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Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:46 am

Well, what do you think?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030901/ap_on_re_af/morocco_israel_1

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1062388730545

I think this is a great thing. More relations are needed between Israel and other predominantly Muslim nations.

Another story which I think is amazing is the recent performance of the "Peace Orchestra" in Morocco. The orchestra is composed entirely or Israelis, Palestinians, and Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. It is the first time they performed in a predominantly Muslim nation. Quite interesting, and very nice to see a group like this exists.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030825/wl_mideast_afp/mideast_morocco_music_030825101853

Any thoughts?
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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:33 am

This would be great news! There has been an unofficial relationship/recognition between the 2 countries for decades of course.

This will be a symbolic step forward for Mideast peace.

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Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:29 pm

If not mistaken, there are still quite a "lot" of Jewish people living in Morocco. Morocco is one of the Islamic countries which is quite liberal in this matter (compared to other Islamic nations).
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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:36 pm

Well the more countries that reconize Israel, the better the chances are that eventually their right to exist will be recognized and peace will occur in that troubled land.
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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:34 pm


Once again a foolish decision from King Mohammed VI and his board.

The Moroccan would not accept this.

I personally would accept Tunisia to have diplomatic ties with Israel if the Jewish country was settled in...let's say...Siberia,the Western Sahara,Galapagos...and never in the Palestinian territories.

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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:27 am

I personally would accept Tunisia to have diplomatic ties with Israel if the Jewish country was settled in...let's say...Siberia,the Western Sahara,Galapagos...and never in the Palestinian territories.

You have a point. Realistically, Israel SHOULD have been given a slice of Germany for its homeland, but it wasn't. So why are you blaming Israeli's for a UN decision to put Israel in the Mideast?

Israel is in the Mideast and it's not moving anywhere. Don't you think it's time for Arab countries to recognize Israel? Your collective isolation of Israel has only made it stronger.
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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:35 am

Your collective isolation of Israel has only made it stronger.

No. Isolation has not made Israel stronger. Support from overseas has made it stronger; and Israel would have grown just as much (economically/socially/&c, as opposed to land grabs) if it had not been isolated.

Anyway, I welcome this recognition.
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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:42 am

Isolation has not made Israel stronger.

Israel would not need such a powerful military if its Arab neighbours offered diplomatic recognition in its infancy. Israel has had to be very self-reliant economically & militarily in the face of overwhelming opposition from its Arab neighbours.


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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:24 am

Realistically, Israel SHOULD have been given a slice of Germany for its homeland, but it wasn't.


That's a total nonsense......

Tell us why the Jewish independance should have been artificially recreated in Germany (out of all places...) and not in the historic and and religious center of the Jewish people...
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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:33 am

Tell us why the Jewish independance should have been artificially recreated in Germany (out of all places...) and not in the historic and and religious center of the Jewish people...

Simple.....because it was Hitler's Germany that led to the execution of 6M Jews in WW2....over 50% of world Jewry. Based on numbers of Jews, the true historic, economic & demographic centre of the Jewish people was in Central Europe, arguably in or not far from Germany.....hence a reasonable Jewish homeland was right where most of them lived anyway.

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Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:21 pm

Yyz717 wrote:

"Based on numbers of Jews, the true historic, economic & demographic centre of the Jewish people was in Central Europe, arguably in or not far from Germany.....hence a reasonable Jewish homeland was right where most of them lived anyway."

Unlike most other ethnic groups on the continent, the Jews did not live in a single region -- they were scattered in many towns and cities throughout Europe, so determining a "homeland" would have been virtually impossible. Furthermore, there were infinitely more Jews in Eastern European territories occupied by the Nazis in WWII than in Germany itself. Also, such a plan would have displaced even more innocent people than was already the case at that time (Central Europe isn't known for its vast, empty spaces). Finally, when the war was over and the Jews were restored their civil rights, there was simply no need for a separate Jewish homeland in Europe, which the Jews would probably have never accepted anyway (Israel was a different, much older, and territorially-based concept).
 
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RE: Israel/Morocco To Open Diplomatic Ties?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 5:48 pm

Unlike most other ethnic groups on the continent, the Jews did not live in a single region -- they were scattered in many towns and cities throughout Europe

Correct, but they were highly concentrated in Poland.

so determining a "homeland" would have been virtually impossible

Well, it was done easily enough in Palestine.....so it could have been easily done in Germany.

such a plan would have displaced even more innocent people than was already the case at that timeM

You could argue that the displacement of Germans to make room for a Jewish homeland is far more humane than the genocide of the holocaust in the first place. It would have served as a fair and reasonable retribution for the perpetrators of the holocaust.

when the war was over and the Jews were restored their civil rights, there was simply no need for a separate Jewish homeland in Europe

Then why was there a need for one in Palestine? To which most Jews who went were European? The purpose of a Jewish homeland was to prevent further holocausts in future generations.







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