbag instead of execute him? And besides. Can you imagine the hostage situations and the like that having for example OBL imprisoned would create? There would be no end.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:57 pm

Because you seem to equal 200 independent lives with the 1 life of a criminal guilty of the worst crime there is. I'm absolutely appaled by your view at this.

They're all still human lives.

Yes but denying someone help is not the same thing as flying a plane into a skyscraper and actively killing thousands of people.

How? GlaxoSmithKlein and its ilk are indirectly killing thousands of people.

I'm a religious fanatic because i think the death penalty is good?

I meant religious fanatics like this bomber (obviously).

How will terrorists look differently at me and spare my people if i imprison that scumbag instead of execute him? And besides. Can you imagine the hostage situations and the like that having for example OBL imprisoned would create? There would be no end.

So come on then genius, give me another solution. I'm not really worried about those that are dead, they're not around any more. I don't care about the bomber. What do we do to try and curb fundamentalism? What causes people to blow things up?
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:36 am

 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:38 am

777236ER:

"Pricing most African people out of HIV drugs kills lots of people. Infact it's probably more deadly than the September 11th attacks. Unless you know better?"

"How? GlaxoSmithKlein and its ilk are indirectly killing thousands of people. "

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Statements like this ignore boulder-sized distinctions in basic logic, ethics, and rationality. More fundamentally, these remarks reflect a warped and insufferably self-righteous view of the world rather than meaningful compassion for the victims of a disease.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:11 am

They're all still human lives.


So you see no difference in 1 and 200? If you could take away one life to save 200 would you not do it? (Obviously killing the perpetrator of this crime will not give back any of the 200 souls lost but hypothetically.)



Statements like this ignore boulder-sized distinctions in basic logic, ethics, and rationality. More fundamentally, these remarks reflect a warped and insufferably self-righteous view of the world rather than meaningful compassion for the victims of a disease.


Couldn't have said it better myself. The pharmaceutical companies are as guilty of murder as you are. You can give away your salary to some third world family to live on for the rest of their lives. But instead you do not and they die. Does this make you a murderer and guilty of inderectly killing someone? Absolutely not.




So come on then genius, give me another solution. I'm not really worried about those that are dead, they're not around any more. I don't care about the bomber. What do we do to try and curb fundamentalism? What causes people to blow things up?


1. Eliminate the ones that murder innocent people.

2. Figure out what causes people to blow things up and then eliminate the cause.


There's no other way to do it. You don't stop it by being all nice and feeling compassion for the poor terrorist who against his own poor will has been brought up with certain beliefs and views. iv'e said it before and i say it again: There is no excuse for killing innocent people. I know many people who have gone through hell in their lives and have not hurt anyone. THERE IS NO EXCUSE. Period.
 
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RE: Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death

Sat Aug 09, 2003 5:20 pm

The side issue of HIV drugs is like this:

We in the western world should be ABSOLUTELY ashamed of ourselves for not providing enough R&D dollars to Cancer, HIV, other disease research and development to public institutions.

Giving grant money or relying on the drug manufacturers is literally handing them a blank cheque book. What impetus do they have to find real cures?

Why would ANY private company with a shareholder payroll want to all of a sudden come out with a cancer / hiv cure if they had thousands and thousands of people hooked on their alternative products to survive?

There is no way we will see a cure for cancer or HIV until our governments put the money to *public* rather than private resources. This is where rampant capitalism fails us miserably and corporate greed runs the show.

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