Alessandro
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Brazilian Space Programme

Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:39 pm

First I would like to say, rest in peace to the ones who lost their lives in the recent rocket accident in Brazil.
Secondly I would say that the Brazilian should scrap their space base and move up north to French Guyana and get the help of ESA and the Russians
to get their space programme going.
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:23 pm

Was anyone here surprised to find that Brazil even had a space programme?
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 2:00 am

I think Brazil is a wonderful country with some of the best, warmest and most passionate people in the world. However, the country is obsessed with the notion of becoming major global power, especially under this new guy Lula (though in all fairness, he’s starting to have a more realistic approach to governing compared to his election campaign rhetoric). Now, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, but considering all the problems over there, they really need to get their priorities fixed before they should focus on space adventures, which I think is remarkable in itself.

Brazil is a country with enormous potential and I could see it becoming a major power under the right direction. Let’s hope they get this soon enough.

It’s been a bad week for Brazil – first Sergio Vieira is killed and now they have this accident.
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:34 am

Was anyone here surprised to find that Brazil even had a space programme?

I know I was.
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:12 am

I'm Brazilian and I was surprised to learn that we have a space program!  Smile
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:41 am

Yeah I too was suprised to learn they HAD a space program.

They have millions of homeless people living way way below the poverty line, but can afford to invest money into a space program  Nuts  Nuts

Even the UK doesn't have it's own space program and it is one of the richest nations on Earth.

They should be focusing on getting their own country sorted out first before trying to blast off into space !!.

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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:51 am

They probably looked at it that way: If we succeed, we'll be able to offer cheap space transportation to anyone who needs it, and can earn lots of money. But it doesn't seem to work, sadly.
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:01 am

I too was suprised that Brazil had a space programme, even more suprising is that CHINA and INDIA have joined the space race!
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:03 am

Yeah, because China and India don't have better things to spend money on.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:16 am

If it is private companies that are spending the money, then so be it - that is their choice, but if it is the Government spending public money, what right do they have to be wasting it when they could be doing so much more to help their own people live a better life ?.

If the Governments invested more in their own nations first to help combat poverty and provide jobs, maybe then the people of those nations would have money to spend thus attracting the large global companies to invest more money into the nations.

Surely that would bring in more cash than a space program !.

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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:24 am

Yeah, because China and India don't have better things to spend money on.

I know how India could spend their space money wisely-send Roy on a one-way trip to the moon. That would be taxpayers money put to good use!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:29 am

Ahhh my man ALpha 1. It is good to be on the same side of an argument with you. Even if it is rare these days  Big grin  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:41 am

While it's humane to disapprove of some nations still with grinding poverty spending on stuff like this, consider if they'd never spent anything 30 years ago on some government aircraft metal bashing operation called Embraer.
And can the US say with it's hand on it's heart that when they were building up their science and industry in the 19th and 20th centuries, that they did not have huge swathes of have nots in their society?
Same with the UK during the industrial revolution, even more so in fact.

And yes I knew Brazil had satellite launching ambitions.
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 11:16 am

So Brazil is developing a manned space program or unmanned? Brazil has a hand in the construction of the ISS(International space station), they are building one of the modules.
 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 12:39 pm

Many posts on this thread display a lot of ignorance of what a properly focused space program can do, even for poor countries. I can't speak for Brazil, but let me give you an idea what India's space program is capable of and why it is useful, and why *I* believe its worth the $450 million we spend annually on it:

India has the capability to design and build telecommunications, meteorological and remote sensing satellites on its own, and to launch all but the biggest ones on our own heavy lifters, the PSLV and GSLV, which are roughly in the class of the Delta-II rockets the US has, i.e. capable of sending 1-2.5 ton payloads into GTO, or 5 ton payloads into sun-synchronous orbits. In addition to our own satellites, these launchers have also sent German, Belgian and Korean satellites into orbit.

Now onto why its useful - in India's case, the INSAT telecommunications satellites bring telephone connectivity to farflung rural areas, enabling farmers to remain in touch with wholesale buyers in the towns & cities. Transponders on these satellites are also rented out to private broadcasters cashing in on the growing TV-viewership, earning us millions in rental fees and easily covering the low developmental costs.

India builds some of the best commercial remote sensing satellites in the world - the IRS-series sats with a 1-metre resolution, whose data enables agricultural & geological agencies to determine which regions of the country are suitable for farming, or mining of minerals, in addition to assisting fishermen and meteorologists.

Data of this sort is a HUGE 'force multiplier' for a country like India that needs every little bit of it to harness its resources to feed its large population. The same probably applies to Brazil. Having spent my undergraduate years in a university very closely tied to the space program, I (briefly) had a chance to see first hand the kind of data these satellites generate, and how helpful it is.

Further, the spinoffs from the effort help develop a robust domestic scientific and industrial capabillity that can assist the country's economic growth. Finally, as in the case of IT and software, we earn money from this, whether its by launching others' satellites, building it and launching it for them, selling transponders on our own satellites, or selling high-resolution photographs and remote sensing data.
 
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Brazil's Space Programme

Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:03 pm

 
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:16 am

Brazil could make money off of its Space Program. Launch facilities closer to the Equator would be desirable. Rockets would need less fuel, etc. The reasons were summed up in an MSNBC.com article I read.

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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:55 pm

Personally I´m not against that countries spend money on space programs
(the USSR and PRC had low living standard still spent amazing amount of money during the 1960ies on their space programs).
The thing is that they should realize that joining up with ESA (Russians will
start to launch some of their rockets their soon) in French Guyana and close
their space base.
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:13 pm


I don't see a problem in the Brazilian space program. It exists for years. They are developing a vehicle, and the technology can have military as well as civilian uses.

They can use the vehicle to launch satellites and make money.

They will use the technology to develop their cruise missile program, which is supposed to allow for the production of cruise missiles to be used on the future nuclear submarines.

In the end the 1960's and beginning 1970's EMBRAER was created with the objective of creating a Brazilian aeronautics industry.

At the time, the thinking heads of Europe and America said, that the Brazilian had to many problems and they should spend the money in much more useful things like feeding people and giving them houses. After all, producing airplanes was a field where the Americans and the Europeans would always have the lead. And some of them have bet Brazil would be unable to make something that could actually fly.

"...They will put too much samba and dancing into the project - Their planes will never fly, they will have a tendency to dance instead..."

many of those thinking heads, or their children, travel using Embraer jets and turboprops in America and in Europe.

I am absolutely sure that in thirty years (maybe much less) current thinking heads will be surfing the web or watching Web-TV - or whatever technology it will be - using satellites made by the Brazilian and or placed in space by Brazilian vehicles.

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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:15 am

I am absolutely sure that in thirty years (maybe much less) current thinking heads will be surfing the web or watching Web-TV - or whatever technology it will be - using satellites made by the Brazilian and or placed in space by Brazilian vehicles.

And I truly hope your right. Brasil is one of my favorite countries in the world and I would like nothing more for it to succeed and prosper. I hate to see a country with as much potential as it has waste it.

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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:27 am

The Brazillian space program is a spinoff (or maybe a cover) from their research into ballistic missiles which started in the 1970s when Brazil was interested in creating nuclear weapons to counter possible invasion from neighbouring Argentina (and possibly Chile).

They have so far put up a few small satelites, mainly comm-sats for domestic use.
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RE: Brazilian Space Programme

Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:01 am

I'll add myself to the list of those that didn't realise Brazil even had a space program. As more and more countries get the ability to launch rockets into space, it allows greater worldwide competition amongst the various agencies to get contracts.

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