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What If The U.S. Was Not A Superpower?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:32 pm

I would like to ask all of you to post your opinion on what the world would be like today if the U.S., since the end of the Cold War, had retreated to its own borders, withdrawing from most of the military alliances it was in, and basically just minded its own business.

Would the world be better off or worse off. What would Korea look like? What about the Middle East? Yugoslavia? Africa? Russia? China? Etc...

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RE: What If The U.S. Was Not A Superpower?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:57 pm

Well, you have to define the extent of "withdrawal". Do you mean strictly in military terms, or more?

A lot of the grievances levied at the US concern "cultural imperialism" which has nothing to do with tanks or planes.

I know the jist of your question: it's a "put-up-or-shut-up" challenge to the anti-Americans on this forum with the aim of trying to demonstrate how much "good" the US has done in the theatres you mention....Kuwait etc.

However, I don't think they'll bite. Convincing arguments can be made for all your arguments that the US is/was acting exclusively in its own interests, and therefore why should anyone care if they didn't act?

To start: Kuwait. Had you let Saddam invade in 1990, yes, Kuwait would be part of Iraq. But Saddam would be just another Middle East dictator to buy oil off: like the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia you happily trade with. In addition, a lack of such overt US support for Israel might increase your reputation in the Arab world.......
 
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RE: What If The U.S. Was Not A Superpower?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:04 pm

I get the feeling that the world would be a much different place, but unlike some US detractors here, I don't think it would be a better place.
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RE: What If The U.S. Was Not A Superpower?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:39 pm

Eg777er,

Well, you have to define the extent of "withdrawal". Do you mean strictly in military terms, or more?

That's a good question - I should have made that more clear. I certainly mean military, where the U.S. would withdraw its troops and bases from everywhere outside U.S. territory.

Economically, it would have to be on a level playing field with the rest of the world. All countries work to promote their own industries in export markets, by working out bilateral double taxation treaties, for example. Jacques Chirac tries to sell Airbuses wherever he goes. The Indian government works to sell its IT sector. The Japanese government works to allow favorable relations with countries that may provide its industries with raw materials. So assume a generally similar level of involvement by the U.S. government.

know the jist of your question: it's a "put-up-or-shut-up" challenge to the anti-Americans on this forum with the aim of trying to demonstrate how much "good" the US has done in the theatres you mention....Kuwait etc.

I did not at all mean it as a loaded question. It is a bit of a challenge however - a challenge to try to come up with reasonable projections, looking from 1990 forwards, concerning what the world would be like today. Would Israel still exist, for example?. If not, what will happen to all the Jews there?

The theaters I've mentioned are simply a few examples of places where U.S. influence has been felt. For better or worse? Would militant Islam be a threat to sectarian society, as it is today, or would they be quiet and happy?

It's not a loaded question. Afterwards, we might start a new thread asking what would the world be like if the U.S. retired (as defined above) today - or, let's say a complete isolationist is elected president in 2004.

Charles
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RE: What If The U.S. Was Not A Superpower?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:45 pm

How far do you want to go back? the US's superpower status was born after ww2 in reaction to the creation of the communist USSR. i suppose the fall of the ottoman empire led to that. i suppose that even if we 'kill' a key figure in history, life will find a way to get back into an equilibrium.
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RE: What If The U.S. Was Not A Superpower?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:05 pm

Lehpron,

I said since the end of the cold war - circa 1990.

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RE: What If The U.S. Was Not A Superpower?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:14 pm

I do not think it would have made a difference. There are too many factors for the US to loose the cold war that can be argued for it. Granted if it was the case the only gaurantee i can figure is that cuba would not have sanctions, and we'd be less likely a target for terroism cuz there is another superpower in the spotlight.

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