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Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 7:27 am

This topic is bound to create plenty of controversy but I want to see what people would think about taking Israeli type security measures at North American airports. We all know 9/11 was successful as we all know because of a breach of security in the United States but I don't think Canadian security is much better. So my question is. Would the people of North America be willing to sacrifice some of their freedoms to have an almost impossible to breach security in the airports, seaports, and borders hence throwing political correctness out of the window? This would be very expensive to do large scale but I believe the US is probably the only country to pull it off large scale. Tell me what you think.
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airworthy
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 7:37 am

I don't think the issue would be racial profiling, if you want to build a "fortress defense". The biggest issue would be cost pure and simple, and it will be pretty tough to do in these economic issues.

 
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 7:50 am

No, we will not give up one more freedom for safety.
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:47 am

Way too expensive and the ACLU would be all over it too.
 
KROC
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:19 am

Nope, but if it meant the end of the ACLU, I would deal with it.  Big grin
 
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:24 am

I hate to tell you, KROC, that if the ACLU weren't around, despite all our prostestations of them notwithstanding, the government, be it under Democrat or Republican, would run over personal liberties. Such is the nature of government.
 
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:50 am

Alpha 1. From www.dictionary.com


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adjective

1. supposed to be funny: intended to be humorous but often silly or inappropriate


2. not in earnest: not to be taken seriously
a facetious suggestion


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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:51 am

I think you were only being PARTLY funny. A lot in all of us wishes that sometimes.  Smile
 
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:54 am

Alpha 1. Fa-cet-ious

'Nuff said. I'm not clueless like say certain rabid right wingers on here...notably of the 300 series variety.

[Edited 2003-08-23 02:58:45]
 
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:57 am

'Nuff said. I'm not clueless like say certain rabid right winders on her...notably of the 300 series variety.

Damn, I have no idea who that could be. Also, how about the '17 Series?  Big grin
 
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:24 pm

I hate to tell you, KROC, that if the ACLU weren't around, despite all our prostestations of them notwithstanding, the government, be it under Democrat or Republican, would run over personal liberties. Such is the nature of government.

Agree - But why is it that the ACLU only likes to defend certain amendments? Ignoring the whole right to bear arms debate (before you start, I don't agree with an unrestricted right to bear arms), why does the ACLU believe that federal judiciary action is the panacea to all its grievances? It seems to me that many of the ACLU's positions run directly in conflict with the ninth and tenth amendments.

I really believe that we are witnessing federalism growing out of control.
 
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:26 pm

Americans would never tolorate it.

But I do agree with some of the policies of Isreal, like requiring troops on leave to carry their weapons with them.
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:03 pm

Americans would tollerate it after enough of them have been killed.
Israel puts up with it because they know the alternative is having hundreds of their countrymen killed every day by terrorists.
I have to hope Americans aren't so selfish that they put their own petty comforts over that and continue to protest having to pass through a metal detector when airliners start blowing up at a rate of 5-10 a day over their country.
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:58 am

Hell, I don't deny my American-ness, but I'm half tempted to move to Iceland as it is. Ahhh, a government and population small enough to actually function together.
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:31 am

I agree with Jwenting - I'm pretty certain anyone, whatever their nationality, would be more than willing to put up with constant security checks if they knew they were 100% legitimate targets for 1000s of would-be currently active and furious suicide bombers living in the state next door.

Either that, or they would just leave the country.

Sane Israelis and Palestinians, imo, don't really have an choice anyway.
 
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RE: Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?

Sun Aug 24, 2003 12:42 pm

How was what happened on 9/11 a security breach? Box cutters were not prohibited items at the time. The security didnt fail that day,it acted as it was supposed to. /rant off. No,Americans would not stand for Israeli type security here.

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