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Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Fri Aug 29, 2003 10:22 am

Seems that California's Lt. Governor has a few skeletons in his closet. Apparently, he was a member of this hispanic student movement called MEChA while attending college at Fresno State. MEChA is known for using violence in the past and they are known to push racist views. Busmamante says he still supports this group and refuses to renounce his past ties to them.

Instead, Bustamante, who is running to be governor of California, praised the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, or MEChA (search), and said he still supports it.

"The students who are in MEChA today are just like the students when I was there, pretty much they are trying to get an education," Bustamante said during a press conference in which the first three questions related to his ties to the group.

"I think the actuality of what takes place in those organizations is to provide student leadership. For me, and many, many others, we were running for student government. That's how I got here today."

MEChA has used violence in the past to make its case. At a July 4 celebration in 1996, members of the group, who call themselves Mechistas, were videotaped attacking black and white Americans protesting illegal immigration. In 1993, students at UCLA caused $500,000 worth of damage during protests to demand a Chicano studies department. MEChA has also been associated with anti-Semitic groups like Nation of Aztlan.

MEChA's motto is "for the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing." Critics say affiliation with that kind of group could spell political ruin for a white candidate and are upset that little attention has been paid to Bustamante's relationship with the group. He belonged to MEChA while attending Fresno State University in the 1970s.

 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 1:17 am



He won't renounce the origination, which could be called a Latino KKK group.
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 1:31 am

Hmmmm...interesting. MEChA is an extremist group, we actually have a chapter on campus, they basically hate anyone who isnt Hispanic. For Bustamante not to renounce his ties with this group could spell trouble and its completely stupid. All the GOP has to do is describe MEChA and their actions and I'm sure many would see Bustamante in a different light.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:06 am

How many Whites have Mecha killed?  Confused


I am not Hispanic and I have friends that belong to Mecha. I've even dated a girl in Mecha years ago in college. I never felt any hatred from the organization.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:09 am

Hey guys, Superfly has never had any problems with MEChA, so obviously there is nothing wrong with them.  Insane
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:12 am

I wish it was all so easy, Josh. Unfortunately, the media seem more preoccupied -- and offended -- by Arnold's father's Nazi past then Busamante's racist past and (possibly) present. They're really doing California voters a disservice.

[Edited 2003-08-29 19:14:34]
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:24 am

How many people have Mecha killed compared to the Nazis?  Confused




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I guess you have a point. Everybody loves Superfly!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:27 am

Ouch, I hate those effective redirects!  Big grin
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:28 am

"How many people have Mecha killed compared to the Nazis?"

Checkpoint, Mate.

But it still doesn't solve the issue of ties to a loutish organization.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:38 am

How many people have Mecha killed compared to the Nazis?

That's hardly relevant in this case. Arnold himself was never a Nazi; Busamante is a racist and has personal ties to a racist organization. Hasn't he used disparaging terms on blacks?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/2001-02-06-wickham.htm
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:43 am

Mr. Stabbin:
I remember when this happened. Politicians seem to be getting away with saying all sorts of offensive garbage. I think Cruz Bustamante's actions carries more weight than a poor choice of words at a speech.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:54 am

Sort of like Trent Lott saying "Barney Fag," aint it?

Didn't see no republicans getting all ornery about that?

In any case, how can any politician be so plumb stupid to use the N-word in a public speech? Unless it was used in context to disparage those who use the word.

Bustamante is a bust.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:05 am

It was DickArmy (R-TX) that made the 'fag' comment.
Trent Lott was the one who praised Strom Thurmond's overtly racist campaign of 1948. Robert Byrd (D-WV)used a poor choice of words in an interview once as well. Conrad Burns (R-MT) joked with a guy who also used the 'N' word as well.
All of these politicians managed to keep there jobs after such garbage.

[Edited 2003-08-29 20:09:04]
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:29 am

Simply put:
Bustamonte: Current and unapologetic member of racist group
Arnold: Never a member of racist group and apologetic for his family's participation in events that occured before he was born.
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:38 am

Simply put:
Racist ties will not stick to either candidate. Since when are Republicans so concerned about tolorance any way?
What matters is who can solve this budget mess? Who has the magic wand to fix this mess with out raising taxes?

Maybe voters will realize that we are better off keeping Gray Davis.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past And Present.

Sat Aug 30, 2003 5:33 am


The Hispanic group's motto is : For the Bronze skinned people everything, for the non-bronzed skin people nothing.

Add to that the use of the "n" word more then once in a speech in the past and I doubt he will appeal to non-Hispanics.

There are at least 3 better names on the ballot then Davis.
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:04 am

North County:
There are at least 3 better names on the ballot then Davis.

I agree!
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:31 am

Hey Superfly, I don't disagree with you one bit in terms of what is really important for your state.

However, the media needs force Bustamante's hand like they would "hog-tie" any Republican that might have similar credentials as Cruz. His membership and/or association with this group is totally unacceptable in this day and age.
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:57 am

Here is an interesting article from a Republican about this Mecha story.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/29/MN61502.DTL

It's bizarre to assume this is some kind of radical group, seeking to overthrow part of the United States," said Mike Madrid , who has worked on Latino affairs for the state Republican Party. "It was part of the Brown Beret and Chicano studies movement, but it's mainly a social group and has been for years. To suggest it's involved in paramilitary training or some underhanded conspiracy is ludicrous."



However, the media needs force Bustamante's hand like they would "hog-tie" any Republican

That's because some Republicans play the race card to win over White voters particularly in the Deep South. Some of there lagislation and campaigns have racist undertones and that's why a Republican would have been 'hog-tied'.

I know people in Mecha and they are good people striving for an eduaction. Nothing more.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 7:13 am

Since when have Republicans cared about tolorance.. what a bunch of liberal BS.


The republican party has done alot for the black population I think, like getting them a hell of alot of rights. Remember when the democrats were the blacks worst nightmare?
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 7:34 am

N312RC:
Maybe I should have wrote; "Since when are Republicans so concerned about tolorance in the past 70 years "

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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 7:47 am

ah yes, it may be a long time but they did help to get you some real fundamental things.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 7:51 am

ah yes, it may be a long time but they did help to get you some real fundamental things.

Wow you sound kind of bitter. You don't feel you benefit as well?
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sat Aug 30, 2003 12:28 pm

I dont, in this land of affirmative action I simply dont.



Its tough bein a white male American nowadays.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:04 am

I'm amazed that people are actually arguing over whether Arnold's father's past or Bustamante's MEChA past.

Bustamante, Schwarzenegger, and Davis are all obscenely unqualified for the highest office in our state. All three of them are assholes and I won't vote for any of them.

You people arguing over who is worse are doing exactly what Gray Davis wants you to do. While you argue about Bustamante and Schwarzenegger, you forget that there actually is a recall election going on, and the worst possible thing happens, which is Davis stays in office.

This is a complete lose-lose situation for California. Either we keep the most corrupt governor in the history of our state in office, or we choose between a couple of completely worthless politicians. One wants the highest state tax increase in the history of the state (I don't care about the MEChA thing or the hypocrites who are making it a big deal), the other is a B-movie actor who doesn't know the first goddamn thing about politics, much less righting the budget of a state that is bleeding red ink.

We're f*cked.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:29 am

I agree with DeltaSFO, but there is one candidate in this recall that I would vote for, Tom McClintock.

He's the only person who has a clear idea of what needs to be done, and he is a veteran state politician.

But all said and done, I think Bustamante will be the next governor of California. Arnold is falling way behind in the polls, and I think Davis will be recalled.
 
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:28 am

N312RC:
Its tough bein a white male American nowadays.

You can't possibly be serious.  Insane



DeltaSFO:
I agree with you partially. I thinks it's silly to argue if Cruz and Arnold is worse than the others. I don't think Davis is as corupt as you paint him. I am not a big fan of Davis but I think he is way better that the two previous governors.
I see no major scandal from Davis to justify this recall. More and more people are realizing this and that's why support for the recall is dropping.
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RE: Cruz Busamante's Racist Past

Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:40 am

"Its tough bein a white male American nowadays."

You can't be serious now, can you? Try being a man (or woman) of color. Then try running for President - and winning - as a man (or woman) of color.

Last time I checked, white males were doing just fine. Maybe its just tough being a stupid white male American nowadays.

"The republican party has done alot for the black population I think, like getting them a hell of alot of rights. Remember when the democrats were the blacks worst nightmare?"

When? Under Lincoln? That was a different Republican party. And remember that those Democrats who were the black's worst nightmare are all republicans now. Ever heard of the Southern strategy?

That having been said, I sent my check to Arnold for Governor. At least he isn't a politician speaking in tawdry euphemisms.
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