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Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:57 am

This story is from the Sydney Morning Herald, Australia's biggest broadsheet (and I would describe it as politically central, or maybe a fraction to the right of centre). It just really surprised me cos it makes the place sound far more dangerous than I thought, it's like a constant hail of RPG attacks, small arms and bombs. Not sure about the 8 dead reported in the first couple of paragraphs, I heard that 3 were killed today which is bad enough but not 8. Nonetheless, from this article, it sounds like full blown war, nothing less. I saw a piece on telly last night saying Iraq is having a mini-consumer boom cos everyone's buying stuff that was illegal under Saddam, namely satellite dishes and mobile phones, which sounded like a pretty good sign for a recovery. Now I'm reading about US proxies such as the new Iraqi police turning up outside the US-backed TV station with their throats cut. Hello? What the fuck's going on over there?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/18/1063625160267.html

Heavy casualties in attack on US convoy
September 19, 2003
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US forces took heavy casualties in a series of attacks on an American convoy in the town of Khaldiyah, west of Baghdad, witnesses said.

According to an unconfirmed report by Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television, eight American soldiers were killed.

The witnesses said a bomb exploded under a vehicle that caught fire with about 10 US soldiers inside. The rest of the convoy was pelted with rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) as it struggled to make its way to a nearby US base.

Local resident Mahmud Ali, 45, said he saw eight badly burned soldiers taken from the bombed vehicle, while Yussif Ali, 40, no relation, said he saw four. But there was no official confirmation of any deaths.

A deafening explosion was heard from the US base outside the town, where large stocks of munitions are stored. But there was no immediate word on the cause or the consequences.

Two Iraqi civilians were reported hurt in the attacks, witnesses said. But there was no word on how they were wounded.

The US military in Baghdad said it had no immediate report of the incident, which came amid a spate of attacks on US forces a day after a purported audiotaped message from Saddam Hussein exhorted Iraqis to continued resistance.

It also came with tensions high in the region, with US troops shooting dead a teenager late on Wednesday in Fallujah, 30 kilometres to the east, where they mistakenly killed nine Iraqi security men five days earlier.

Mahmud Ali said the convoy was hit while travelling through the town en route from Fallujah to Ramadi, two hotspot Sunni towns west of the capital.

"A bomb exploded under a troop transport. It caught fire. The remainder of the convoy tried to continue and was hit by rocket-propelled grenades 500 metres away," he said.

An American helicopter circled the area, apparently poised to evacuate the wounded but did not land, the witnesses said.

The Americans again cut off the road. Four or five vehicles continued on their way and came under more RPG fire four kilometres away, and another vehicle was set ablaze, said Yussif Ali.

The Americans sealed off the area and called in reinforcements.

In the northern city of Mosul, meanwhile, US troops continued to come under a series of grenade and rocket attacks that began shortly after midnight local time.

The US military confirmed one incident, saying that rockets hit the Civil Military Operations Centre office there late on Wednesday, damaging some vehicles and leaving two people slightly wounded.

A military spokesman also said a soldier of the 4th Infantry Division was wounded on Wednesday by a bomb in the town of Taji, 10 kilometres north of Baghdad. He did not give any details.

But Mosul residents reported a run of attacks that started shortly before midnight and targeted US troops at the entrance to the northern town, in front of a restaurant and at a hotel. They did not mention casualties.

The residents of Mosul, 400 kilometres north-west of Baghdad, said it was the first time they had seen such a spate of closely timed attacks on US forces since the Americans ousted Saddam in April.

They called the assaults a response to Wednesday's audiotape message.

A nine-vehicle US convoy was attacked with grenades and rockets about 11.30am at the southern entrance to Mosul, said local resident Mohammad Yunes, 45. He said US forces quickly sealed off the area and brought in reinforcements.

A short while earlier, attackers hurled a grenade at an American military vehicle stopped in front of a restaurant where some soldiers were eating near Mosul University, said Ibrahim Taqqa, an engineer. He sad US troops quickly surrounded the university.

Attackers using grenades and rocket-propelled grenades targeted a local hotel used by American troops shortly before midnight, staff at the hotel told AFP. They said some rooms were destroyed but provided no further details.

Two Iraqi policemen were found dead, their throats slit, on the sidewalk in front of the local US-supported television station around midnight, according to an employee of the station, Samir Abed Rabbo, 50.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:38 am

Cedarjet, your source is an Arab newspaper.....They make the National Enquirer look factual.

CNN is reporting three.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:56 am

your source is an Arab newspaper

Whoa. Australia turned Arab.... who knew!
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:59 am

Three deaths isn't exactly great either  Sad
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:59 am

Ummm you might want to actually read the second sentence of the story.....


According to an unconfirmed report by Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television, eight American soldiers were killed.

Doesn't sound like an Aussie source to me.


But of course I suppose even in Sydney dramatics mean higher newspaper sales.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:34 am

Doesn't sound like an Aussie source to me.

"Al-Arabiya Television" doesn't sound much like a newspaper to me either!  Big grin
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:56 am

Cedarjet, your source is an Arab newspaper.....They make the National Enquirer look factual.

*chuckle*
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:07 am

Cedarjet, your source is an Arab newspaper.....They make the National Enquirer look factual.

Another attempt to minimize the daily toll going on in Iraq, I see. So, L-188, are you saying it wasn't such a bad day because only 3 got killed?

And we could talk about "sources" that American papers have used-you know, the ones who were given the tip-offs to the WMD's during the war, that, to date, no one has found.
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:11 am

Thanks for chiming in Alpha 1. Your 2 euros are deposited. 3 deaths are not trivial by any stretch of the imagination, but in this global war on terrorism servicemen and women are in harms way every day.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:30 am

And we could talk about "sources" that American papers have used-you know, the ones who were given the tip-offs to the WMD's during the war, that, to date, no one has found.

It's realistic that this Arab newspaper is a partial (if not full) mouthpiece for whatever government funds it or allows it to publish, which raises the issue of credibility. There are no such American newspaper credibility issues.

Thanks for chiming in Alpha 1. Your 2 euros are deposited.

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Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:19 pm

It's realistic that this Arab newspaper is a partial (if not full) mouthpiece for whatever government funds it or allows it to publish, which raises the issue of credibility.

Gee, you could be very well talking about FOX. After all, one of their own employees the other day admitted that they were basically "foot soldiers for Bush." So that's the pot calling the kettle black, Yyz717. FOX is a walking example of rah-rah news in the U.S. Pretty hard to critisize other outlets for doing the same thing in their country.

CX747. You can keep the Euros. I wouldn't give 2 Euros for your thoughs on the issue. In fact, it seems you have none, just empty, useless rhetoric.

 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:47 pm

No I didn't say it wasn't a bad day.

But there is more to the story about what happened.

You know the news outlets don't publicise the good things that are happening.

Doing that wouldn't sell papers or ad time.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:56 pm

You know the news outlets don't publicise the good things that are happening.

Except for that "fair and balanced" FOX, of course, who will tell you everthing is just fine, because Bush is in charge. They'll tell you the good things that AREN'T happening.  Smile
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:58 pm

Gee, you could be very well talking about FOX. After all, one of their own employees the other day admitted that they were basically "foot soldiers for Bush."

Don't be silly. There is a HUGE difference between being the censored mouthpiece for some Arab dictatorship vs having a freely chosen pro-Bush editorial stance as does FOX.

it seems you have none, just empty, useless rhetoric.

Oh brother Alpha....as opposed to your non-rhetoric right????  Insane




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Fri Sep 19, 2003 2:05 pm

Actually I belive that it was Christina Ammananpour(spl?) that made the comments about Fox and the Bush adminstration the other day, and how they coluded to control CNN's coverage.

Which begs the question? How could FOX control CNN.

Besides, I'll have to look for the study, but it turns out that CBS not FOX had the most pro-war coverage....ABC was the most anti-war in the US.

Just came out a couple of days ago......It was on the radio.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:52 pm

You guys crack me up, you know this death toll crap that the news is overinflating and turning Iraq into a slaughter ground is so far fetched, its unbelievable. Losing any troops is a tragic thing but lets put it in perspective, in Vietnam we were losing a dozen if not hundreds per day, how about Korea maybe a hundred or two a day, WWII thousands of US personel were being killed. Also we lose more soldiers in large training excercises per year than we have lost in Iraq (pssst it just doesnt get reported as much ) you know, its not as sensational. But i dont here you guys screaming and crying over those guys. You guys just have your silly little Bush bashing agenda and will use this as some reason to bash this administration. And i know i know i'm just a "Blind ignorant Bush supporting robot who has know free thought of my own, im just preaching the party line, Im just a Clinton hater" or my favorite " I'm just a complete moron, who blindly follows Bush and the republican party blah blah blah" (thats somewhat what Alpha or Sebolina will state) to that effect.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:53 pm

death toll crap

Speaks for itself.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:56 pm

Don't be silly. There is a HUGE difference between being the censored mouthpiece for some Arab dictatorship vs having a freely chosen pro-Bush editorial stance as does FOX.

Why is there a difference? FOX deliberately bends things to the GOP party line-they don't need censorship to do that, do they? You can scream about a "censored mouthpiece" all you want, but when FOX's main anchor in the off-year elections tells you, on the air that FOX had a big hand in the GOP Congressional wins, censorship doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot!
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:03 pm

Great Post Galaxy5.

When I first went into the service, oh ten years ago, I remember being told that fewer US troops died during Desert Sheild then would have died in traffic accidents or at home during the same period.

I have no reason to believe that currently it is any different.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:07 pm

Great Post Galaxy5.

Yes, what a GREAT post, L-188. Nothing of value in there, just whining, like you are, because someone dares to critisize this almost God-like President we have, right. Stop trivializing the deaths of our servicemen. They've died in a war that shouldn't have been fought, and that has no exit strategy. And you think Bush deserves RESPECT for this, L-188? God, you're lost, brutha.
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:11 pm

Galaxy brought up a point I had forgotten about.

That is why I mentioned it was a great post.

And Alpha, don't ever accuse me of trivializing the servicemen that have died again. I will lose my temper. I used to be one of those guys and no, I haven't forgotten
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:16 pm

And Alpha, don't ever accuse me of trivializing the servicemen that have died again. I will lose my temper. I used to be one of those guys and no, I haven't forgotten.

I don't give a shit if you lose your temper, L-188. I lost my temper when this dishonorable man sent those guys into a war they shouldn't have been asked to fight. You trivialize it by comparing it to traffic deaths. And you trivialize it simply to kiss this mans butt. Go ahead, lose your temper. I lose mine when EVERY DAY I have to read about another young man who won't come home because of this "honorable" president.
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:29 pm

When you speak of dishonorable men, I am positive you speak of Saddam.

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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:36 pm

When you speak of dishonorable men, I am positive you speak of Saddam.

He's not the dishonorable man who started this war, L-188. George W. Bush, this supposedly "good Christian", is the dishonorable man I'm talking about. He has no honor in him whatsoever. Now, lose your temper. I really don't give a damn.
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:38 pm

No, I am pretty sure Saddam started this war........

BTW...This was didn't start this spring.

It started say 12 years earlier.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:43 pm

No, I am pretty sure Saddam started this war........

Now you're just a lair, L-188. Did Saddam cross into Kuwiat that we don't know about? Did he launch missiles at U.S. before we invaded? What did he do that he started the war.

You're a smart guy, but you know this is just an outright lie, and you've put yourself in the category of willfully blind apologists like B757300. George Bush launched an invasion of a soverign nation, without provocation from that nation. And your little lie trivializes the death of those young men and women even more. It was Bush who started the war, and it's totally dishonorable of you to say otherwise.

P.S. The '91 war ended in a Cease Fire, remember? And since we haven't found any WMD's, it is the U.S. who violated the Cease Fire, not saddam. Very sad, that you've become so blindly subservient to this dishonorable man.
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:47 pm

As opposed to being a willful detractor, which is apparently more hip?

The war started in 1991, they took a break off and on again for 12 years while Saddam did everything he could to thart the implementation of the cease fire agreement.

At what point do you say that is enough and remove him?

Fact is he broke the cease fire by not complying with the post 1991 resolutions that required him to cooperate with inspectors.
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:57 pm

FOX deliberately bends things to the GOP party line-they don't need censorship to do that, do they?

Don't be silly Alpha. It's simply called editorial freedom. There is no forced requirement that FOX support Bush.

He's not the dishonorable man who started this war, L-188. George W. Bush, this supposedly "good Christian", is the dishonorable man I'm talking about.

Depends on your viewpoint. You could argue that Saddam started the war by being a regional tyrant who became a reasonable threat to the US with his defiance of UN sanctions. Unless, you're simply a rabid anti-Bush zealot...in which case, you're right....Bush started it.  Insane

Go ahead, lose your temper. I lose mine when EVERY DAY

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Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:05 pm

As opposed to being a willful detractor, which is apparently more hip?

I'm not into blindly following a leader, simply because of his ideology, L-188. I'd rather be a willful detracter than a blind follower, as you're showing yourself to be.

Fact is he broke the cease fire by not complying with the post 1991 resolutions that required him to cooperate with inspectors.

Wrong. Breaking the cease fire would have required that he be hiding WMD's. Where are all these WMD', that YOUR honorable President said that were there? If so, who is guility of breaking the cease-fire? We are, sad to say. But that's ok, it's worth all those young men and women coming home in caskets to put Saddam in his place.

We know Alpha, we know. Can't you be a little more laid back about things?

Maybe you don't take dishonorable acts as something to be upset about, or the deaths of American servicemen, who should be home with their families today. I'm a little less "laid back" about that.

Don't be silly Alpha. It's simply called editorial freedom.

It's called ass-kissing. It's simply covered by "editorial freedom."
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:08 pm

Not having WMD's was only part of it.

He also need to have the international community VERIFY that he didn't have any. That he did not allow to happen.

It's like a breathlyzer, failure to submit to one is counted as a positive result.


Would you take Saddam at his word?
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:12 pm

You could argue that Saddam started the war by being a regional tyrant who became a reasonable threat to the US with his defiance of UN sanctions.

But we didn't go to war because Saddam became a "reasonable" threat. We went to war because Saddam was supposedly an "imminent" threat.

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Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:14 pm

Not having WMD's was only part of it.

Blind apologists like you just fail to see-and remember (it's that amnesia going around again), that Bush made WMD's THE CENTERPIECE for his push for war against Iraq. That's why he wanted 1441 passed; that's why he pounded on the issue for months afterwards; that's why Powell, who has, in my view, severely damaged his long-term reputation by tying himself with these lunatics, held that dramtic presentation on WMD's in the UN just before the war. Why must you deny this, L-188? Look at the President's own words and actions before the war-it was WMD's, stupid!! Why now, since none are there, and the reliability of the intel, or the honesty of the administration is being questioned, do you blindly shrug it off?

He also need to have the international community VERIFY that he didn't have any.

We've verified it, haven't we? At the cost of like 175 American lives, that you so margianlize, and the lives of thousands of Iraqi, which you care not a bit about. All in the name of a lie.

Would you take Saddam at his word?

Hell no, but neither do I take George W. Bush at his word anymore. He's misled the American people about WMD', about nukes, about Iraq being a threat to anyone, so why should I believe HIM? And Saddam doesn't affect me, so he's not the concern President Bush is to me.
 
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:36 pm

Instead of us debating based on speculation, let's turn the UN's very own
reports to discuss WMD. I'm citing these excerpts directly from the website
of the UN Monitoring Verification and Inspection Commission
UNMOVIC http://www.unmovic.org/

"We have identified the location of some artillery shells and containers
with mustard gas. "

"During the period 1991-1998, Iraq submitted many declarations called full,
final and complete. Regrettably, much in these declarations proved
inaccurate or incomplete or was unsupported or contradicted by evidence. In
such cases, no confidence can arise that proscribed programmes or items have
been eliminated.

Such was the situation at the end of 1998, when inspectors left Iraq. The
many question marks are documented in a report to the Council early in 1999
(S/1999/94) and in the so-called Amorim Report (S/1999/356). To these
question marks, nearly four years without any inspection activity have been
added."

"I now turn to some inconsistencies and issues that will need clarification.
In the biological area, Iraq previously provided, in its submission to the
Amorim panel in February 1999, a table concerning the additional import of
bacterial growth media. Growth media was used by Iraq in the production of
anthrax and other biological warfare agents. This table has been omitted
from the current Declaration and the reasons for the omission need to be
explained."

"In the civilian chemical area, Iraq has declared that it has repaired and
installed equipment that had previously been destroyed under UNSCOM
supervision, under Council resolution 687 (1991). The equipment is now at a
civilian chemical plant and used for the production of chlorine and other
chemicals."

"The issues that have previously been identified include the unilateral
destruction of indigenously produced "training" missile engines, the
accounting for 50 conventional warheads declared to be unilaterally
destroyed but not recovered, 550 mustard gas shells declared lost after the
Gulf War, declarations concerning the production and weaponization of the
nerve agent VX, the declared unilateral destruction of biological warfare
agents and Iraq's declaration concerning the material balance of bacterial
growth media."

"While in most cases issues are outstanding because there is a lack of
supporting evidence, in a few cases, there is information in our possession
that would appear to contradict Iraq's account. At this point, I will only
mention that there are indications suggesting that Iraq's account of its
production and unilateral destruction of anthrax during the period between
1988 and 1991, may not be accurate. "

These are not my words, the President's words, the Sec. of Defense's words,
the Sec. of State's words or Tony Blair's words. These are Hans Blix's own
words in his capacity as an agent of the UN.

Why we keep debating this is beyond me. The world community - through the
UN - declared that the weapons existed and that Iraq had a history of lying
to the UN, to the US and to the world community.

So Steaksauce, when you insist on claiming that the international community hasn't found evidence of a WMD program, the world community's organization empowered to do this disagrees with you.
 
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Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:05 am

It's called ass-kissing. It's simply covered by "editorial freedom."

Good Alpha, you're making progress. You have now accepted the right of FOX to freely support the Bush administration editorially. Congrats.

At the cost of like 175 American lives, that you so margianlize,

Alpha, you've got quite a double standard going on there. You claim to care about the 175 US soldiers who were killed in Iraq.....I think those deaths are just a(nother) convenient excuse for you to dump on Bush. You live in CLE.....the murder rate in CLE is about 175/year.....but I have not seen you too concerned about that....I guess because Bush can't be "blamed".

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Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:10 am

Alpha, you've got quite a double standard going on there. You claim to care about the 175 US soldiers who were killed in Iraq.....I think those deaths are just a(nother) convenient excuse for you to dump on Bush. You live in CLE.....the murder rate in CLE is about 175/year.....but I have not seen you too concerned about that....I guess because Bush can't be "blamed".

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Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:14 am

It has to be worrying when a Canadian likes the American president more than an American.

Worrying for who 777236ER? Rabid anti-Americans such as yourself? Perhaps.
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Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:16 am

What? I'm not a "rabid anti-American" idiot. Posting complete and utter nonsense such as that should just prove to anyone reading this thread how moronic you are.

I'm not anti-American.

If you like and defend the US this much, why are you living in Canada?
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Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:19 am

If you like and defend the US this much, why are you living in Canada?

Simple. I'm Canadian. I have the freedom to admire and support the US President if I so choose. Why does that offend you?

idiot.....how moronic you are

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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:22 am

Simple. I'm Canadian. I have the freedom to admire and support the US President if I so choose. Why does that offend you?

It doesn't offend me, it just seems strange to me that you'll defend the US to a point where a lot of American on here don't.

Emotional, aren't we?

Of course I am, I'm not anti-American. It annoys me when anyone who disagrees with you, or comes from the wrong continent is immediately branded anti-American.
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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:27 am

Since he is in Canada, his opinions don't matter a bit.
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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:29 am

it just seems strange to me that you'll defend the US to a point where a lot of American on here don't.

Then that shows how little you know about Canada & our close economic & social relationship with the US.

Emotional, aren't we?

Of course I am


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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:31 am

Then that shows how little you know about Canada & our close economic & social relationship with the US.

Me finding it odd that you defend America where Americans do not shows im ignorant about your economic and social relationship?! You really do have a knack of spinning what anyone says to fit your agenda!

For what it's worth, the UK probably has a better friendship with the US. After all, we've ALWAYS hated the French. Canada on the other hand has whole regions of French-speakers. Sacre bleu!

I'm glad you agree.

I'm glad that you're glad.
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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:44 am

Me finding it odd that you defend America where Americans do not shows im ignorant about your economic and social relationship

Correct. It shows you're ignorant. No country has more economic & social ties to the US than Canada, which makes a significant proportion of Canadians very pro-American. Including me.

After all, we've ALWAYS hated the French. Canada on the other hand has whole regions of French-speakers.

Charming. You sound like a real bridge-builder.  Insane



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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:46 am

which makes a significant proportion of Canadians very pro-American. Including me.

There's nothing wrong with being pro-American, but aren't there limits? Supporting America where a lot of Americans don't support their own country seems to be a bit extreme.

Charming. You sound like a real bridge-builder.

It was a joke. You need a sense of humour.
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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:31 am

There's nothing wrong with being pro-American, but aren't there limits?

So, you're suggesting there should be limits for how much non-Americans should support the US govt? Oh man.....now I've heard everything. For what it's worth, I am critical of the US on certain issues.

Supporting America where a lot of Americans don't support their own country seems to be a bit extreme.

"a bit extreme" is an oxymoron. Anyway, it's called freedom of speech.

You need a sense of humour.

Like yours I suppose? *chuckle* no thanks.....
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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 4:48 am

"You know the news outlets don't publicise the good things that are happening."

What are the good things, about a war?

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RE: Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?

Sat Sep 20, 2003 6:18 am

Well, at least Cedarjet's topic title appropriately included a question mark "....8 US Dead Today ?". That, of course, has not helped the following conversation to keep from deteriorating as per almost written rule that one must bash and degrade, or anoint and revere, depending on their personal feelings. Like it or not, it is a war, declared over or not. Like it or not, it's happening, whether you believe (know?) it was/is just, a fraud, or whatever. As far as wars (or conflicts down at the corner of 6 mile road and Plymouth in Detroit on a Saturday night, for that matter) go, the casualty toll is quite low and to use each and every causualty as a podium to screech and whine is a not only a bit hysterical, but it's also a bit stupid (unless of course, you calculate the value of such as ammunition to justify your own opinions). Seems to me, Galaxy5's reply addresses the topic best...like it or not...jack



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