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Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:38 am

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20030903/ap_on_re_us/abortion_execution_16

Abortion Dr.'s Killer Executed in Florida

By RON WORD, Associated Press Writer

STARKE, Fla. - Paul Hill, a former minister who said he murdered an abortion doctor and his bodyguard to save the lives of unborn babies, was executed Wednesday by injection. He was the first person put to death in the United States for anti-abortion violence.

Hill, 49, was condemned for the July 29, 1994, shooting deaths of Dr. John Bayard Britton and his bodyguard, retired Air Force Lt. Col. James Herman Barrett, and wounding of Barrett's wife outside the Ladies Center in Pensacola.

Hill was pronounced dead at 6:08 p.m., Gov. Jeb Bush's office said.

Death penalty opponents and others had urged Bush to halt the execution, some of them warning Hill's death would make him a martyr and unleash more violence against abortion clinics. The governor said he would not be "bullied" into stopping the execution.

Florida abortion clinics and police were on heightened alert for reprisals. Several officials connected to the case received threatening letters last week, accompanied by rifle bullets.

"Paul Hill is a dangerous psychopath," said Marti McKenzie, spokeswoman for Dr. James S. Pendergraft, who runs clinics in Orlando, Ocala, Tampa and Fort Lauderdale.

Outside Florida State Prison, extra law enforcement officers, explosives sniffing dogs and undercover officers were in place to prevent protests from getting out of hand.

"We don't want an incident of national proportion," Bradford County Sheriff Bob Milner said.

Hill's religious adviser, Donald Spitz, stayed with him until just before his execution.

Since losing his automatic appeals, Hill has not fought his execution and insisted up to the day before his death that he would be forgiven by God for killing to save the unborn.

"I expect a great reward in heaven," he said in an interview Tuesday, during which he was cheerful, often smiling. "I am looking forward to glory."

Hill suggested others should take up his violent cause.

Fringe elements of the anti-abortion movement that condone clinic violence have invited attacks on Web sites that proclaim Hill as a martyr. Members of the mainstream anti-abortion movement have denounced the calls for violence.

Most abortion clinics in Florida reached by The Associated Press on Wednesday declined comment. McKenzie said security is always high at their clinics, but they are particularly cautious now because of Hill's call for people to follow his actions.

"The bottom line is when you work in the industry you're aware those people are out there every single day," she said.

Inspired by the 1993 shooting death of another abortion doctor in Pensacola, Hill purchased a new shotgun and went to a gun range to practice. The morning of the murder, as Britton and the Barretts entered the clinic parking lot, Hill shot James Barrett in the head and upper body. He then reloaded and fired again, hitting Britton in the head and arm. June Barrett was wounded in the arm.

Hill put down the shotgun because he did not want to get shot by police and walked away. When officers arrested him within minutes without incident, he said, "I know one thing, no innocent babies are going to be killed in that clinic today."

Hill was the 57th inmate executed since Florida resumed executions in 1979 and the third in Florida this year.

The killings of Britton and Barrett happened during a time of increased violence at clinics nationwide.

Another abortion doctor had been killed in Pensacola in 1993 by Michael Griffin, who is serving a life sentence. Two receptionists were killed at Boston-area abortion clinics in 1994 by John Salvi, who committed suicide in prison two years later.

Earlier this year, James Kopp was convicted of killing an Buffalo, N.Y., abortion doctor in 1998, while fugitive Eric Rudolph was captured and charged with a 1998 bombing that killed an off-duty police officer at an Alabama abortion clinic.
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This asshole wants a reward? You mean, like the 9/11 bombers, and other terrorists expect to be graced with 72 virgins, or something along that line.

I am against abortion, with some exceptions. But no sane person can condone what this nut did. I suspect all this man will get as "reward" is a very hot, humid corner room in Perdition.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:58 am

I am in no way condoning his actions (and do think he deserves life in jail), but I just get a very sick feeling anytime I know a modern government is willingly killing a human.

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:05 am

I am against abortion, with some exceptions. But no sane person can condone what this nut did. I suspect all this man will get as "reward" is a very hot, humid corner room in Perdition.

Right where he belongs. His actions were wrong no matter how he might have felt about abortion. He can join the Sept. 11th hijackers in enjoying their reward from a very ugly dude with a pitchfork.
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:16 am

Damn, B757300, we're agreeing more and more. I can't take this.  Smile

Actually, this is just a no-brainer, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:21 am

Crap. Even I'm with B757300 on this one!
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:23 am

What's frightening, KROC is that you're with ME on this one.

Damn.....
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:41 am

I know Alpha 1. Such instances have been occuring now and then lately. I better go check my political direction!  Big grin
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:46 am

Since we're all in agreement on the end result, would this be a bad time to point out that since he shot and killed those men, he technically didn't "bomb" anything like the topic implies?  Big grin
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:50 am

Actually Paul Hill did not bomb anything. He shot the doctor and his bodyguard to death with a shotgun. (The abortion bomber you're probably thinking about is Eric Robert Rudolph, also responsible for the Olympic Park bombing.)

I am also anti-abortion, but I don't believe that you protect life by destroying it. Paul Hill is a murderer as much as the doctor who was performing abortions.

Yet, I am also anti-death penalty. I don't think any human being on this earth has the mind of God to judge what is worthy of death and what is not. Paul Hill should have been locked up in solitary until the point at which he either showed remorse or died, whichever came first. Killing him, even if by a legal ruling, is still murder.

May he rest in peace as well as the doctor and guard who he killed. I hope that in Hill's last breath that he did truly repent of the murders.


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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:40 am

My apologies. You are right Redngold, he wasn't a bomber, and I apologize for getting my facts wrong on that account.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:33 pm

This guy had the gall to say he'd go to heaven for what he had done! Puh-leaze! What happened to Thou Shalt Not Kill!? God will forgive if one has remorse, but for this man, his idea of heaven must be fire, brimstone, and little red people shoving pitchforks up his ass. He dares call himself a Minister.

Although I don't fully agree with abortion...a terrorist is a terrorist. And one as belligerent as this one got what he deserved.

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:29 pm

Good freaking riddance. Murder is wrong in all situations.
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:56 pm

There was a debate on CNN with two anti-bortion priests. One of them felt this was justified the other felt he should repend before he dies....

Me? I'm glad he's dead. IMHO he is worse than the 9/11 Hijackers. Not what he did, but why he did it.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:04 pm

The killer of a "killer" has been killed...anyone see a weird part about that?

btw - I am pro-choice.

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:17 pm

I think he was rightfully put to death for his actions. At the same time I understand the point he was trying to make (even though it doesn't justify murder IMHO).

Think of this.

- If you are a hard core religious person, you would be against both abortion and the death penalty.

- If you are a practical-minded person, you would be for abortion and the death penalty.

- The usual conservative is for the death penalty against convicted murderers and against the death penalty for unborn babies.

- The usual liberal is for the death penalty against unborn babies and against the death penalty for convicted murderers and maniacs.

These are all points of view that are easily understandable, except for the last one - how many years of abuse must a liberal suffer in order to arrive at a warped view like that?

Charles

PS - I am pro death penalty and, while a little uneasy about it, pro-choice.

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:02 pm

Abortion as a death penalty for unborn babies?
Hardly an impartial choice of words..!  Smile
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:27 pm

The man is a religious fanatic and therefore no different to the ones we find in the Middle East.

Those people who use religion as an excuse to carry out their views (conveniently ignoring the values that don't support their views) and end up killing other people (often innocent) don't deserve to be on this earth. If they think that they will end up in heaven they are badly deluded.

Oh, they are already badly deluded.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:51 pm

At least, this case is interesting mixing religion, the usual good/evil we find in all American stories (as we can read in the posts) with even some view on heaven/hell, feelings about abortion and death penalty, but opposing these two things.

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:38 pm

Cfalk - Nobody is FOR abortion, me being pro-choice, I'm not FOR it, it's just that I don't care that other people do it...it's their life. I don't go out and say.... HERE'S A FREE COUPON FOR AN ABORTION!
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:26 am

IMHO he is worse than the 9/11 Hijackers. Not what he did, but why he did it.

Are you fucking kidding? This has to be some kind of sick joke. 3,000 innocent people died on 9/11, and one abortion doctor was killed here. So what your trying to say is that the pro-choice movement is more important than that of worldwide terrorism. Dude, get some help, youre a sick kid...

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:34 am

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:12 am

Being pro-choice (not pro-abortion) and pro death penalty, he got what he deserved.

The last time I checked, it was still legal in the U.S. to get an abortion. Once again, not for it, just like stated above, not my business!

I too find it ironic that people use "religion" as their cause to skirt the law!

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:34 am

So some of these 'Pro-Lifers' favour, or actually do, KILL people?
Anyone see the irony? They won't, that's the trouble with fundamentalism, no sense of irony, or any kind of balance.

As for me, well I was adopted at 6 weeks, I was lucky, yet if I had been conceived a few months later I could have been legally aborted, as the 1967 abortion act came into being.
Yet I'm firmly pro choice, as in the years leading up to the 1967 act, around 1000 women died at the hands of botched, illegal, unsupervised, back street abortions annually.
So who is saving lives here?
Now the US population is some 4 times that of the UK, so a lot of death still, as well as several times that number maimed in illegal abortions.
Hell of a human price.
I bet that the rich and powerful could get a much better supervised illegal abortion though, money talks.

However, I'm against the death penalty, too many mistakes are made that cannot be rectified, again this falls far more on those lower in societies pecking order.
I would much prefer if this turd had spent the rest of his days in a supermax prison.
He's died happy, nutcase that he is, I don't call that 'closure'.
A sad business all round.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 6:23 am

I don't think stories come more ironic than this....
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:55 am

Anyone ever listened to Bill Hicks?

"Pro Lifers, killing PEOPLE... its irony on a base level"

And I agree with what he said about abortion too:

"You're not a person, until you're in my phone book".


What this Hill fellow did was despicable and rediculous, but it doesn't change my views on the death penalty - as GDB said, there are too many things that can't be rectified after it. Its so final that its scary. I mean, there have been people released from prison in this country having served time for crimes that they did not commit, and crimes for which if they lived in America, they would have been executed.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:04 am

Paul Hill is a murderer as much as the doctor who was performing abortions.


That's really a terrible remark, without the slightest sign of respect for an innocent citizen who was murdered by a crazy extremist.



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IMHO he is worse than the 9/11 Hijackers. Not what he did, but why he did it.



Highly interesting......maybe you tell us, a few days before the second anniversary of the tragedy, in what the "why" you're referring to is so much "better" than the motives of the doctor killer...
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:27 am

God fearing Christians frothing at the mouth with excitement over another death sentence being handed down.

Does anyone see the irony in this? How are those of us in more civilised corners of the planet meant to interpret this?

*smells something hypocritical in the air*

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:57 am

More Bill Hicks quotes on this;
"If you're so pro-life, if you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's all alone and get them out of a terrible situation"
"They'll say, 'why don't you do that Bill',"
"Cos I hate kids and couldn't give a f***"

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:49 am

Todareisinger,

Abortion is murder in my mind. Paul Hill is a murderer of an adult human being. An abortion doctor is a murderer of unborn human beings. I am entitled to my opinion, and it is that ALL life is sacred. You obviously didn't read my entire post as I said I don't believe anyone has the mind to judge what is worthy of death. I'm about as sensitive about issues of life and death as one can get. Read it again and then think about who made an insensitive remark.

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:09 pm

I hope the impressed on him, that he was simply undergoing a post-natal abortion.
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:10 pm

I wonder where Paul Hill is tonight? No, I really don't, he is in hell beacause he was truly unable to see the wrong he did and repent. He thought he would be in heaven and he's not.

I cannot add to this as it's what I believe. I guess I'll know soon, or not.
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:20 pm

Nobody is FOR abortion, me being pro-choice, I'm not FOR it, it's just that I don't care that other people do it...it's their life.

Well said. I feel the same. Whatever anyone's personal feelings about abortion, I feel that they have no right to impose them on others.....that makes me pro-choice. In a secular society, we HAVE to allow abortions for those that want them.







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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:31 pm

I hope that in Hill's last breath that he did truly repent of the murders.

And that, in a nutshell, is why the death penalty was imposed on him and carried out - He never once showed any remorse for killing the doctor (and even gleefully recounted how he continued to shoot this man with a shotgun, repeatedly, until he stopped moving). Had he shown even a modicum of remorse, he would have most likely been sentenced to life without parole. As for the official record, he denied that he had done anything wrong up to the very end.

I find it ironic that this "good Christian" conveniently forgot one of the 10 Commandments - Thou Shalt Not Kill. Amazing how these religious people can twist the Bible, Quran, etc, to justify their actions in "the name of God/Allah/the Grand Poo-Bah of the Water Buffalo/Whomever"!

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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 6:33 pm

Hill, 49, was condemned for the July 29, 1994, shooting deaths of Dr. John Bayard Britton and his bodyguard, retired Air Force Lt. Col. James Herman Barrett, and wounding of Barrett's wife outside the Ladies Center in Pensacola.


Hill was a murderer.

You have the right to be against abortion, but Dr. Britton was NOT a "murderer".
First, I find it very shocking to put on the same level a man who willfully killed two innocent human beings and one of his victims. And secondly, it is totally uncorrect to call Britton a "murderer"; this is a legal definition.....which OBVIOUSLY doesn't apply to the assassinated doctor.




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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 6:41 pm

Abortion is murder in my mind. Paul Hill is a murderer of an adult human being. An abortion doctor is a murderer of unborn human beings. I am entitled to my opinion, and it is that ALL life is sacred

Of course it's not to make a comparison, but if you're honest you should beat your head on the wall to have killed mosquitos or ants sometimes in your life.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:08 pm

Lets not forget that he killed more than the doctor who carried out the abortions. Are we to think that the bodyguard was also guilty just because he worked for him? What about the receptionist at the hospital or the cleaner? No the man murdered innocent people and lets not forget it. He got his just deserves.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:01 pm

You have the right to be against abortion, but Dr. Britton was NOT a "murderer".

Toda, if one believes that that fetus is a living human being, as I do, then what else can you consider it? I know it assuages the conscience of those who are "pro-choice" (what an assinine term that is), that the fetus is somehow NOT alive, and not a living being, so it can justify their belief that, other than in instance of rape, incest or when the mother's own life is in jeopardy, that abortion is just another lifestyle "choice" to be made by the irresponsible who can't manage their own reproductive systems.

It is murder. My wife gave birth to 3 children, and when you feel that baby kick against your wife's stomach, there's not doubt it's a living being; when you see the ultrasound when the fetus is smaller, and you see movement, and a heartbeat, how can one rationally say that it's not killing a living being when an abortion takes place.

So everyone can spare me this crap that abortion is not murder. It is state-sanctioned murder, and it's wrong. Having said that, it is LEGAL, and the doctor was in the practice of performing LEGAL services. And this nut who killed him and his bodyguard has no right to play judge, jury and executioner on those who he doesn't agree with. Until abortion is said to be illegal-and there's a difference between legal/illegal and right and wrong, then he should be perfectly safe in his person.
 
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RE: Abortion Bomber Put To Death

Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:39 am

Admirable sentiments Alpha 1, but as I tried to point out before, the alternative is illegal abortions, with lots of dead women to add to the dead unborn.

I don't know how it works in the US, but the laws regulating abortion in the UK have strict guidelines on the length into the pregnancy that an abortion can be carried out, I'd guess that the laws in the US are at least as strict, if not more.
Backstreet abortionists have no such guidelines.

36 years after the 1967 act came in, still plenty of babies abandoned, or given up for adoption, so clearly having a legal abortion is not an easy 'lifestyle choice'.

I doubt if anyone in the medical profession involved with this area views abortions with any else than utter distaste, but some of them, and all their predecessors, knew only too well what the result of illegal abortions were.

Abortionists are one of the oldest professions in the world sadly, they did not suddenly appear in a legal and controlled form in 1967 in the UK, or 1973 in the US.

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