fritzi
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Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 4:37 pm

Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh Passed away at 05:29 this morning after she had been stabbed yesterday. She was one of Swedens most liked and respected politicians.


She leaves a husband and two children.


September 11th has been made into a day of sorrow for Sweden aswell


May she rest in peace.

 
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 4:48 pm

This is very tragic. The last report I heard was that she was in critical but stable condition, so I was hoping she would make it.

My condolances.
 
eddgge
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:09 pm

Terrible story. This is a big threat to the democracy as well as the open community that Sweden really is today.
I hope they catch the perpetrator faster than quick.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:31 pm

It is a major shock to all of us here in Finland, too. Everyone here at work are feeling deep sadness because of what has happened. All the strength to Anna's family and the people in Sweden.

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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:30 pm

Anna Lindh was a deeply valued member of the international community. Her strong and passionate committment to world peace and the prosperity of Sweden will never be forgotten.

Rest In peace. And my condolances go to her family, and The Konungariket Sverige.

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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:48 pm

I don't know what to say, I'm speechless, this so sad...so if you want to be a politician and try actively to do something for your country, you have to give up any sort of private life and get surrounded by bodyguards...this world of ours can get so disgusting sometimes...!!
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DoorsToManual
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:50 pm

I am shocked. I thought she was recovering in hospital.

A sad day for Europe.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:59 pm

A sad day indeed, certainly a shock in Finland, because our socities are quite similar and we share the same values. I think that she was by far the best politician in Sweden, very respected in Finland.

I'm now trying to work, but it's very difficult to concentrate on anything.  Sad
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:12 pm

That is shocking news. Only a few hours ago I was reading that she was in a critical, but stable condition.

Condolences to the family, and I hope Sweden will be able to maintain its open society.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:19 pm

May her soul rest in peace and for those who bother, the election will be held.
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GDB
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:19 pm

Shocking for Sweden, even after the PM was killed in 1986.
That it is so shocking is ironically a tribute to those who have built such a stable society in the first place.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:33 pm

I understand that the PM was shopping in a public place, without body guards. Is it customary for EU leaders to not be accompanied by guards at all times when in public? In any event, this is a sad day for Sweden.
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:51 pm

Stretch8, she was the foreign minister and yes, she was alone with a friend.
A lot of people who done serious mistakes and I don´t think other countries are as slack with security as Sweden.



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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:51 pm

This was a very shocking news when I heard about it this morning.

I hope that the EURO-discussion was not the reason why she had to die, but in either case there was nothing that could just this awful happening.

I guess the best way for Sweden to show respect for this brave and honest politician is to say yes to the €uro on sunday.








Prime Minister Goeran Persson's statement on Anna Lindh:
http://www.sweden.se/templates/Article____6884.asp

Max
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:57 pm

Just learned the news 45 minutes ago or so, on the radio news. I'm shocked. Really shocked. And speechless.

My sincere condolences to those affected by this tragic event.
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:58 pm

Inside a department store...this can't be a random act of violence, can it? I have to believe that there is a motive, political or otherwise, especially with the euro referendum being held this weekend.

Condolences to the family and all of Sweden...
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:01 pm

Strech 8,
I don't think that any of the Nordic countries have bodybuards on the various ministers - except the PM. As I mentioned in the earlier thread, the Danish PM is even listed in the phone book! It's just not the nature of our citizens to physically attack the politicians - It has only happened on a few occasion before (ie. the Palme murder & the Danish PM being attacked with paint after sending troops to Iraq).
It used to be common to see the Queen of Denmark walking on her own, doing some minor shopping, but post 9/11/01 that has been less frequent. Her grandfather became well known for taking a daily horseride through the streets of Copenhagen during WW2.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:09 pm

A real shame, I thought her injuries werent life-threatening. My condolences to the citizens of Sweden  Sad

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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:16 pm

Stretch8, it depends on the country. As CPH-R said, for example in Scandinavia security is non-existing. It was the same in the Netherlands, where the PM rode on his bike to his office until Pim Fortuyn was muredered last year.

In Germany it would be impossible that a government member would just walk around without any security. For example when the chancellor walks from his office to the parliament (just 5 minutes), he's always surrounded by a circle of bodyguards plus incognito policemen. And the cars of the members of government are B7-safety cars. They have 24/7 security, as have well-known MPs.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:26 pm

Anna Lindh was one of few swedish politicians I really respected.
She died on September 11 too... So much sadness in one day... Horrible...
 Crying
My thoughts goes to her husband and their two sons.
May you rest in peace, Anna Lindh.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:30 pm

CPH-R,
I do not live in Scandinavia but since I am a frequent visitor there I can confirm what you said. If you want any kind of information on any person in the country [of Sweden at least] then you just go to the Police [Polis] and ask for information and you will get it.

Racko,
I flew TXL-DUS with Franz Müntefering last year and he was by himself (and also very rude...) all the time. So it is still possible in Germany.

Max

[Edited 2003-09-11 15:33:09]
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:43 pm

Thank you for the photos Godbless...she leaves a husband and young boy behind......just devastating.

The referendum will continue as stated already - perhaps this is what she would have wished.

 Crying
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:46 pm

DoorsToManual,
she's actually leaving 2 boys behind. Even worse!

Godbless,
but if you go to the Police and starts asking all sorts of questions on high profile politicians, I'm sure that the Police, at one point, will start asking you questions.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:52 pm

Shocking is the only word to describe it, i never expect random acts of violence like this to happen in a Scandanavian country like Sweden, let alone on a senior politician. I hope the Swedish government will change their approach when it comes to security for high ranking politicians. Tony Blair and Jack Straw are driven from Downing Street to the House of commons in armour plated, bomb and bullet proof Jaguars and Range Rovers, a mere 1 minute walk. When they step out of the car they are surrounded by MI5 and secret service bodyguards, you will NEVER see them on their own in public. I suppose the security culture is different in Sweden, maybe that will change now.

RIP to her.
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:56 pm

Tony Blair and Jack Straw are driven from Downing Street to the House of commons in armour plated, bomb and bullet proof Jaguars and Range Rovers, a mere 1 minute walk. When they step out of the car they are surrounded by MI5 and secret service bodyguards, you will NEVER see them on their own in public.

Amazing. In order to be leader of the UK (one of the world's free societies), you have to give up all your own freedom. Makes you wonder why anyone would want to be PM.

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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:12 pm

Arsenal@LHR I hope that something like that will not happen here, politicians must be close to the people, be able to talk to anyone who wishes out on the open street if so. They should not have to be surrounded by security every single second of their life, what is the point in that? Anna Lindh has herself said in interviews that she was glad for the open society we have here in Sweden and the other nordic countries, I doubt that she would have wanted to have security around her in her free time, unless there was any specific threats against her.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:21 pm

I understand what you're saying JoakimE, i wish British politicians were more close to their people like in Sweden. But the reality in some countries is very different, take the UK for example, there are people out there with very bad intentions motivated by many reasons, mainly political. And i would assume Tony Blair and George Bush are bigger targets for assasination attempts than the Swedish PM or foreign secretary. I'm sure Blair or Bush would rather live without the constand attention and security around them, but tha's the reality of the situation these days i'm afraid.

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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:26 pm

German member of government Renate Künast can be regularly seen in Berlin shopping without any security!!!!! People approach her, talk to her, even scream unpleasantries at her (witnessed this once on the Ku'damm myself, she was about to get some tea at the famous tea-shop)...and guess what, she answers! Probably the same approach as Lindh...just not prepared to give up her personal freedom.
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:43 pm

Well, we have to be careful about who exactly might need security or not. I am sure many members of the British or even EU parliament don't necessarily need security because they do not generally make high-profile decisions or appear on camera...so most people wouldn't even recognise him/her.

It is probably members of a cabinet that might need some security, including the head of state, PM, etc.

Not a criticism, just an observation.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:01 am

My deepest condolences to all the Swedes out there.  Sad

Any news on who the perp was and what was his motive?
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:24 am

As a child of Swedish parents, I too wish to add my condolences to all the Swedes, especially those who are members of this forum.

I was in that NK store last November during a visit to Stockholm...always felt very safe in the city...

Surprised that she didn't at least have one security person with her, even if it was common to be out in public.

Re Euro: I do HOPE that the Swedish crown will be kept...it's another part of my heritage that I don't want to lose...They should issue a special version of crown paper currency with her image as a tribute...but say TO to Euro!
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:19 am

It's far preferable for government figures not to have all the security paraphernalia that we see in other countries. Hopefully this will remain. In the UK it is only relatively recently that the idea of heavy security came in. I remember being able to walk up Downing Street as a kid and watch the PM come and go, it was the threat from the IRA that changed all of that. As soon as the politicians have to be protected, a little bit of the democracy dies as well, with the politicians becoming a step removed from the people. I truly hope Sweden can retain that closeness in the light of this tragedy.
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:57 am

My condolences to the swedish people and to her family.

A sad day for Europe, in addition to the rememberance of the 9/11 victims.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 3:24 am

A very sad day indeed for Sweden and its people. Only the neonazi are
happy. They call her a traitor!! Right wing extremists may be behind this
murder. The Swedish police authorities are blue eyed and seems to have
learned very little since 1986 when Prime Minister Olof Palme was murdered.

Anders
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 4:25 am

The Swedish police authorities are blue eyed and seems to have
learned very little since 1986 when Prime Minister Olof Palme was murdered.

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And now it looks like it's gonna be very hard to find the asshole (excuse my bad language, but that's exactly what he is). At first, they thought they had filmed him with the security cams in the mall, but those darn cams doesn't record anything...  Sad
All the police has is the actual knife, and a cap and a jacket believed to belong to the murderer.
Unfortunately, this case looks very much alike the Palme one, which they never have solved.  Crying
Let's hope the technical advancements can make a change, so the police can nail the bastard.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:12 am

Sorry to write this but how is it possible that a department store didn't close its doors after this terrible act?!? And that thay don't have recordable surveillance cameras?? Just makes me wonder... Ok, easy to say afterwards but anyway, why didn't anyone shout "CLOSE THE BUILDING"???

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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:50 am

How someone who just stabbed someone and wears a jacket full of blood can escape through a filled department store is beyond me, too.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:01 am

Well, Racko, the deed took place in the women´s clothing departement and most bystanders where females. Hard for them to stop a fit 180-185cm tall male
armed with a knife (the description of the killer).
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:34 am

My condolences to all the people of Sweden.

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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:46 am

To add to Banco's post, the situation in Northern Ireland meant a ramping up of UK political security, though it is still light compared to the US President's, it's all about the history.
Every former PM and Northern Ireland Secretary for 30 years now has a degree of protection, even in retirement, after a Tory MPs car was bombed and the MP killed by an INLA bomb in 1979, up went the security.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Fri Sep 12, 2003 3:26 pm

Sorry to write this but how is it possible that a department store didn't close its doors after this terrible act?!? And that thay don't have recordable surveillance cameras?? Just makes me wonder... Ok, easy to say afterwards but anyway, why didn't anyone shout "CLOSE THE BUILDING"???




I can imagine that cameras in a place like that are supposed to be just for monitoring if anyone steals anything. Hence there are probably recording cameras at the payment desk where a robbery would occur, not on the middle of the floor by the clothes or other stuff that are for sale. And it's always easy to be smart in hindsight. Even if someone would have shouted out to close the doors i can pretty much bet that it wouldn't have been in time to stop the perpetraitor. This was on the second floor too so that just adds to that.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:03 pm

BBC News is just reporting that the Swedish police have arrested someone in relation to the murder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3113034.stm
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:29 pm

Yes Skystar, the suspected killer is arrested.
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Skystar
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:15 pm

Now reports are saying noone has been arrested.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s947260.htm
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:21 pm

They took him , during the big soccer derby in Stockholm, he was watching the game at a pub.....
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Skystar
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:46 pm

Here is a link to a related article.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3114634.stm

I really hope the police yield results this time. I just find it sickening that any sane person could stab a mother whilst shopping, just seems ludicrous to me.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:46 pm

He´s insane, Swedish media has revealed that he been convicted for crimes 49 times during his 35 years on the planet and aren´t allowed to visit his parents due to the numerous crimes he commited against them, he´s a well known soccer hooligan who participated in many riots with other hooligans from
the same football club in Stockholm.
His father recognized him on the wanted picture and told the police.
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Skystar
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:00 pm

Is there much of a debate in Sweden about mental health now, as a result of the murder? For example, funding of mental health facilities - eg. homes to keep these people off the streets?

I believe a 5 year old was stabbed by a crazy person as well around the same time.
 
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RE: Swedish Foreign Minister Passed Away

Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:04 pm

More about slack laws, a 5-year old girl was stabbed to death by a psycho,
because of poor laws....
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