racko
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Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:56 am

*lol* - that's all I have to say about it. At first you would think they didn't have elections in Bavaria, but rather in the GDR  Big grin

Here are the estimated results of the election of the Bavarian parliament:

CSU: 62%
SPD: 19%
Greens: 8%
FDP: 4%

Actually, the result is so undoubtable, not even the legendary ARD forecast can change anything  Big grin

As the FDP didn't cross the 5% border to join the parliament, the CSU will rule for the next 5 years with a 2/3 majority and basically against an opposition which lost the few rights an opposition has. Remember, the CSU's leader is Edmund Stoiber (Scatman Edi), the guy who lost the federal elections vs. chancellor Schröder last year.

Oh, and with this election, the last few doubts that the next German president will come from the CDU/CSU have been erazed.
 
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:10 am

No surprises here...
Kind of scary how they can even change the constitution with their majority! Plus a whole lot of other stuff they can do without anybody having a say!
On the other hand, maybe a result like this is what Germany needs in the federal election so the government can finally get things done without the opposition blocking everything, as they do now.
But then this would give too much power to too few people.
What do other people think of this result?

[Edited 2003-09-21 19:14:33]
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:25 am

What a result, simply unbelievable  Wow!.

I hope that the SPD woke up when they saw it!

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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:29 am

When I first saw it, I thought "Thank God, no 2/3 majority!!!" But then, I looked at the results of some of the small parties, and stopped cheering.

No wonder, though, that Kind Edmund won - why focus on state issues when you can win by nothing but attacking the chancellor? I hope some tough times for Bavaria are ahead; maybe that would show that such majorities are not a good thing.

Anyhow, at least we won't have to talk about democracy when speaking about issues from that state, during the next years.
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:36 am

On one side, a strong hand is needed for reforms...
But on the other side, I think the CSU are the wrong people to do it.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:43 am

4% for the FDP?
2.4%, dear Racko, 2.4%!
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:51 pm

One of the CSU's strengths is that they always have been able to go ahead with general reforms in Bavaria and also internal reforms within their party - and the result of this policy is that they won the elections so impressively - across all social classes and age groups.
2/3 majority or not - they won't start to rewrite the constitution in critical issues or start building a fence around Bavaria (though I personally would prefer that  Laugh out loud ). But I hope they can put some more pressure on the government in Berlin.

But never forget that the chaos in Berlin did not exclusively cause such a good result. Maybe that brought 10%, but not more. It's just a fact that many things in Bavaria are just better - employment rate, crime rate, education (as shown in PISA) and so on. People know that and that's why they vote for CSU. Sure, Stoiber is not solely responsible for all of the state's success, but he and his party have been able to maintain our high standards for a long time and that's not easy in these days.

Instead attacking Stoiber or his party for that good result some poeple should rather think carefully about the reasons.


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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:46 am

Slightly off-topic, but whatever happened to that journalist who accused Schroeder of dying his hair? Didn't the Chancellor threaten to have the poor bloke arrested?
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:48 am

You can be arrested for making false allegations about a politicians hair do?  Confused
 
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:50 am

Schröder won that comedy round. The court decided the journalist may not any longer claim Schröder would be dying his hair. Schröder was so highly interested in winning the issue because he had feared that people might think someone who dyes his hair could probably also lie in other issues...

Well, but that's Schröder. He is more interested in his personal appearance than trying to rescue our country before it totally gets out of control...


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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:25 pm

And againn bad news reach me while on vacation.
There is no excuse for this. The CSU/CDU is as wrong as wrong can be therefore voting for them is just the same!!!

As for everything is better in Bavaria: the unemployment rate is climbing there too (and in fact faster than in other states) and the education is of an unfair structure, in Bavaria your education is closely tied with your social (read: money) status.


No excuse!!! I am outraged at me fellow countrymen (well, Bavarians are not Germans after all  Big grin!!!
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:50 pm

Well, it's Bavaria. I like to think of it as the Texas of Germany and of Edi Stoiber as our version of Dubya.  Big grin

Not a result to be scared about, it would be more of a landslide result if the CDU would score 60ish percent north of the Weisswurstaequator. Big grin



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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:53 pm

>>>in Bavaria your education is closely tied with your social (read: money) status.

Oh come on, this is simply not true: Abitur (or even a university degree) for everybody is an ideological utopia.
People have different intellectual abilities, they must get the appropriate education. I´ve seen too many kids drop out of the Gymnasium because overambitious parents wanted them to have Abitur, no matter what - after lost years, which would have been better spent at Real- or Hauptschule.


In order to not stray off-topic too much: remember that the absolute number of votes for the CSU remained basically unchanged. So it´s not that much of a victory for them, rather a defeat for the SPD. It´s really a shame to have a 50-something percentage of participation.

I just hope the CDU/CSU won´t draw the wrong conclusions from this, namely letting Stoiber run for Chancellor again. He is simply unelectable in the North and in the East.

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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:19 pm

Sunday was a great day! Too bad the CSU is only active in Bavaria because I would go for them anyday. No matter what people say that is the only party that is in power for a period of 40 years and still have the absolute top-notch results in basically every [political] sector. And if he would give it a try again in 2006 I would for sure support him again.

I must say it is very interesting to read what certain people say about him...
Maybe Stoiber is just simply "überqualifiziert", if I look who manages to become Bundeskanzler I do feel confirmed in my thought... Be a clown and you will rule Germany...

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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:21 pm

Oh, I haven’t realized that my social status is so high and that I obviously have so much money…with Bavarian Abitur and only one year prior to getting my Master degree at a Bavarian university…I should check my bank account, probably I have always missed some 00000s…
thanks Stratofish for telling me what’s going on. How long have you lived in Bavaria and how long have you enjoyed Bavaria’s education system to be able to rate it? Education in bavaria is not more expensive than elsewhere in Germany…but it’s quality is better as PISA shows…

Of course unemployment rates have increased in Bavaria…with such a disastrous economic situation in Germany that cannot totally be avoided. Federal politics do show effects in the long term. But the rates here are much better than in most other parts of Germany…I know, Baden-Württemberg is still ahead…and come on, all the ones who always talk about increasing unemployment in Bavaria: have employment figures improved elsewhere in Germany so much? Right, they haven’t. Therefore the difference remains.

Oh, and as far as the participation is concerned: the figure wasn’t much different from other elections in the last years.


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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:37 pm

I had to work in Munich quite often during the last months, and actually I really liked it there. I can't judge the education, but just from the point of spending the time and working there I indeed had the feeling that life in bavaria was a bit better than for example in Frankfurt. One example that always amazed me where the S-Bahnen: In Frankfurt old ET420 with scratches on almost any window, in Munich almost only ET423 with very vew windows scratched. Integration of foreigners seems to work much better there, too. You see very few of those Turkish gangs you better not look too long at there, while they are a frequent view in Frankfurt.
 
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:22 am

I certainly hope Stoiber will not be running for chancellor again - that way, he'd be taking away an option from me.

I simply wouldn't vote for him because everything he stresses is Bavarian; from his suits and his wife's dresses to education policies. Just name a thing Bavarian and he'll say it's good.

The other way around, I'd be partly embarassed if Schröder stressed all the time that he's from Lower Saxony. I live in the southern part of that state, and there's certainly not much that could keep me here. I just don't like rural areas where everyone knows everyone, and the "coolest" (read: largest) event in town for the whole year can be a festivity with Patrick Lindner as headliner... *shudder*!
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RE: Sunday Night Comedy: Elections In Bavaria

Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:21 pm

Fact is if you look at the figures there is a close connection of the income of parents and the educational status of their children. Since I am in Australia at the moment I cannot produce the exact numbers, but I am sure I will be reminded later and maybe I will be able to present you a SPSS generated graphic then.

It is also a conservative tradition to support an elite with few mwmbers of high education and income.
The IMF has recently complained about the low nuber of students with highest school deegrees or university degrees wich is lower than in most European states. Do I hear a bell ring there???

Udo, while I know we will probably never agree on anything, it would be nice if you could just counter my words with facts if you think they're untrue, instead of trying to question my credibility.

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