Sean, we've tried the ideological strength route for eight years and what did we get?
Josh, I know you've only been around 20 years, but can't you look past Clinton AT ALL
? For EIGHT YEARS? Try 50 years, son. We used that ideological strength to fight the cold war under Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan and H.W. Bush. To be sure, we needed military strength, but if you look at the history of the Cold War, diplomacy won the battle, not bruth force. Even in the Missile Crisis, where we stood on the brink of annihilation in 1962, it was diplomacy, BACKED by a threat of force that carried the day, not the George W. Bush School of "Diplomacy", which shoots first, then asks help from the UN later.
The STRENGTH of the ideology goes beyond Clinton and Bush, or Regan and Kennedy-it's not the ideology of conservative or liberal-it's an AMERICAN ideal that a free nation's LAST option should be military force, and that diplomacy can and should be used until there's no other option. Bush did not do that in Iraq-he brushed aside diplomacy, barely giving it lip service, and rushed to war. That goes against the grain of a lifetime of the U.S., and it's going to cause us major headaches, because, if Bush continues this disastrous approach, not a nation in the world will trust the U.S. diplomatically for a long time, and that's a bigger danger to us than Saddam Hussein ever was in George Bush's wildest fantasy.
There will always be people who hate America--for our success, our way of life, and the fact that we are the worlds only remaining superpower.
Yes, you're right, Jcs-you can't please everyone, that is true. But we've gone beyond pissing off those who hate us-we've pissed off and alienated those who truely like the U.S., and the basic precepts of what it stands for-decency, tolerance, patience. Bush has thrown all that out, in his haste to go to war in Iraq. Those who will always hate can take care of themselves, but when you really start to alienate your friends, who is going to stand with you the next time, when you've made it clear that their opinions and ways of looking at things don't matter at all to you? That's what Bush has done, and it's a disatster for long-term relations with our friends.
There needs to be an active deterrent...and sadly, the only threat that these people understand is a military one.
That active deterrent has ALWAYS been there, since the guns fell silent in August, 1945. It IS
the U.S. armed forces, no doubt, but the armed forces have almost always been in tandem with a strong, CREDIBLE diplomatic presence. One cannot survive without the other. Nixon would never have been accepted in opening relations with China without that combination; Kennedy would have had a failed hand in the Missile Crisis without that combination; George W. Bush wouldn't have been able to put together that impressive coalition in 1991 without it. You MUST have both. If you don't eventually, it will bite you in your ass, and that's where we're headed right now.
Do I smell some class envy?
Not at all, but do YOU deny the chasm between rich and poor is not growning by the year? It is, and one reason is we let many of the rich cheat-legally-on paying taxes. No class envy, just a fact. I doubt you're rich, so it's funny you'd defend their right to put your nose in it.
I was talking about immigrants. Two strikes and your out means that you will be deported after a second infraction.
Ah, so an immigrant steals a bike, and they're tossed? Do I smell some racism? Deny it, but you have a deep, visceral distrust of foreigners, to the point that you're paranoid about them, son.
Let me ask you a question. Do you think its fair that my father's former company purchased a house in Atlanta built in 1903 for their startup, and in order to make it ADA compliant they had to spend an additional 200k?
Ah, so you break it down to MONEY!!!
Screw the disabled person who may want to business with your fathers company, but doesn't have access to the place-who really CARES what happens to a dispabled person, after all, we know they should just be locked up anyway as a financial drain on society.
Yes, it was absolutely fair your father's company do that. If they weren't smart enough to make it accessable for all, that's their problem, not that of the disabled person. Although, how dare those disableds want to do anything, right?
I find my idea much more appealing; a safe place for these people where they are away from drugs and alcohol, can be properly medicated, sleep in a bed, have three meals, and be off the streets.
Don't insult my intelligence, Josh. That's not why you want to do it-you want these people out of sight, out of mind, so they don't infringe on your perfect little life, am I not right? You want them put away, in a virtual prison, because they are destitute. It has NOTHING to do with compassion, of which you have shown very little of in your writings.
Hypothetically, an African-American shoots me in the head for reasons of hatred, he gets 40 years in prison. I shoot an African-American in the head, I get a death sentence because it is considered a "hate crime."
Amazing you say that, since the majority of people who are on death row are black, Jcs. If they shoot you in the head, they'll get life or the death sentence, and if you do the same, so will you. I've rarely seen a case on premeditated murder where someone didn't get life or the chair. Again, you're yelling sour grapes out of your loathing of other races, period. You can deny it, but it's so pervasive on what you say, that it's the truth.
Why cant that person learn English?
DID I NOT SAY THAT
? Re-read what I said, son. They should learn to learn English, but left to your hairbrianed ideas, they wouldn't even have access to forms here when they move here. Why the hell should they learn english BEFORE they even decide to come here. We're a minorty, son-most the world doesn't speak our language. They should learn it, but to say flat-out NOTHING will be printed in a foreign language, to assist immigrants, is plain stupid, and of course, it would deter immigration, which, if you ask me, is what you want anyway. The white man is hear already, so why the hell should we care if anyone else wants to come here.
Yeah, corporations should be responsible for someone elses stupidity.
They should be responsible for makiing a product that endagners the public. That doesn't mean people should get off the hook for doing something they know will hurt them, but where is the repsonsibility of the company for making such a product?
Spare me the bullshit about better schools. The NEA has been saying the same things about "better schools" for the past twenty years...and what have we gotten?
So has both George Bush's; so has Bill Clinton, and Ronald Reagan, and every other president. We need a national committment to make sure our schools are sound physically, that there are good, new textbooks, that the teachers are qualified. But under your plan, you just want to give up, throw in the towel, and make everyone a good little Christian-or is that the plan, to make sure everyone has a nice, Christian education. Again, I don't want someone spending MY
TAX DOLLARS so their kids get a free ride in a private school. Let them pay for it, if htey want it. As a Republican, one who's party is always harping on self-sufficiency, it amazes me you're for this. But then again, it doesn't, because the GOP has a goal to destroy public education in this nation.
1. The only countries I hate are those who refuse to support us, even though we have supported them through their darkest days.
Iraq was not one of our darkest days, Josh. It was a war our preisdent wanted in the worst way, and was going to get it no matter what. France, Britian, Germany, Belgium, Russia, Japan, South Africa-anyone you can almost name, supported us WHOLEHEARTEDLY in our darkest days-9/11, and they even supported our war in Afghanistan. But they opposed Iraq, a war that most of the world felt didn't need to happen, and you want to cut their balls of FOREVER!! Some "friend" you are. And you have the balls to scream about France? Grow up! These people supported and stood by us before you and I were a gleam in our parents' eyes, son! And they still do, but over ONE ISSUE, you want to make them persona non grata. What pettiness! What shallowness! What short-sightedness!
2. Now where did I say that exactly?
You want compulsury military service; you want to arm our border, for Christ sake, with two friendly nations who have NEVER threatened us. You yell at ANYONE who dares to question the military. You're a miltarist, and militarism in a free society is a very dangerous thing.
3. Yes, I hate unproductive people. I suggest others take the same attitude. We must demand the most out of every citizen.
Thats the biggest difference between you and me. You see, my parents taught me not to hate. Obviously, yours didn't. I hate very little in this world-OBL
and Saddam may be about it. But left to you, we'd open a pandora's box, to where these poeple, eventually, wouldn't just be locked up-we'd just get rid of them for daring to be a drain on us, or daring to be sick, or indigent, or crippled, or mentally ill. Impossible? Ask the people of Germany about that, Josh.
4. No, I dont want to see the rich punished for their success.
No, but you want to see the poor punished or locked up for their lack of success. That's why what you want is so dangerous.
5. Not all private schools are religious, chief.
The majority are, son, and you know it, so stop bullshitting me, OK
Alpha1, you are such a reactionary individual.
Me? Show me anything incredibly reactionary in what I would do? YOU WANT TO
LOCK PEOPLE UP FOR
BEING HOMELESS! And I'M reactionary. I'm very centrists. If you not, son, I fnd what Superfly stand for, which is extreme liberalism, as distasteful as extreme conservatism. Both are dangerous; both are unwilling to compromise; both are not good for this nation.
If I'm reactionary, then George Bush is Santa Claus.
In your world, the sky is always falling, and there is always SOMEONE ELSE TO BLAME FOR YOUR OWN PROBLEMS.
Sure, that's why YOU want to lock up the poor, or immigrants, or the homeless. Hitler blamed the Jews-you blame the blacks, the gays, the poor, foreigners, the homeless. Get my point?
As for me, I'm an eternal optimist. I believe in the enduring goodness and strength of this nation, despite the damage zealots like Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld are doing to this nation. I beleive that the AMERICAN way, not the conservative or liberal way, is stonger than any belief in vogue. I believe that it is our strength as a people, not in a dogma or a political party, that makes us great. You, on the other hand, are looking to blame everyone for our current woes, and you want to punish everyone for that.
Yeah, nothing like requiring a child to read by Grade 4...
These tests, Josh, have nothing to do with that. I have children, son. I SEE
the overt emphasis on the tests, and not on education; I see what this mandatory bullshit has done. Toss that away, and go back to the basic of the 3 R's, and do so in buildings that are safe, with teachers who are committed to learning, in communities that want their kids to succeed. Just tossing all of them in private schools, AT MY
EXPENSE, isn't the answer, and does NOT guarnatee them a better education.
Alpha, why shouldnt that kid living in inner-city Cleveland have the same opportunity as your kid in the suburbs? Why shouldnt he be able to read by the 2nd grade? Does he not deserve a good education?
You turn into sounding like a liberal Democrat on this issue: LET THE GOVERNMENT GIVE THE MONEY TO
EDUCATION!!! Why don't we just work to make the schools as good as we can, instead of giving up, and throwing MY
MONEY at these people. You can't stand that your tax dollars go to welfare, but you have the balls to ask me why I don't want someone using MY
TAX MONEY to educate their child? My two oldest kids have been in public schools all their lives-my daughter is on track, if she keeps the straight and narrow, to get a college scholarship, she's that smart, which I'm very proud of. It has NOTHING to do with private schools, but with the want to learn, and the envoirnment to learn. Simply throwing them in to a Catholic or Baptist school (God help them on the latter) won't make them any smarter, son.
The technology still isnt in place..
Utter crap. It's there, but they don't want to use it. Stop kissing the asses of corporate America, Josh. They can do it, but with Bush in the White House, they'll never be forced to do the right thing.
Again, what you propose would make Hitler and Goebbles proud, Jcs, and that's tragic and dangerous. We've survived for 200 years before 9/11,and before Iraq, and before Bill Clinton, and we'll continue to do so, and we don't need, nor do we require your draconian, dare I say, fascist steps to make this into the most hated nation the world has ever seen. Because, given your way, that's what you'd do.