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Two Questions About Former Colonies

Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:54 pm

1. Why did Brits immigrate to some English colonies (South Africa, Australia etc) and not to others? Why did they prefer the above two?

2. Why are former European colonies in Asia/South America much more successful than ones in Africa?
 
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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:07 pm

9V-SVE, Brits actually immigrated to all the colonies. In Hong Kong, Zimbabwe, etc. there are expatriate communities. Also, because colonies in America were colonised before (Canada), there were more immigration. As for Australia, UK exiled their criminals there, thus white population quickly surpassed local one, since locals lived very scarcely. In African colonies there are less expatriates, since they were colonised later. South AFrica is different, because it was before colonisation controlled by Dutch (Cape colony), and there were already some expatriates. Later these Dutch expatriates created new states, Transvaal and Orange Free State. All later incorporated in South African Union. Of course, English also then immigrated and thus there are more whites than in other colonies. Also, apartheid didn't allowed to mix them with local blacks. But currently there are 12% whites in South Africa, thus, not so much.

As for African colonies, not only English ones, but also French, Belgian, Spanish, Portugal, German (before WW1) ones in sub-saharran Africa are unsuccesful. South Africa was more succesful, whites ruled there all the time until 90s, but now economy heads down also crime skyrocketed. Every black ruled state (including those in Carribean) is more or less poor. White (Australia, Canada) or Asian (Malaysia, Hong Kong) colonies lives better (there are poor white and asian states too mostly because unsuccsesful communist experiments, etc., but most still progresses or will progress when bad government is removed (North Korea)). Not sure why is it so. Some (racists) says this is because blacks are worse then whites, however I think that probably there are more reasons, like artificial boundaries set by Europeans in Africa, and this when united with African tribalism may force civil wars. But even small countries with dominating groups aren't rich though...
 
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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:30 pm

Yes I know that Brits immigrated to most of their colonies, but the question was why the percentage of whites in S. Africa & Australia were much larger than in other colonies.

Thanks for the answer  Smile
 
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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:48 pm

Errrrrr,

Too many rumours went around about what a great place the :

GREAT SOUTHERN LAND

was....

So Australia got heaps of non convict movers - and still does.

Singapore is an Island state of Australia. We created it.

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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:20 pm

In African colonies there are less expatriates, since they were colonised later.
? Later than when Sonic? - I think it's probably more to do with a combination of factors such as accessibility to the local natural resources, climate, level of resistance from the indigenous inhabitants, the effectiveness and quality of the local colonial management, competition from other colonial powers, the current state of affairs in Europe, and such like.

Singapore is an Island state of Australia. We created it.

That's why Perth is known as South Singapore, Mx5

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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:34 pm

The vast overwhelming majority of British emigrants migrated to North America. Over 100M North Americans have British background vs only 2-3M South Africans and perhaps 15M Australians.

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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Sat Aug 30, 2003 1:06 am

PerthGloryFan, I meant later than North America. While in Canada and USA Great Britain had huge territories, in Africa (with the exception of Cape colony) they at start had only coastal cities under control, while Africa itself was not colonised. It was fully colonised only in late XIX century (excluding Ethiopia and Liberia). Boers were only defeated in early XX century.
 
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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:03 am

"2. Why are former European colonies in Asia/South America much more successful than ones in Africa?"

Colonization in South America was also synonymous with immigration to the continent, as opposed to Africa (other than Rhodesia and South Africa) where colonization was a means for temporary expatriates to extract wealth.

The continent of Africa and its inhabitants were treated the worst by all colonizers. Africa was primarily a source for natural resources (Gold, minerals, oil), and its people the primary currency in the global slave trade.
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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:02 am

The continent of Africa and its inhabitants were treated the worst by all colonizers. Africa was primarily a source for natural resources (Gold, minerals, oil), and its people the primary currency in the global slave trade.

The majority of Africans were not affected by colonization. Africa was a hunter/gather/subsistence farming environment before colonization and remains so after.

As for the slave trade: as reprehensible as it was, African tribal leaders were as complicit & cooperative as were the white slave traders themselves.

I would argue that the biggest colonial faux pas was the division of country/national borders after they left which ignored tribal divisions.

Anyway, most of Africa has been free of colonization for 30+ years......it's time for Africans to solve African problems.


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RE: Two Questions About Former Colonies

Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:15 pm

"As for the slave trade: as reprehensible as it was, African tribal leaders were as complicit & cooperative as were the white slave traders themselves."

True. And lets not forget the Arab slave traders too. But the point here isn't who's to blame but that the treatment of Africa by its colonizers was very different than, say, Australia or Brazil. And far more exploitative.
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