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Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 6:17 am

I'm not a baseball fan, so I have no idea.  Confused

And what is the curse of the bambino?
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 6:31 am

People dont like the Yankees because they are successful--its as simple as that. People like to argue that the reason why the Yanks are so successful is because they have such a high payroll...that is true, but only to a certain extent. The Yankees minor league system is amazing and has developed the majority of the Yankees' stars.
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 6:38 am

They stole our Bambino and made us suck forever! Waaaaaaaaaah!

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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 6:46 am

We hate them I guess because they have dominated the sport for the past 80 years or so, and it's more fun to root for the underdog, everybody get's tired of someone who wins all the time.

BTW- the Curse of the Bambino is as follows. The last time the Red Sox won a World Series title was 1918, against the Cubs. Star pitcher of that series was a pitcher named "Babe" Ruth. Two years later in 1920, the Red Sox sold him to the New York Yankees, and have yet to win a World Series.
see-
http://www.bambinoscurse.com/whatis/

Personally, I prefer the Billy Goat curse myself. During the '45 Series the Cubs refused to admitt a local tavern owner and his goat to Wrigley Field (yes, the goat had a ticket). He supposedly placed a curse on the team that they would never win the World Series until they let his goat into the park. They didn't, and they haven't.
http://www.cityinsights.com/chicago/billygoat.htm

Of course, nobody mentions that my White Sox also haven't won the fall classic since 1917, but that's the curse of the South Side- to always remain forgotten...
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:18 am

Now wait a minute.. The Yankees have not dominated the last 80 years..
Why is it that everyone seems to forget about the lean years in the 80's.
I was born the day after Reggie Jackson hit 3 home runs in one game in the 77 World Series, they won that year, and the year after, and then not again til '96. That means that I was 19 years old before I saw the Yankees win a World Series (other than when I was 1... but let's face it, when i was old enough to understand, the Yanks just plain sucked).

Also remember that the Yankees payroll is about 70% from their farm team...
Pettite, Posada, Johnson, Soriano, Jeter, Williams and Rivera (all of whom started game 2 in the ALCS) were all from the Yankees farm team. That is 7 out of 10 starters, the only ones not from the Yankee farm team in this game are Boone (not a huge name), Matsui - Japanese star, and Giambi who is along with Clemens and Mussina are the biggest names that the Yanks traded for.
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:25 am

Jcs, I don't hate a lot of organizations because they're successful. I don't hate successful franchises like the 49ers, or the Sonics, or the Avalanche.
What I think people, in general, "hate", is teams that ALWAYS seem to be good, and in the running for a title: the Yankees top the list, as they've won more MLB World Championships than anyone. The Lakers, The Raiders, the Celtis, the Habs-all of them are overly-dominant, and they seem to elicit either great love from their following, and great hate from the rest of sports fans.

Now wait a minute.. The Yankees have not dominated the last 80 years..

Winning almost 30 World Championships in that time span is domination, any way you slice it. And, if they don't win it all, they're almost always in the running to do so.
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:31 am

"Winning almost 30 World Championships in that time span is domination, any way you slice it. And, if they don't win it all, they're almost always in the running to do so."

Yeah i would say that is domination, Alot like Alpha 1 said, I do not hate teams that have a great history and are winning franchises. I just hate teams that buy their championships like the Yankees. I have no problem with teams that bring up their players through the farm system and become a great team, but the Yanks bought their championships, and that is why i hate them.
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:52 am

Once again.... with the Yankees farm team, how can you justify that the yankees bought their championships?

22 Roger Clemens
52 Jose Contreras - Defected from Cuba in October 2002
45 Felix Heredia - Only played in Toronoto and went 1-3 in 2002 3.61
35 Mike Mussina -big buck
43 Jeff Nelson Came from Seattle in 96 with a losing record then back again..
46 Andy Pettitte Farm
42 Mariano Rivera Farm
18 Jeff Weaver From Detroit
33 David Wells Big bucks
40 Gabe White Traded from Cinncinati - not big bucks
17 John Flaherty from Tampa Bay - not big bucks
20 Jorge PosadaFarm
47 Erick Almonte Farm
19 Aaron Boone from Cinncinati
25 Jason Giambi ok, big bucks
2 Derek JeterFarm
36 Nick Johnson Farm
12 Alfonso Soriano Farm
14 Enrique Wilson From Cleveland via Pittsburgh, not big bucks
11 David Dellucci From Arizona
28 Karim Garcia Farm
55 Hideki Matsui Japan
59 Juan Rivera Farm
24 Ruben Sierra From Seattle - not big bucks
51 Bernie Williams Farm

So, from a 25 man roster, 10 are farm hands, 2 are foreign players who are playing for the first time in the US... That leaves 4 out of 15 that are on the team who would be considered superstars who are big money makers (Mussina, Clemens, Wells, and Giambi) I would say that that is no different than any other team.
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:52 am

A bit off topic, but...I caught what Andy Rooney said on "60 Minutes" Sunday, basically slamming baseball.....and he had a good point. He said something along the lines of:

"It's not the world series because we don't play any international teams. The Japanese have a team, and if we played them, they'd kill us." among other things.

He also ripped on the Yankees & the MLB itself. Did anybody else see this?

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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:26 pm

Everyone hates the Yankees because they always win, I really think baseball needs to get communist like the NFL and enforce a salary cap and the NFL is great for competition there is always a different winner every year. In the AL East it seems that the division is always ranked the same. A good World Series this year would be the Cubbies vs the Bosox as neither team has won in a long while
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:55 pm

It isn't really the Yankees team that people hate, it's the Yankees owner. George Steinbrenner makes it difficult for other teams because he spends so much to get players. He is a major reason why MLB has a luxury tax.
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 8:04 pm

For all of you Yankee Honks crying about "we don't just buy players, we develop them in the monors too" etc. Check this. The Yankees BUY them too. The Yankees CAN and DO sign unproven players out of college and from foreign countries and top college prospects based on the fact they will and do give these players more money in contracts and signing bonuses than most other teams....so even if they come from the "Farm", that is still a suspect answer to "growing your own talent".

Oh, and another reason why the Yankees are so hated, is because they have the largest bandwagon full of the most fair weather fans of ANY team in ANY sport. Right Jcs?
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 9:21 pm

Oh, and another reason why the Yankees are so hated, is because they have the largest bandwagon full of the most fair weather fans of ANY team in ANY sport. Right Jcs?

How DARE you accuse Jcs of being a bandwagon man on this one, KROC!!  Wink/being sarcastic

I think he's still trying to catch the wagon myseif.  Big grin
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 9:48 pm

KROC, you're right. Other teams' minor league players just spring up instantaneously after the field is watered, like it's a friggin' Kevin Kostner movie.
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:16 pm

Nice swing Slugger. To bad you ended up whiffing like Nick Johnson. I NEVER said that other teams do not offer out signing bonuses and such, I simply said the Yankees offer MORE money, which will attract the top talent.

Alpha 1. Its the quickest way for me to get a laugh, watching Jcs lose his mind over being called a bandwagon fan. I suppose I could mention the fact his Islanders got their asses kicked last night as well though. The same team he was talking up for being 7-0 in the preseason, and tried to tell us that it counted for something. HAHAHA. Another long season for Isle Fan.
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:20 pm

Check the box score, Bob Uecker. Nick Johnson hit a home run last night. What about Joe Mauer's signing bonus from the Twins? A-Rod's signing bonus? Have you any idea how much the Braves paid to sign Rafael Furcal and Andruwuwuwuw Jones? I Think you'll find these numbers substantially higher than what they paid Bernie Williams, or Mariano "we'll keep him around because he's Juan Rivera's cousin and let's see if he can turn into a passable middle reliever" Rivera.

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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:27 pm

You're missing the point like Bernie Williams misses fly balls in center field. I am not denying that other teams, especially the Braves with their training facility all set up in the Dominican Republic and such do not use money and such, but the Yanks shell out pretty much more than most other teams, just like in the majors. You don't have to look any further than Drew Henson.
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:34 pm

I don't think Henson is representative of the norm. There are an awful lot of things that have to go right for a player to transition through the farm system from draftee to major league player, and most don't make it. If anyone drops the cash, it's because the team thinks that superior scouting and minor league management will get the guy up the ladder as promised.

The pay scale for these greenhorns is all over the board... the Yankees don't just jack up their signing bonuses 15% over any other team... they offer them to whoever they think is worth it. Just like any other team that cares about winning baseball games. Jeez...look at Cleveland's farm system a couple of years ago. It was a juggernaut on all levels, and an expensive one, at that!
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:37 pm

I see your point LhmARK. And by no means are the Yanks the only ones throwing out big dollars to the unprovens, but they can outbid most when/if they wanted too.
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:44 am

In baseball, I am behind which ever team is doing best out of Toronto, Kansas City or Montreal. I admit I am a bandwagon Cubs and Red Sox fan this year. In 2001, it was Seattle and the Yanks, and IMO, the M's should have gone all the way even though that would mean listening to 'Who Let The Dogs Out' 24/7/365. I remember when I was growing up we disliked the Lakers, Celtics, and the Cowboys all because they kept winning. No matter how they do it, let another city bask in the glory for once. I am happy they can put together a strong team but some of us want to win too.

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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:42 am

It's not the payroll, it's not the free agent signings, it's certainly not the winning or success.

It's the front office. Starting with Steinbrenner, Randy Levine, and Brian Cashman and going all the way to the bottom. The most arrogant, self righteous, cocky, meddling front office in all of sports. George Steinbrenner makes Al Davis look like he'd be easy to work for. And the pathetic release issued by Randy Levine last night after the ALCS game at Fenway was shocking, even for the Yankees. Do they ever do anything other than whine and/or tell the world how much better they are than every other baseball team in MLB?

Steinbrenner spends a lot of money on fielding a winning team. I like that. He'd be the perfect owner if he could swallow his New York-sized ego and leave the baseball side of the operation to the baseball people.

Oh and by the way, with the amount of money he can afford to spend on the Yankees' payroll, why is he demanding that the City of New York build him a new stadium. Moving out of Yankee Stadium, which is basically the ultimate shrine of baseball in the world, would be a crime. Doing it at taxpayer expense would be even worse.
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:25 am

DeltaSFO, I agree that, over the past couple of years, Steinbrenner has begun to behave a bit like his old self, but I'd remind you that the whole Yankee dynasty of the late '90s was built because Steinbrenner did exactly that- he let Gene Michael and Joe Torre do what they do best.
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:16 am

When that Red Sox player dropped the ball against the Mets in the World Series....is that part of the bambino curse? Big grin What was that guy's name? What happened to him? Did he recieve death threats? Still live in Boston?
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:19 am

Asking why people hate the NY Yankees is like asking why people hate Man U (interestingly enough, these two clubs have a marketing agreement, where each team sells merchandise of the other team at their stadium).
 
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:50 am

what i don't understand, aside from the hatred is what the big deal surrounding sports is. people go out and spend huge amounts of money buying everything they can with thier team's logo on it and just advertise the team for free. what's the point of that? i admit that i like certain teams in hockey, and a own a devil's cap, but i'm not obsessive over it. i don't try to kill myself when they lose and i don't cause riots when they win.
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Mon Oct 13, 2003 12:09 pm

I do not hate the Yankees and I do not hate Steinbrenner. I hope that Boston wins only because I always root for the underdog. Always. It's nice to see someone new win, hate is not in the equation.

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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 6:28 am

I just saw this lousy letter sent in to today's USA Today whining about the Yankee payroll, and how the championship is bought.

Explain to me, if the payroll is high because they are a big market team, then how come the Mets, White Sox and Cubs don't win all the time...or in some cases.. NEVER.
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:06 am

We hate the yanks cause wh enjoy the sport where you have no clue as to how the game will be played or won, so w/ the yanks you always know that the other team has very little chance of winning so it get a little annoying after awhile. Also the payroll is way to freggin high, i mean the can buy away all the sluggers they want so leaving little opposition.



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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:48 am

Because they've won nearly 25% of all the World Series ever played. Nobody likes a "broken record."
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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:37 am

I don't "hate" the Yankees as a team, but their fans need to grow up..When they started chucking batteries at Jay Buhner, that made my mind up...

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RE: Why Is There Such Hatred Of The NY Yankees?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:31 am

beacuse...I'm an Indians fan!!!!

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