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US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:37 pm

I cannot believe that this can happen in this day and age. I don't care how old the girl was, if he did not kill her then there is NO grounds for death...

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/31/national/31EXEC.html?ex=1062907200&en=819f357e0bcf5e6c&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:47 pm

Rape can be a horrible experience. It can change a person for life. This girl may never live a normal life, especially due to the fact that it happened at this young of an age. I'm glad the guy got death, more rapists should.
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:49 pm

How can we justify the death penalty in a non-murder case? How far shall we regress?
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:50 pm

I don't know man, I am very very very against rape. The person who got raped is scared for life, they are lucky if their life isn't ruined. I definantly think anyone who rapes someone deserves to get their balls ripped off. Death? I don't know. I have mixed feelings about it.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:52 pm

Balls ripped off? Yeah, I can go for that (surgical castration) if there is a DNA semen match and signes of forcible rape/beating and only on minors. Death? No way.
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:56 pm

Raping another person while totally detestable and wrong, it does not justify capital punishment
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:59 pm

In truth, if tis man is executed, I feel the state (and allthose participating) murdered him. Both morally and leagally I feel it is wrong to kill those who did not kill others. This includes arplane hijackers (the traditional kind) who do not kill anyone...
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:09 pm

The Supreme Court has prohibited the death penalty in cases of rape over a certain age, either 16 or 18 I think, but has never ruled on whether or not it can be used in cases when the victim is younger. This will probably end up before the Court and the idiots will cite European law or law from some God forsaken place to rule it unconstitutional like they did this last Court term.

Personally, I say fry the guy and then the world will be better off. That kind of scum doesn't deserve to live.
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Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:17 pm

He raped an innocent 8 year old girl.

Kill him. No remorse, just kill him
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:58 pm

Personally, I think rape is worse than murder, and much more deserving the death penalty. At least the victim of murder doesn't have to live with the horror for decades on like a rape victim.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:17 pm

Flyboy, every one of your posts here have not really given a rubttal to anyone's argument, and is jsut you reiterating your opinion.

If you're so close-minded to debate, why even psot this and reply?
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:54 pm

Just put him in Jail, we all know how well child molestors get treated in prison...
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:18 pm

He raped an innocent 8 year old girl.

Kill him. No remorse, just kill him


And descend to his level in the process? No way. Send him off to prison as VonRichtofen said. I'd rather he sit in a dark room every day for the rest of his life suffering for what he's done rather than just ending it all. Capital punishment is the easy way out.

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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:48 pm

Isn't there a rule/law in the US that states that the sentence has to match the crime (ie. like they guy who got life for stealing 3 VHS tapes)?

I'd much rather see this guy in jail for life instead on death row where it'll end quickly & human (unless, naturally, he goes for the gas chamber).
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:51 pm

You people and your grotesque want to kill people! God, what is wrong with you people?

He raped her. A horrible crime, no doubt. He should spend a lot of years in prision, and, if ever released, under these draconian laws we have now, he'll never have a moment of peace in his life. But even under "an eye for an eye", it's a joke to pass down a sentence of death for a crime where murder did not happen.

I think, fortunately, this one will be overturned, but it shows how extreme some of our courts-and many of our people-are getting about crime. Put your balls back in your pants, chill, and let's get an appropriated sentence for this mutt. But killing him SOLVES NOTHING!
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:27 pm

It's not the first time he committed a horrible crime. Nevertheless, I think the judge wanted to make him an example and sentenced him to dead, knowing that it's more than likely that he will leave the death row after a habeas corpus review of his case. It's partially an expression of his feeling rather than a verdict.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:47 pm

Death for rape? It's a horrible crime but there are other horrible crimes. What about death for drinking and driving? What about death for libel and slander? - after all the poor victim has to live with the effects for life!

What about death for the emotional damage every time another CEO lays off thousands of people...and then gives himself a bonus and a new yatch? Isn't that just as serious as rape? Should the Enron board be executed?
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:06 pm

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You people and your grotesque want to kill people! God, what is wrong with you people?

He raped her. A horrible crime, no doubt. He should spend a lot of years in prision, and, if ever released, under these draconian laws we have now, he'll never have a moment of peace in his life. But even under "an eye for an eye", it's a joke to pass down a sentence of death for a crime where murder did not happen.

I think, fortunately, this one will be overturned, but it shows how extreme some of our courts-and many of our people-are getting about crime. Put your balls back in your pants, chill, and let's get an appropriated sentence for this mutt. But killing him SOLVES NOTHING!

Sure it does, it ensures this POS never rapes someone elses 8 year old daughter ever again.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:16 pm

While I have no feelings either way about the capital punishment sentence in this case, my experience with prison populations is that a high profile case like this will virtually ensure that he won't survive long enough to be executed anyway.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:01 pm

Half the people here were happy when the ex-priest John Geoghan was murdered in prison, after he had alleged raped children. Now you have the death penalty for child rape and are upset? Did you know all chargers were drop after he died, another strange law in Massachusetts since he died before the appeals were heard.

I still think El Salvador has the death penalty for drinking and driving.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:25 am

Just an observation ... as there is such a diversity of opinion among just a handful of members of an obscure forum, imagine the diversity of opinion among nearly 300 million Americans on the issue of the death penalty. The Constitution only says that people cannot be sentenced to "cruel and unusual" punishment, which implies that the punishment should fit the crime. But adults harming children is viewed by many as the ultimate crime.

Does executing bad criminals make us as bad as the criminals themselves? Well, it's easy to say that from a distance. But would your opinion still be the same if the rape victim were your own 8 year old daughter?

If you don't have a young child, think of some child close to you being raped by an escaped convict, a murderer, no less.

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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:31 am

You know, I could see life in prison if it was his FIRST time.. But this is not that, he has done it before, and if he is not taken from this world where he should not be, he WILL do it again!!! My god..

Alpha 1, I have no desire to kill people or whatnot, but in cases like this, I totally agree and would like to pull the trigger or whatever. I have alot of friends who are rape victims, their ages (when it happened) varied, and some, now even 20 or 25 years later or more are STILL scared to death because of it. Keep looking over their shoulder, can't let anyone get close and have any kind of relationship with them becuase they are too scared to let their guard down, etc.. I think he should be put to death as soon as possible, to rid one more of his kind from the street..

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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:25 am

While I have no feelings either way about the capital punishment sentence in this case, my experience with prison populations is that a high profile case like this will virtually ensure that he won't survive long enough to be executed anyway.
How true that is  Smile

You know, I could see life in prison if it was his FIRST time.. But this is not that, he has done it before, and if he is not taken from this world where he should not be, he WILL do it again!!! My god.
Even if I was to agree that since it wasn't his first time he should die (I don')cle mentions ANOTHER man, not him, as being the repeat offender. The article does not mention prior convictions of this person.


 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 2:39 am

If you don't like the law in Louisiana, then stay out of Louisiana!
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 3:37 am

Jhooper,

Unlike your mind, it's not quite that simple. This is about the whole country, not just Louisiana. Think about it, if that can happen there, it can happen anywhere. And wat about for other crimes? It's all a morality call after all, what's to stop them from executing a man for Jaywalking??? And don't tell me to stay out of America if I don't like the law bacause America is about change....
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 3:39 am

Whilst rape is a terrible crime, and child rape even worse, I do not believe the death penalty should apply as there are worse crimes (murder etc). Having said that however, some countries execute drug smugglers etc, a crime no worse than rape.

All I can say is that if I had been that poor little girl's father, the death sentence would have been irrelevant - that guy would NOT have made it to court. And I would happily have been sentenced to death for murder for disposing of the b*stard.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 4:26 am

If I ran things my way rapists would get death 100% of the time. I thought about this more. 8 years old is completely sickening. Sit his ass in the chair and pull the lever. If an 18 year old or 30 year old gets raped, they still have to live with it for x amount of years. All rapists should be executed... As someone stated earlier, a person who got murdered does not have to live with the horrific things that has happend. Many people who have been raped, kill themselves because it keeps haunting them.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 4:40 am

You people and your grotesque want to kill people! God, what is wrong with you people?

He raped her. A horrible crime, no doubt. He should spend a lot of years in prision, and, if ever released, under these draconian laws we have now, he'll never have a moment of peace in his life. But even under "an eye for an eye", it's a joke to pass down a sentence of death for a crime where murder did not happen.

I think, fortunately, this one will be overturned, but it shows how extreme some of our courts-and many of our people-are getting about crime.


I find myself agreeing with Alpha 1 on this one. While I firmly believe in capital punishment, I think it's abhorrent to consider the death penalty in cases where murder did not occur.

What this man did is horrific, no doubt, and he needs to be locked away for as many years as the law allows.

But it's absolutely unconscionable to sentence him to death for a crime that, while brutal and cruel, did NOT result in someone's death.

On a side note, I feel that our system unfairly continues the punishment of sex offenders even AFTER they've paid their debt to society. Once anyone (even a sex offender) completes their sentence, they should not have to continue to pay for their crime in the form of surrendering their right to privacy, registering and checking in with local police and communities, etc.

I mean, does a convicted shoplifter have to register with every Circle K and 7-11 in the neighborhood once they've done their time?

At some point, the punishment has to end.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 4:43 am

Just let him loose in the prison population.

What about death for the emotional damage every time another CEO lays off thousands of people...and then gives himself a bonus and a new yatch? Isn't that just as serious as rape?

You cannot be serious 777236ER. You equate rape with layoffs?????????

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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 4:46 am

Because either way, the victim gets screwed.

I personally think that the Board of governors should be shot.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 5:41 am

An 8 year old?? This guy is sick... if not death, give him solitary for 100 years.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:02 am

No matter what the sentence, it was a death sentence for this guy regardless. The most hated prisoners are child molestors and child killers. If they survive their sentence, they're lucky.
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:51 am

You cannot be serious 777236ER. You equate rape with layoffs?????????

Why not? Laying off thousands of people destroys the lives of those people.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:12 am

If I ran things my way rapists would get death 100% of the time.

Gee, stop the presses on that one. AA61hvy, you'd like to give the death penalty to some guy who stole a Snickers at Convenient, that's how conservative you are on this issue. I believe you when you say that-more's the pity, and less is your humanity, in my estimation.

Any bets this prosecutor will try to make his name in politics based on this case? Of course he will. If this man dies, he's just a stepping stone for this prosecutor, and his death will do NOTHING to discourage the act, just as the death penalty has done NOTHING to decrease the murder rate.

So keep your want for blood, AA61hvy. I'm sure it makes you feel like a real man, but it makes you less human, in my view, and will do nothing to solve the problem.
 
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:04 am

You cannot be serious 777236ER. You equate rape with layoffs?????????

Why not? Laying off thousands of people destroys the lives of those people.


So, mass layoffs in your mind as reprehensible as the rape of an 8yo girl? Well, luckily society does not agree with you. That is a remarkable value system you have.

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Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:09 am

Tell me why the rape of one person is worse than a CEO laying off thousands of people in the pursuit of dividends?
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:37 am

Tell me why the rape of one person is worse than a CEO laying off thousands of people in the pursuit of dividends?

You're kidding, right? Tell me you're not seriously comparing the two.

M'kay, well, aside from the fact that rape is illegal while a CEO laying off employees is not, people who are laid off can find other jobs.

However, you cannot UN-rape a person.  Insane

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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:39 am

While I would love to see him tortured for life in prison, but I just dont want my tax dollars to go to keeping a man like this alive. Kill him and end his reign on my wallet.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:39 am

Tell me why the rape of one person is worse than a CEO laying off thousands of people in the pursuit of dividends?

Maybe you should ask your wife or daughter or mother or sister.
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Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:43 am

Whether a person is reemployed or not isn't the issue, after all a person can be counseled after a rape. The issue is whether it's worse to rape someone than it is to lay off thousands of people in the pursuit of dividends.

Maybe you should ask your wife or daughter or mother or sister

While they wouldn't like to be raped, I bet they wouldn't like living below the poverty line either.
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Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:50 am

The issue is whether it's worse to rape someone than it is to lay off thousands of people in the pursuit of dividends.

And I think we've made it abundantly clear that it is, in fact, MUCH WORSE to rape someone than to lay off thousands of people.

While I don't doubt that you'll retort that it is only my opinion, I'll reiterate that the law is pretty clear on rape. It's also pretty clear that layoffs are totally legal.

So, it's safe to say that the law totally agrees with my opinion.
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Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:56 am

So tell me why rape is so much worse than laying off thousands of people in search of dividends?!

"The law is on my side" or "they can get new jobs" aren't answers.
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Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:57 am

after all a person can be counseled after a rape.

Ohhh......my.......gawd.....

Well that just makes it all better, doesn't it.  Insane

How 'bout this, we'll get a couple of people to hold you down while some big' ole hoss with a gigantic hawg plows you up the arse. Then you can get counseling and it'll be alllll better; like it never happened. Right?

You've gotta be bullshiting us just to get us all worked up! There's no way a sane individual can compare someone being raped, and an 8 year old girl at that, to someone losing their job.

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Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:00 am

So tell me why rape is so much worse than laying off thousands of people in search of dividends?!

C'mon now, you're reasonably intelligent, right? I'm sure even you can see how ludicrous your argument is.

I think at this point you're pulling an "Argument Clinic" scenario and simply being argumentative for the sake of doing so.
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Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:01 am

How 'bout this, we'll get a couple of people to hold you down while some big' ole hoss with a gigantic hawg plows you up the arse. Then you can get counseling and it'll be alllll better; like it never happened. Right?

How 'bout this, we'll get our yatch-sailing CEO to lay you (and 2000 other people) off because the dividend to the godly shareholders has dropped. With your wife also losing her job to "budget cuts", your family complete with 2 year old kid has no income. Living well below the poverty line, you exist on food stamps, desperatly trying to find work - any work - as you lose your house, car, wife and even access to your child. Then you can (eventually) get another job and it'll be allll better; like it never happened. Right?
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Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:02 am

C'mon now, you're reasonably intelligent, right? I'm sure even you can see how ludicrous your argument is.

Well WHY? Come on, if it's so blindly obvious, tell me why rape is worse than a CEO laying thousands of people off for the pursuit of dividends?!
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Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:21 am

How 'bout this, we'll get our yatch-sailing CEO

Unless there's some new toy for the rich called a "yatch," color me mistaken about saying you're reasonably intelligent.  Insane

Well WHY? Come on, if it's so blindly obvious, tell me why rape is worse than a CEO laying thousands of people off for the pursuit of dividends?!

Well, aside from the fact that rape is a crime while layoffs aren't, rape absolutely ROBS someone of their dignity. Layoffs are painful, but you don't completely lose your dignity as a result.

Besides, with rape comes physiological and psychological trauma that is far worse than the impact of job loss. It stays with the victim forever, scarring them emotionally (and physically, in some cases), whereas job loss seldom affects people so profoundly.

Also, rape victims typically develop a severe mistrust of members of whatever sex their attacker was, which in many cases prevents them from ever having intimate relations with people again.

The "trauma" of being laid-off seldom results in the employee being so terrified of layoffs that they never seek a job again!

These should have been pretty self-evident, but if you can't understand these concepts, seek professional help. Seriously.

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Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:30 am

Unless there's some new toy for the rich called a "yatch," color me mistaken about saying you're reasonably intelligent.

It's 2.23am here and I'm still working finishing a really boring report, won't you forgive me for one spelling mistake?

rape absolutely ROBS someone of their dignity. Layoffs are painful, but you don't completely lose your dignity as a result.

But how do you know that? I'm not trying to be a prick here, rape is absolutely horrible. But to a lot of people, getting laid off would result in a complete loss of dignity. Not only that, but the potential to lose a lot of other things too.

Besides, with rape comes physiological and psychological trauma that is far worse than the impact of job loss. It stays with the victim forever, scarring them emotionally (and physically, in some cases), whereas job loss seldom affects people so profoundly.

While the long term psychological effects of being laid off may not be as bad as rape, there are plenty of short and long term adverse effects of being laid off. Being raped still generally leaves you in a sound financial position, whatever your psychological state. (Also, "scarring"? I could throw your sarky comments right back at you)

The "trauma" of being laid-off seldom results in the employee being so terrified of layoffs that they never seek a job again!

And how would you know? Have you been laid off from a job you've been working for the last 20 years, losing your house, car and family as a result?

These should have been pretty self-evident, but if you can't understand these concepts, seek professional help. Seriously.

Whatever. The moral distinction between individual crimes and certain corporate action is very little.
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Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:31 am

Living well below the poverty line, you exist on food stamps, desperatly trying to find work - any work - as you lose your house, car, wife and even access to your child. Then you can (eventually) get another job and it'll be allll better; like it never happened. Right?

A flawed argument.

You see, the CEO wasn't responsible for you losing your house, car, wife, etc. It was your inability to plan for rough times and secure a new job after being laid off that caused that.

The rapist, however, IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the victim's loss of well-being.
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RE: US State Sentences Man To Death For Rape

Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:35 am

You see, the CEO wasn't responsible for you losing your house, car, wife, etc. It was your inability to plan for rough times and secure a new job after being laid off that caused that.

The rapist, however, IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the victim's loss of well-being.


Well let's be cold and pedantic, shall we?

The rapist was directly responsible for having non-consensual sex with the victim. The psychological harm the victim suffers is due to their psychological state and feelings towards rape.  Insane

It's hardly a flawed argument. Are you saying someone deserves financial hardships if they're the victim of blatant corporate immorality?
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