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Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:25 am



No it wasn't from this chicken but from one not pictured.



Schwarzenegger Hit by Egg at Speech
47 minutes ago

By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer


LONG BEACH, Calif. - Arnold Schwarzenegger was a no-show at the initial debate of California's recall election Wednesday and delivered what was billed as his first major campaign speech, getting pelted with an egg as he waded through a crowd at a college campus.


Unfazed when the egg hit his left shoulder, the action hero peeled off his coat and went ahead with a 15-minute speech in which he asserted that he is running for governor to give something back to a state responsible for his success. He broke no new ground in the address.


"You have such a fantastic life, Arnold, you make millions of dollars to do movies and all those kinds of things, why do you want to do this?" Schwarzenegger asked rhetorically.


"And you know something, because everything that I've gotten — my career, my money, my family — everything that I've gotten and achieved is because of California," he said to cheers at California State University, Long Beach.


Schwarzenegger said he wasn't bothered by the egging. "This guy owes me bacon now," he joked later. "I mean there's no two ways about it because, I mean, you can't just have eggs without bacon. But this is all part of, you know, the free speech."


Several opponents from La Raza Student Association heckled Schwarzenegger at the speech for his past support of Proposition 187, which sought to deny services to illegal immigrants. They held a sign saying "Hasta la vista Latinos," but supporters drowned out the hecklers with chants of "Arnold, Arnold, Arnold."


Schwarzenegger's address came hours before the debate that featured five other candidates in the race to recall Democratic Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites), who was given 30 minutes at the outset to make his case. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has agreed to participate in only one debate, on Sept. 24.


Political observers say Schwarzenegger's absence in the first debate will hurt him.


"He's going to get beaten up for a while" for skipping the debate, said GOP strategist Allan Hoffenblum. "It's not that he's not going to debate, but he's going to do it at his own time."


Talking to reporters after the speech, Schwarzenegger was questioned about his decision to opt out of the debate. He stressed the importance of going up and down the state to get the views of Californians from many walks of life.


"One of my favorite things to do is stand there with people and debate over the issues and then let the people decide," he said.



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This is not looking good for Arnold.  Sad


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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:45 am

Well Done as usual California. Not like the whole country isn't laughing at you for this recall. I mean whats respectable about a midget child star, a porn star, and the countless other LOSERS who are running for govenor? At least A. Schwartz has a clue about the issues. Hell, even Mississippi is cracking on California over this mess. How does that taste Californian...Mississippi is making fun of you for a change. Hell, and now we can add egg throwing at a rally or speach whatever. Hey California, this is NOT a Soccer Game, leave that crap at home. Well Done again though. Props to Cal-if-orn-I-A.
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:52 am

Great, another sideshow to the circus. I wish California would ceede from the Union, I really do.

I'm not fan of Ahnold running for Guvnor, but to be so low-class about it. Let's see this egg-thrower put his reputation and heart on the line for something, instead of being an asshole.
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:41 pm

Great, another sideshow to the circus. I wish California would ceede from the Union, I really do.

Do a search Alpha1, and you'll find I've made numerous posts of this nature. Hell Fly here can tell you!

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:55 pm

Several opponents from La Raza Student Association heckled Schwarzenegger at the speech for his past support of Proposition 187, which sought to deny services to illegal immigrants.

Personally, while I could care less who runs the land of fruits and nuts, I have to give one to Arnold here. Why should the taxpayers foot the bill for ANY services to ILLEGAL aliens? If you aren't supposed to be in this country, then why should the taxpayers of this country pay for ANY services to you?

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:03 pm

Egg whites make BIG muscles.

And Future Governor Gang Bang needs the protein.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:03 pm

Save it guys. No amount of California bashing from you can change the fact that despite the screwy politics and high cost of living, California is still a nicer state to live in than your respective states.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:04 pm

well, he should have been at the debate....
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Ha

Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:33 pm

California is still a nicer state to live in than your respective states.

LMAO.. If you consider the extreme real-estate costs, high-levels of smog in the most populated areas, more illegal immigrants then most states have LEGAL immigrants, explosive urban sprawl and it's effects assosiated with it a good thing then, then yes.
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:44 pm

IF he was in Canada, it would have been a pie.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:55 pm

NEEDLESS TO SAY....



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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:58 pm

God, some of the stupidity coming out in these comments is mind boggling.

As for Arnold, he should have shown up at the debate. He's going to get a lot of heat for it, and its rightly so deserved. If he wants to run for the governor of California, he should take part in all aspects of the race. He also needs to start giving his views on certain issues, which he has so far completely ignored. People really don't know where he stands on issues, except that he's a big name and thus people will vote for him.

This recall is really a big mess. While I don't want to see Gray Davis running this state anymore, there's nobody better forseeably running the state. If there's some things Davis has done well, its his stances on Education and Health Care. I don't want to know what a new governor (that's GOVERNOR Alpha 1, not guvnor, spell it right) will do to the education system in the name of balancing the budget. California is making great breakthroughs in education, moving from 37th in the union to the top 1/3 in education scores and test scores.

What I don't want to see is somebody like Cruz Bustamante in office, who's plan is more taxes, one of the very things that put this state in the problems that it is. But I also don't want somebody like Arnold in office, who seems to me very "wishy washy" on his stances so far. He's stated he will only take part in debates for which the questions are provided in advance. You make the call on that.

As for all of you who are bashing California, it is in my opinion still the nicest place in the U.S. to live. You have the greatest environmental diversity of almost any state in the U.S. You have the mountains, deserts, forests, and beaches. You have some of the greatest National Parks in the world here in the state. Central Valley is the agricultural center of the world. Silicon Valley produces some of the finest technological advances in the world. We have great cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego. Try living in San Francisco after living in a place like Cleveland or Rochester, and then bash away all you like after you've seen it for yourself. This state has the second lowest rate of smoking in the nation, something I completely took for granted until I moved out of the state to go to school in the Midwest. As for smoggy cities, California has some of the toughest car pollution laws in the nation, and these have greatly reduced the smog levels all across the state.

So where else can you see the largest living thing on the planet (General Sherman tree), hike to the top of the contiguous U.S. (Mt. Whitney), swim with sea otters off the coast (and now apparently great white sharks), eat one hell of a meal in San Francisco Chinatown (really good stuff), and ride some of the most intense roller coasters in the world (Six Flags Magic Mountain).

I'll agree our state is in a state of economic distress right now, but this doesn't make our state the laughing stock of the U.S., and comments like "we should secede" from the union are pretty stupid (that's SECEDE Alpha1). California voters took the steps they felt were necessary to fix the current problems we are facing and signed the petition for a recall election, which is why we are currently going through the process we are. And while we may have a lot of clowns who are "running" for governor, you and I both know that none of them are going to win the election. It might be amusing to a lot of people, but there are real politicians and people who are serious about running this state trying to win this recall election.

Just my two cents about my home state.
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Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:22 pm

LMAO.. If you consider the extreme real-estate costs, high-levels of smog in the most populated areas, more illegal immigrants then most states have LEGAL immigrants, explosive urban sprawl and it's effects assosiated with it a good thing then, then yes.

Those are the drawbacks to life in California.

But you keep laughing out there in Buffalo, New York. We have the best weather in the country, Los Angeles and San Francisco are two of the most exciting cities in the world, with plenty of stuff to do for recreation, great sports, great restaurants, world class cultural attractions. Our diversity is rivaled only by New York City. We have more geographic diversity in this state than anywhere else in the country. Farmland, mountains, desert, great beaches with warm water, quiet coastal towns, hilly and wooded Peninsula suburbs to palm lined boulevards in Santa Monica, you name it, we got it.

I won't waste any more of my time telling you what's so good about California. You wouldn't understand anyway. But you keep laughing. When I wear shorts to watch the Giants play in the NLCS this October, I'll think of you.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:57 pm

DeltaSFO,


Everything you said in the above post is entirely based on your own oppinion. Just because you like the warm climate doesn't mean that a warm climate is better than any other climate. Someone else might like a cold climate. And how do you back up the statement about you having the "best weather in the country"? Quite simply, you can't. Because once again "good weather" is a subjective thing. Good weather to you might be sunny and warm weather whilst it's something completely different for someone else. You also can't say that SFO and L.A are the "most exciting cities in the world". They might be to you but certainly not for everyone.


You take your own oppinions and assumptions way too far.
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:35 pm

Personally, LA could fall off the face of the earth and I wouldn't miss it one damn bit (take Magic Mountain out first)! Northern California and the Sierras are nice places to visit but I certainly wouldn't want to live there (especially SFO - I love to visit the city but would NEVER want to live there)! So, I agree with the others who say calling CA the greatest place to live is highly subjective. For every one person who thinks it is, there are probably more that think oppositely. There are those who think Chicago or New York or Miami or Dallas or Houston or < insert your city here > is the greatest place on earth to live. Doesn't make it right; doesn't make it wrong!

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:24 pm

Try living in San Francisco after living in a place like Cleveland or Rochester, and then bash away all you like after you've seen it for yourself

I have lived all over the country, INCLUDING California, and I'd still live in several other places before I lived in California. So yes, I have seen it myself, and I have lived there. I understand its a matter of personal opinion, but before you try and shoot mine down, you might want to have a few facts first.
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:00 pm

Would that make this guy a Schwarzen egger?

Bad joke I'm sorry....
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:05 pm

No amount of California bashing from you can change the fact that despite the screwy politics and high cost of living, California is still a nicer state to live in than your respective states.

If you want to live totally removed from reality, as it exists in the rest of the U.S., perhaps. But I'll take the midwest over California any day. Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

IF he was in Canada, it would have been a pie.

I figure it would be Molson. No, wait, that would be a waste, wouldn't it?  Big grin

What I don't want to see is somebody like Cruz Bustamante in office, who's plan is more taxes.

MORE TAXES? Doesn't California have ridiculously low property taxes, thanks to Prop 13? One problem Calif. seems to have is they can't raise any revenue, thanks to the idiotic proposition system in Californa. If you think ANY candidate will NOT have to raise taxes to help make up this Grand Canyon-sized deficit, you're dreaming. Another sad legacy of the Reagan years-the fear of having to do WHAT IS NECESSARY to run a government.
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:36 pm

You take your own oppinions and assumptions way too far.

Maybe, maybe not. Most people seem to agree that "best weather" means within a certain range which is not too cold, yet not too not or humid.

I never said that San Francisco and Los Angeles are THE most exciting cities in the world. Had you not misquoted me, you would have included the "two of" that preceded the phrase that you did quote.

I look at it this way. There are 36 million people that agree with me. In 2002, 591,000 people moved to California. That's despite the economic crisis, despite the political turmoil that was brewing even back then, and despite the drawbacks to living in this state that so many of you have gone to great pains to wave in the faces of the Californian a.netters. So yeah, this place isn't perfect, it can be a little too wacko liberal sometimes, and yeah the traffic is bad in some places. But like I said, people keep moving here from other states, and for that matter, countries all over the world. So we must be doing something right.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:45 pm

As the old saying goes:

"California is like granola, what's not a fruit or a nut is a flake!"

 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:55 pm

My appologies for quoting you wrong. I really didn't notice the "two of" in there.


I still disagree with everything you said up there though. You cannot base the oppinion of the population of the U.S on simply your own oppinion.
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:19 am

I would live in the Los Angeles metro area (and Orange Cty.) in a second, in fact, thats where I hope to move to when I get out of college. Of course, I'll bitch about all the ills of California but in the end the weather makes it an unbeatable place to live. I dont care about traffic, I grew up in Atlanta, which is just a perpetual traffic jam. I can deal with the 405 being clogged at 10PM. And the best part of L.A. is the fact that it just reeks of capitalism  Laugh out loud
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:03 am

I am curious what some of the cultural and social conservatives think about Arnold's interviews back in the 70s when he talked about the bodybuilder orgies he attended where gang banging was a big part of the menu.

It appears that much of California doesn't care. And neither does the nation, apparently. Perhaps, its because we have come to realize that a candidate's sexual past has no bearing on his/her ability to govern sensibly in office. Or maybe its because everyone loves Arnold.

Atlhough, I think that if a Democratic candidate had come clean on sexual indiscretions, the lynch mob in Congress and the RNC would be all over him/her. Just imagine if Dianne Feinstein said she was a horny sorority babe in the 50s (40s? 30s? how old is she anyways?) who blew the men at Alpha beta gamma for jello shooters. There would be a Republican/Conservative/Christian Coalition outcry ! And the usual suspects on here would be frothing at the mouth...
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Ha

Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:12 am

But you keep laughing out there in Buffalo, New York. We have the best weather in the country,

Maybe I like the weather for Skiing and snowboarding. Try that in LA.


When I wear shorts to watch the Giants play in the NLCS this October, I'll think of you.

And when you have your next earthquake, i'll be thinking of you with my houses' foundation in one piece.  Big grin
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:19 am

But you keep laughing out there in Buffalo, New York. We have the best weather in the country

That is all personal opinion. Not for nothing, but lots of people like change of season, they like the fall, winter, spring, and summer. I love the fall and the Spring. Last year's 11 month winter soured me a bit there, but I'll take a change of season every day as opposed to 60 degrees, fog, and maybe rain on a daily basis.

When I wear shorts to watch the Giants play in the NLCS this October, I'll think of you.

Again, a personal thing. I wear shorts all year round too. When it is 20 degrees outside, I can be seen wearing shorts playing basketball. When I go to the Bills game this October, and its Indian Summer....I'll be wearing shorts then too.

Flight152 does have you with the earthquake bit though...
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:59 am

Maybe I like the weather for Skiing and snowboarding. Try that in LA.

Both San Francisco and Los Angeles have top notch snowboarding/skiing within a 3 hour drive.

Oh and by the way, my house is seismically reinforced.  Big thumbs up

KROC... Man, if you can wear shorts in 20 degree weather, you have my respect. I'm totally thin blooded. Anything less than 65 and I'm in jeans and a sweatshirt. It really is a matter of personal taste but I still say it's more common to find more people that wear shorts in December here than in, say, New York or Ohio.

I'm sorry that the strange weather patterns the last 2-3 years have soured you on California, and I can understand why they would. But this year it looks like we're getting back to normal. This summer has been absolutely gorgeous. I've been to a ton of games at Pac Bell and I think I've worn shorts at least 75% of the time.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:37 am

Oh my, what a mess this has turned in to.  Sad

The fools who bash California don't have any facts or figures to back up there rants. Education has improved in this state DeltaSFO has pointed that out and Houston, Texas has surpassed L.A. in pollution levels for the past 3 years. Gee I wonder what governor let that happen.  Insane
The greater L.A. Basin is surrounded by mountains and prone to having smog because the bad air is trapped. Houston sits on a flat plain. There is NO excuse for Houston which is smaller than L.A. to even come close to L.A. pollution levels, much less surpass L.A.


As far as earthquakes, California isn't the only state that get s them. Alaska has more earthquakes than California. Don't forget about the New Madrid fault of Missouri, as well as seismically active areas in South Carolina, Massachusetts, New York and a few other areas.
We are better prepared for earthquakes than areas in the east that have faults capable of producing 7.0+ magnitude earthquakes.


Back to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
I think he is a good person and I have nothing against him as a person. He still will not get my vote and I don't think he is the right caliber to hold a high elected office. Throwing eggs at the man is really stupid.


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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:49 am

As a brit who has a lot of experience of visiting the States, I loved California. It would be one of the top places I would want to live if I ever emigrated.

Beautiful state.
 
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Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:20 am

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:24 am

California has good weather, pretty mountains, exciting cities, blah, blah, blah!

That's called denile. Noone can deny that California is full of air-heads. Any state who's people are dumb enough to have a recall clause in their State Constitution, is a backwards state.

Face it, even the Deep South laughs at you fruitcakes now!

Like I've always said, "California is a big problem in the US, the San Andreas fault, is the solution to that problem!".

Let's hope for a quake that'll make the 1906 one look like a tea party. Making some violent shaking might knock some common sense into lunatics.

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:20 pm

Boeing forever, For someone who's always seeking the higher moral ground you have sunk to a new low here. Is this your way of seeing both sides ??? You should be ashamed of yourself wishing a earthquake on the people of California. What would you say if someone wished another Chicago fire on Chicago ??? Grow up dude ... Stop the name calling for Christ sake.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:24 pm

Superfly we haven't had an earthquake here in SC in forever.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:34 pm

Boeing forever, For someone who's always seeking the higher moral ground you have sunk to a new low here. Is this your way of seeing both sides ??? You should be ashamed of yourself wishing a earthquake on the people of California. What would you say if someone wished another Chicago fire on Chicago ??? Grow up dude ... Stop the name calling for Christ sake.

I knew you'd come back sooner or later, rushing to defend the "Bear Republic". It's a joke dude, lighten up...did you know 10 year olds don't have a clearly defined sense of sarcasm? Now who needs to grow up.

Seriously speaking though, some of the things going on in California ARE pissing off people in the rest of the Union.

As for another Chicago fire...sure, why the hell not!? Anything to get rid of Demolition Dickhead Daley and torch the "New" Soldier Field.

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:37 pm

Well I don't necessarily agree with his choice of words, as a Californian, I totally understand where Boeing4Ever is coming from. Sometimes, I'm embarrassed to be a resident of this [once] fine state.

"Who cares if people and businesses are leaving the state in droves, or that we are bankrupt? No biggie. More will come in to replace them. After all, we have nice weather." [Gov. Davis].

I agree. Not only is climate and city life subject to subjective terms of taste and interpretation, Mr. Davis IS in denial.

That's like telling someone who's house just burned to the ground, and lost everything he owned-the day after he got laid off and found out his wife is pregnant by the UPS man "to smile! It's a nice warm day! You can go and get real authentic sushi if you want."

WTF does THAT have to do with any of the problems at hand?

I have yet to meet anyone who who wasn't on vacation spending time at Fishermans Wharf, playing a sitar on Santa Monica Blvd, or eating Mongolian cuisine on a daily basis. Most Californians, as far as I can tell, are just like people everywhere else. They spend the majority of their lives stuck in traffic trying to run their day to day lives: going to/from work, grocery shopping, taking the kids to/from werever it is they need to go, maybe going out to eat, going shopping at the mall, whatever. If you are a yoing 20-something, maybe cruising down Sunset or Beach Blvd looking to pick up a woman. Same as anywhere else. Now people are A LOT more rude when behind the wheel here, no doubt due to rush hour (4AM-Midnight), and other frustrated motorists cutting them off as well, we are just like people anywhere else. The "diversity" that we have to offer is NOT the integral part of our day to day lives as some people and movies would have you believe.

Now as for the recall clause being "backwards", I vehemently disagree. Frankly, I feel that any state that DOESN'T have a recall clause is the "backwards" state.

It gives the people that much more say in what goes on. It is democracy at its finest and tells the politicans that they are not elected without impunity. If you are ineffective, corrupt, or even if we simply don't like you any more, if enough people agree, we CAN boot your ass out of office before your term is up and put a more competent leader in there.

And by the way: how many of the billion or so people that reside in China would actually tell you that they "love it" there?

Population alone is not an accurate barometer of the quality of life.

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:41 pm

California has good weather, pretty mountains, exciting cities, blah, blah, blah!

That's called denile. Noone can deny that California is full of air-heads. Any state who's people are dumb enough to have a recall clause in their State Constitution, is a backwards state.

Face it, even the Deep South laughs at you fruitcakes now!

Like I've always said, "California is a big problem in the US, the San Andreas fault, is the solution to that problem!".

Let's hope for a quake that'll make the 1906 one look like a tea party. Making some violent shaking might knock some common sense into lunatics.


Listen kid.... I don't go around wishing natural disasters on your state and I'd appreciate it if you would show me the same courtesy. Have a little class and learn to politely state your political disagreements without wishing death upon our entire fucking state.

Maybe if you had ancestors that lived through the 1906 earthquake and great fire, and if you understood what an earthquake is like (I do... I've lived here all my life and I was here in 1989), you would understand why saying something like this to any Californian, and especially a San Franciscan, is a particularly cheap shot.

It's unfortunate that despite your relative ignorance of the issues, you feel you have to open your mouth and demonstrate your complete and total idiocy. You don't live here, you clearly have no grasp of the issues currently facing Californians, and because something unconventional is going on out here, you say that "the San Andreas Fault is the solution to our problems." The typical response of an ignorant jackass.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:42 pm

Boeingforever, Well its good to see your rounded & balanced opinion is right down the center. Right ??? With the majority of Americans ??? I don't think so dude.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:01 pm

Boeingforever, Well its good to see your rounded & balanced opinion is right down the center. Right ??? With the majority of Americans ??? I don't think so dude.

I'm cracking a smile right now...because obviously your ego took a bruising in that "Does the GOP subvert Democracy?" thread.

The majority of Americans don't recall their politicians if they are incompetant, no matter how justified. Otherwise a political tit-for-tat game opens up. If Arnie wins this...how long till the Dems have him recalled? And then vice-versa, and so on. California needs to seriously change its State Constitution to prevent such circuises from occurring again.

As for your balanced remark...interesting coming from you of all people. I'm not going around saying the Republicans are subverting Democracy and blindly following the Democrats like you. Let it go man.

I'll deal with you tomorrow as I have no time right now.

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:38 pm

B4E,

Your post earlier is just so full of drivel and distasteful crap, I'm not going to waste my time with an intelligent and thought out reply, as you obviously didn't bother to do so. You should especially watch what you say around this forum (i.e. California is full of air-heads, a backwards state, you fruitcakes, some common sense into you lunatics). Seem like some pretty blatant flaimbait and attacks in my opinion. There's enough users here in this forum, including myself, who will get offended by your comments. And when you find its too late to take it back, you use the "Its just a joke" trump card.

Well I'm convinced, I guess I'll just take my airhead self out of this backwards state to a place where I wont be thought of as a fruitcake. Maybe then I'll finally have some sense in me, enough to pray for an earthquake to destroy the state.  Yeah sure  Yeah sure
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:55 pm

To quote an old forum favorite:

"You goddamn liberals!!"

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:05 pm

umm did you all forget what the topic of this thread is about?

You all need to grow up and realize people have their own opinions on everything.

no offence to anyone, just throwing my thoughts out there Big grin


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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:44 pm

JetsGo,

List one highly-charged thread on this board that DOESN'T stray off-topic at LEAST once!

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sat Sep 06, 2003 5:56 am

I'll agree with Matt D and say that I think it's a good thing that California has a recall clause. It does strengthen the power of the general public, it does allow them to replace a corrupt or ineffective leader. It's a good thing to have. I wish all states had a clause like that in their constitutions.

Recalls cost taxpayer money, sure, but having a bad leader that runs your state government into the ground, and then having your next electe governor spend his entire term in office trying to fix the damage his predecessor has done, isn't exactly efficient is it? When that time spent fixing all the screwups could otherwise be spent improving the state further.

I'm not speaking of Gray Davis here, I'm talking in general.

I love California, I love going there. I try to go once a year if I can because I almost always enjoy a trip there. There is good weather, and lots of things to do. The last trip I took there was last July and I had a blast. Explored alot of Orange county (part of which included getting lost on a freeway but at least it was a nice tour of the places we never see!  Big thumbs up), as well as making the rounds to Disneyland, perhaps my favourite of all places to take a vacation. I never get tired of Disneyland.

Aside from the good things California offers they, like any other state, have their fare share of problems. I dont think these problems warrant a desire for California to secede from the union. I don't wish a major eathquake on california. I know it was a joke, but if taken seriously, we can't exactly wish injury or death upon the general population of california over some messed up government policies. For what it's worth, I've got friends in California who have their heads on very straight, and it isn't their fault that Davis or anyone else messed up the state's government. They may have voted for him, but they have the power to recall him.

Would I ever live in California?

I don't know. There's alot of factors involved in deciding whether a place is good to live in or not, and the most important decision does not rely upon the quality of the weather. There's real issues. If I had a family in California, would my children receive good education? Is the job market fairly good so that I can continue to bring food to the table for myself or anyone else in my care, over the long-term? That's a fluctating issue, no way to gauge that. How about the crime rate? Will I feel safe in California, will I feel that my family is safe?

That last one is the clincher. Depending on the area, you could be very safe or not safe at all. You would have thought a Farmer's Market was safe until what happened last July 15th I think it was (granted, that wasn't an intentional act, but still), I can honestly say that when I do go to california, I rarely feel safe at all. Is that because there's a huge crime rate there and I notice it? No. I've never seen any of the crap people talk about. Though a drive through East L.A. gave me the chills. What I have heard about, is what friends who live there tell me, and of course, the image that hollywood paints. I think about 50% of this nation's opinion of L.A., perhaps even more, is formulated almost entirely on the picture Hollywood paints for us. I'm sure there's some people in this country who look at movies and think those high-action chases through crowds of people with bullets flying and people chasing crooks to the top of buildings where a helicopter rescues them happens every day in L.A.

But I digress.

The one, single, thing that would put me off to life in california is the crime rate. I dont get a frequent sense of people being friendly in CA. Perhaps because they're too busy with their daily lives to smile. I don't know. I do know that if you happen to accidentally look at someone where I live, they'll smile back, even if you aren't really looking at them.

In L.A., if you catch yourself looking at someone, usually they give you a very cold, "dont mess with me" stare back. This has happened to me countless times in the past. I brush it off. It doesn't mean anything to me. But it is a difference you notice. Salt Lake City, Southern Idaho, and Central Utah are entirely different worlds to L.A. Until I live there, I may not ever know what is the social norm for residents. But it does feel less friendly. But, then again that animosity may not exist at all. It's a variable because it depends ENTIRELY on your own perception.

My point is, California is different things to different people. Good place to live/bad place to live? It's entirely subjective. It depends on what you are comfortable with. But I wouldn't just slag off california and wish it gone.


I do hope Arnold wins the election, but he won't. Not showing up to that debate will cost him dearly, and the fact that he hasn't really taken a stand with any firm issues, has sealed his fate. I love how all the newspapers are quick to publish an article about Arnold touching a girl's ass in the 70s and then calling him against women's rights...or, quoting people who say he do. The obvious aim is to discredit Arnold. He's the celebrity, so obviously they have to bring him down. Don't you love the media. I dont care if Arnold had group sex in the 70s. I care about the man he is now, and if he can be an effective leader. I find it odd, but not surprising, that no newspaper or news site, is focusing on the fact that Bustamante is connected to a rather violent group in California. Of course, the papers don't care. What's their gain is slagging Bustamante off when they can go for the REAL meat they find in Arnold? Too much to resist. Anyone who says the media isn't biased is full of it.

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sat Sep 06, 2003 8:19 am

Boeing forever, As you have pointed out, and I have no problem admitting I'm a left wing Democrat. In this thread you seem to be one-sided and kind-of taking a stand. Could you be growing a spine ??? I'm proud of you dude.

Ahhhh, back to that debate with the spine. We've established, moderate=person who isn't slave to a political party...thus free will, and a spine. You are a slave to the democrats, afraid to stray from their views...thus no free will, and spineless.

Your post earlier is just so full of drivel and distasteful crap, I'm not going to waste my time with an intelligent and thought out reply, as you obviously didn't bother to do so. You should especially watch what you say around this forum (i.e. California is full of air-heads, a backwards state, you fruitcakes, some common sense into you lunatics). Seem like some pretty blatant flaimbait and attacks in my opinion. There's enough users here in this forum, including myself, who will get offended by your comments. And when you find its too late to take it back, you use the "Its just a joke" trump card.

Well I'm convinced, I guess I'll just take my airhead self out of this backwards state to a place where I wont be thought of as a fruitcake. Maybe then I'll finally have some sense in me, enough to pray for an earthquake to destroy the state.


Most of it was a joke, but here's some icing on the cake...Show me something that California's SOCIETY has done recently that would make the rest of the nation not get sick of them. You've got porn stars, Terminators, child stars, and whoever running for high office in a circus bound to cost taxpayer dollars. Add to that the drivel from Hollywood, phonies, plastic surgery, OJ trial, Gary Condit, Hippies, Dot Comers, Farmer's Market rundowns, birthplace of the "binkini", etc.

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sat Sep 06, 2003 8:31 am

It may not be any of my business, but maybe we should stop calling each other names, eh. It's a little immature wouldn't you say?
 
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:14 am

Its funnier how some of the people in some of the "crappiest" American cities are the first people to bash California and Los Angeles.  Big grin  Laugh out loud
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sat Sep 06, 2003 4:14 pm

Boeing4ever has clearly demonstrated to us all that he's an idiot. Perhaps it's best we just leave it at that. Offering opposing viewpoints of a given argument is no use when the person we're arguing with is not intelligent enough to understand just how ridiculous his constant psychobabble about "evil California" is.

Maybe we could get a moderator to lock this thread. It's getting to be pretty ridiculous.
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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:21 am

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:19 pm

Boeing4ever has clearly demonstrated to us all that he's an idiot. Perhaps it's best we just leave it at that. Offering opposing viewpoints of a given argument is no use when the person we're arguing with is not intelligent enough to understand just how ridiculous his constant psychobabble about "evil California" is.

How nice Delta, have any other comments other than "idiot"? Rather hypocritical post there.

Seriously, I hear you say I'm an idiot, but offering no reason why California isn't an annoying state. All I see listed are the "natural wonders". Since obviously I've so offended you with the earthquake comment, I'll apologize for that, but I still see no good reason why California isn't the joke of the country.

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:55 pm

Why California is not the joke of the country: (here goes)

- Without California, you'd lose the world's sixth strongest economy.

- Without California, you'd lose the best public school university system in the United State. (UC Los Angeles, UC Berkeley, UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara, etc.)

- Without California, you'd lose the agricultural center of the world in the Central Valley.

- Without California, you'd lose some of the world's best first class wines from places like Napa and Sonoma.

- Without California, you'd lose first class cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles. Despite some of your opinions, these are still considered globally to me top class places.

- Without California, you'd lose the greatest environmental diversity in nearly the entire world. That includes:
> The highest point in the contiguous U.S. (Mt. Whitney)
> The lowest point in the contiguous U.S. (Death Valley)
> Numerous National Parks (Death Valley, Joshua Tree, Yosemite, Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Redwood, and Lassen Volcano)
> Amazing marine life off the coast in places like Monterey bay
> World class skiing in the mountains of the Sierra Nevada (Mammoth).
> The largest living things on earth (Sequoias and Redwoods).
> etc. etc.

- Without California, you'd lose some of the best private schools and research centers in the entire world. (California Institute of Technology, Stanford University)

- Without California, you'd lose some of the worlds best medical and medical research facilities (UC San Francisco Medical School, Cedar Sinai Medical Center, City Of Hope Cancer Center, St. Mary's Medical Center)

- Without California, you'd lose the state with the state with the second lowest rate of smoking among the population (ahhhh, now that's something I miss).

- Without California, you'd lose some of the best airports in the world. (San Francisco International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport, Lindbergh Field in San Diego, Daugherty Field in Long Beach, etc.)

- All those movies you love to watch on the big screen, without California, you can kiss a majority of those goodbye.

- The majority of that high tech stuff you use in your everyday life, including computers, well without California to research and develop that kind of stuff, you can also kiss that goodbye.


I hope you all took the time to read my post, and appreciate the time I took to type it up. Those of you who think the U.S.A. would be better off without California should really rethink your comments, and perhaps open your minds a little bit more to what this state has to offer and contributes on a daily basis.

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[edit] Also, instead of locking this thread as suggested, can we just delete the posts that are showing signs of idiocy.

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RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger Hit By Egg At Speech

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:18 pm

Here's some more I just thought of:

- Without California, do you think Las Vegas could thrive and survive? (there's a place I would miss)

- Without California, you'd lose first class and ground breaking rollercoasters at Six Flags Magic Mountain (mentioned already, I know, but still really cool)

- Without California, you'd lose the Boeing 717 facility in Long Beach.

- Without California, you'd lose a state which has gone from 37th to the top 1/3 in public school education (believe it or not, that was under Gray Davis)

- Without California, you'd lose...







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