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BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:58 am

In Berlin, a man drove away with a stolen Z4.
But not for long. Eyewitnesses called the police, which easily won the following pursuit - driving a VW.
A Volkswagen.

That let's me think BMW should show consideration and redesign the Z4.
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:07 am

Maybe the guy who stole the car didnt know how to drive? I wouldnt go so far as redesigning it, I think its a great car with great features. So i dont think they should redesign the car because of a stupid guy who stole the car and got caught by the police.
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:08 am

That's a real slap in the face of VW! VW's are better looking than the new BMW's.  Big grin

The Z4 looks interesting in a couple of colours, but I'm not that impressed by it. It lacks cohesion in the design. However, I understand it's selling quite well, so maybe they got this one right.
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Sat Sep 20, 2003 4:45 am

Redesign a whole car becasue some idiot made a mistake?

Uhhhh. I don 't think so.
 
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Sat Sep 20, 2003 5:16 am

Good observations (partially) Captaingomes! The two iterations of the BMW Z cars (are they Bangles' seeped dreams?) look as though they ought to have Donald Duck masks supplied as standard equipment for the drivers.

I'm not a flag-waving fan of J Mays, but at least he accomplished a more commendable effort with the "new" beetle....jack
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:43 am

First of all, Volkswagen is no longer just the maker of the old Beetle. Some of them go like stink.

Secondly, some drivers are better than others. If the guy stole a manual-trans. car and was used to autos, it would be easy to catch up.

Thirdly, The Z4 was not meant to be a supercar. It is a modestly priced (for a BMW) sports car more in the tradition of the MGB than Ferrari. With the biggest engine, it is 225 hp in a 1400 kg frame - a fun ratio, but no necksnapping. I've driven a Z4 3.0, and it is a blast to drive, but it's not an extreme car. Maybe that will change in a year or two when the M-version or a V-8 version comes out (or has nobody else noticed that there is quite a bit of empty space under that long hood).

As far as the styling is concerned, I like it. It is a much more masculine looking car than the Z3, which I found very feminine. It certainly was a big hit with women.

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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Sat Sep 20, 2003 8:18 am

I disagree. The Z4 is the only new car BMW has designed lately that doesn't look like a tragic mistake. In other words, it's not an eyesore like the other new ones have been.


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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:21 am

O.k., the pursuit driving actually happened, but as for "show consideration and redesign the car" - well, I was kidding. Pardon my weird sense of humor.
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:30 pm

One of my buddy's is BMW lease manager..he drives a fairly sedate 540 (auto..not manual). He returned it to the dealer in anticipation of getting his new 2004 model...so he's beem assigned a variety of cars off the lot to drive in the interim. I've been a mooch and have test driven quite a few. One of the pleasant surprises was the 3.0 Z4. While the styling is a little squirrely for me..it's decent performer--pretty much a roller skate with a rocket attached. It's a huge improvement over the Z3. The M version will be wild with 321 horses (a Porsche beater...).

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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:34 pm

My sister got the Z4 3.0 for graduation in May. She got it with a stick, and it beats the hell out of my 330Ci convertible. Same engine, but her's is a much lighter car, and a lot more fun to drive. Though, I still prefer my car to her's for its ride. Her's is too damn rough for me.

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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:36 pm

I dig the styling of Bangle and Co. the Z4 got away from them a little bit though, but I like it.

The thing seems to me that on a small car, somehow they jammed a ton of lines, angles and flares into and it works relatively well.

Try that on a big car and you have UGLY city. It isn't perfect, but the style works because it is compact enough to be seen as one unit, not a gathering of confusing lines and curves.

Again, it's not perfect, but it looks smart and drives better than the Z3, and it's distinctive.

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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:58 pm

Ual747 wrote: "My sister got the Z4 3.0 for graduation in May." Fine; I hope she got the Daisey Duck mask instead of the Donald Duck mask. Great chickey-poo car.

BlatantEcho wrote wrote: "...(Z4 styling) works relatively well." My point exactly...RELATIVELY well. But relative to what? It's hard to design a good looking suit for a dwarf. Best forgo the angles, gimmicks and convoluted surface development to the Pontiac or JGW stylists...Jack
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:21 pm

"But relative to what?"

I plainly stated that it works well on a small car compared to the same lines ellongated onto a larger car.

I said "Try that on a big car and you have UGLY city." the inference of course being on the Z4, it looks ok.

That's what it's "relative" to.

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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:30 pm

Donald and Daisy Duck? WTF?

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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:32 pm

I disagree, George. The Z4 is too small an envelope to throw all that crap onto surface-wise. Now, I'm not saying that you could up-scale Xerox the Z4 styling, per se, onto the size of a Jaguar Saloon and have a perfect styling statement, but all that convoluted mish-mash of gimmicky ideas squashed into the Z4 would, in fact, be visually less forced and offensive on a more generous proportion...Jack
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:56 pm

Ual747 wrote: "Donald and Daisy Duck? WTF?" Sorry, Phil, I seem to fall into my (retired) auto designer "terminology" when bantering about cars. In the old Donald Duck comic strips and cartoons, he and Daisy were always driving a, well, Donald Duck "cartoon" car. So, whenever we (the auto guys) see a cartoon car, like the BMW Z3 or Z4, we simply infer that the car should have a Donald Duck mask for the driver as standard equipment. Kinda like if you were driving a Trabant or a Skoda.

It's sort of like calling a shitty little gnome car being designed for Mickey Rooney and his pet gerble as opossed to a tall, ungainly crap-box being designed for Abe Lincoln and his pet giraffe. You get the idea.

NOW! That's not to say that WE (the infallable captains of industry know-it-all gurus) haven't produced our share of Donald Duck and Daisy Duck cars. We have. However, NONE of them were done on MY shift! ...Jack
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RE: BMW Should Consider Redesigning The Z4

Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:44 am

I agree with the comment above about the Z4 being the best of the new "Banglish" language being spoken in Munich. I have a (now) classic E39/5 series, and will keep it for many years.

I think BMW's problems these days are not sheet metal design, but overly complicated driver-input systems (such as the horrific Idrive on the 7, apparently dumbed-down for the new 5). Quality control on new models also has never been a strong suit for BMW. One should wait until mid-life of any particular model to lay out the princely sums that BMW demands these days.
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