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China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:37 pm

China has just put a man into space...its now official

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031015/ap_on_sc/china_space&cid=624&ncid=716

My congrats to them, and I hope the landing in a few hours is successful as well...

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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:39 pm

Statement from NASA: "As citizens of the world, we congratulate or Chinese colleagues on their success, and wish them good fortune on their stated desire to reach the moon within 10 years. However, as proud Americans, we would like to add, "Been there, done that.""  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:04 pm

lol Charles Big grin.
However, adding to your comment, being somehow proud of my Russian descent, I would like to add what we said to Alan Shepard back then : "Been there, done that"

Congrats to the tychonaut (spelling ? That's a new word for me) on his first solo !

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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:59 pm

We did it 40 years ago. Big deal. Shows you that, in some ways, China is still a long way from being a "superpower".
 
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:19 pm

Couldn't have said it better myself Alpha 1. Although I may have left out the crack on them not being a Super Power.  Big grin
 
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:28 pm

Let's be fair shall we. You can't compare what was done today to what was essentially a cannon ball with controls 40 years ago. Sheppard didn't even take a camera !

China is way behind, but not 40 years worth. Dare I mention we are all only as good as our last game/investment/operation or space flight.
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:28 pm

@Alpha 1: That’s true, however look at the recent scientific/technological/economic progress in China and compare it to that in the US/Europe. The country is catching up quickly.

Just a few years ago, no one would have imagined China would one day send a man into space.


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Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:31 pm

Uh...how can you judge the efforts of one country by another? That doesn't make any sense at all. It is a very big deal sinply because China has never done it before. If that doesn't sway you, then you are simply arrogant.

That's like if a neighbor's kid walks for the first time and I say, "big deal, i did that two decades ago" -- what does that have to do with anything? IMO it is stupid for assuming the US's efforts are the baseline for all achievements done elsewhere.
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:37 pm

Why the hell are you guys so defensive over China? I don't care if it was a "cannonball" as was stupidly said, that went up 40 years ago. The truth is China did what we and the Russians did 40 years ago, and, catching up or not, it tells me they're still, in many ways, ions behind the U.S.
 
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:42 pm

We could just as easily ask why you are so threatened that you have to belittle thier achievement today.

Sheppard was up about 24 minutes and basically took a piss and made a phone call. This guy today will be up 25 hours, carry out experiments and prepare the satellite the craft includes for deployment before returning to earth. Today should NOT be compared to 40 years ago, that is incorrect, that's all.
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:55 pm

In the news: China has put a man in space!

... but after an hour it wore off and they felt like putting another one back up again.

*rimshot*
 
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:18 pm

Pacificjourney, as usual you're way off mark. I'm not threatened by anything. But it's no big deal 40 years after man first went into space. So it's no BHFD. Maybe to someone like you it is, but it's nothing. It's been done already.
 
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:32 pm

I disagree with you Alpha 1.

Progress in science by any country at any time is always a good thing, and an important thing. Just because the U.S. did this 40 years ago does not belittle the sucess of this for China. Also, when more countries contribute to space research, the world contributes more from an increase in this data and information.

Also, if you want to use the U.S. achievements and the U.S. space program as the basis for judging the "quality of sucess" of the Chinese space program, you should mention the recent failures of the U.S. space program.
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:40 pm

Tbar, you disagree with me. That's fine. I have no problem with that.

I still think, 40 years after man started to do this, it's no big deal.
 
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:45 pm

I think its a matter of country pride and the fact that now they have a credible space program (unlike Brasil for example.. Booom!) which can now they can sell to put stuff in orbit. It becomes a marketing thing.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:01 am

Congrats to the Chinese, hard to compare, I think USA/USSR took more of a gamble (how many satelites hasn´t China put in orbit, before they launched,
compared with USA/USSR first manned launch?).
A bit difference between 3 (USA) and 14 orbits as well.
Now
Israel, India, Japan and ESA (European space agency) has put satelites into orbit but not any manned space launches (yet?).
My guess is that India is the next nation to send a human into space, Japan
and ESA seem to lack the will to do it, Israel don´t have the money.

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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:15 am

Old French joke (by Coluche):

Youri Gagarine was very unlucky: he turned 17 times around the earth and fell back in Russia.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:17 am

We did it 40 years ago. Big deal. Shows you that, in some ways, China is still a long way from being a "superpower".

Nonsense.
The USSR did it before the USA, and you can see how "behind" the USA are compare to the USSR.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:04 am


My guess is that India is the next nation to send a human into space, Japan
and ESA seem to lack the will to do it, Israel don´t have the money.

I seriously hope that India does NOT get into a madcap race to send man into space. The Indian space programme has been unique in that it has been PURELY application driven:Remote Sensing and Communications, and maybe thats why it has been so successful. Sending man into space is utter waste of resources that could better be used elsewhere.

Theoretically, an uprated version of the GSLV could launch a Russian inspired capsule, but whats the point? We have already sent an Indian into space on a Russian launcher 3 decades ago and that was enough. I'd rather the Indian Govt concentrates on even more advanced Remote Sensing satellites which would have enormous military benefits as well. Seen in that context, The Unmanned Lunar capsule to be launched in 2006 on a PSLV launcher is also a collosal waste of money.

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Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:10 am

My guess is that India is the next nation to send a human into space

Very likely, but don't hold your breath on that. Its not going to happen this decade. The Indian space program is more on the lines of ESA than NASA or the Russian/Chinese programs. Just as with the case of the ESA, could we send a man up if we wanted to ? There'll be the usual technical hurdles, time and money, but yes we can. Is it worth it right now ? I don't think so. In any case, there is a democratic system in India through which the ruling dispensation can maintain or lose legitimacy.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:12 am

We did it 40 years ago. Big deal. Shows you that, in some ways, China is still a long way from being a "superpower".

Putting someone in space doesn't define a country as a "superpower".

Having 1 billion (!) citizens and a nuclear programme does.

As for putting a man up in space 40 years ago, big whoop. The USSR did it before the US did. The US managed to get to the moon using a computer with 2.048 MHz (the computer you're using now probably has more than 2 GHz). It has 2k of RAM.

The glory days of the American space programme were fantastic, the whole world was in awe of Apollo and to be honest, in awe of America. Now the US doesn't have any right to comment on other space programmes, given the state of NASA right now. A delapidated shuttle programme, reduced funding and no desire for, or progress towards, another manned programme.
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 7:37 am

I think China has the advantage of time, that it may well do as much as the US/USSR did in less time simply because of the technology that exists. Perhaps they will succed the USA in going to Mars Currently we aren't funding NASA that much, everything is going into the war on terror, iraq, wherever, etc.  Yeah sure

Note I did not specify a date of when.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 7:49 am

I saw on TV (everyone's favourite, the BBC) that a NASA 'bod seems to think that the Chinese have a "sixth generation" spacecraft.

Anyone like to explain what that means? The guy seemed to be saying that this was a very advanced 'first step'.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:50 am

He's back down...my congrats to the Chinese for a successful mission...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031015/ap_on_re_as/china_space

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Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:17 pm

I agree with Alpha 1. Although it is a major accomplishment for China, it's been done. And don't forget the Chinese have the benefit of hindsight, they have 40 years worth of data and experience to back them up. When the Russians and the Americans did it in 1961 it was the first time and they had to take the gamble, they had to develop the technology from scratch. And the only reason the first 2 American manned flights(Shepard and Grissom) were sub-orbital was because the Atlas booster was not yet ready, so they had to go with the Redstone which meant sub-orbital. This Chinese flight didn't break any new ground- they are using capsules which are a 40 year old design.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:06 pm

Congrats to the Chinese and I can't wait to see what their next step is. Perhaps a reuseable orbiter? Space is a great accomplishment, but shouldn't they focus on other things first, like feeding their own people?

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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:44 pm

John Gleen did exactly what this guy did 40 years earlier.

No offense to China or Mr. LIwie, but "Godspeed John Glenn" sings better.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:22 pm

"I saw on TV (everyone's favourite, the BBC) that a NASA 'bod seems to think that the Chinese have a "sixth generation" spacecraft.

Anyone like to explain what that means? The guy seemed to be saying that this was a very advanced 'first step'."


I think what he meant was that the Chinese bought the plans of the Russian (I'm not even going to try to spell it, you know it sounds like oh soy yoos  Big thumbs up ) spacecraft which has been proven already. Plus the chinese have a proven rocket design that has had several successful launches. So, they were hardly starting from scratch, like the USSR and US were around 40 years ago.

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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:23 pm

"John Gleen did exactly what this guy did 40 years earlier."

Glenn didn't even get out of his chair, get your facts straight.
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:32 pm

All kidding aside, if the Chinese do make it back to the moon, 40 years after the last visitors, it would be interesting to see the contribution (or lack thereof) of computing power. Apollo went to the moon with less computing power than what you have in your cell phone (scary, when you think about it). I think the main computer had 8K of memory. What can be done with millions of times more power? Will it make a difference in what is accomplished?

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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:55 pm

I still think, 40 years after man started to do this, it's no big deal.

It's news because China is only the 3rd country to lauch a man into space.
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:22 pm

Pacificjourney, Glenn went into space 40 years ago. The only reason he didn't get "out of his chair" was the technology wasn't that far along, was it. The fact remains it took China 40 YEARS LONGER, when the technology is far more advance, to do what the US and the USSR did without 40 years of technology to assist them with. That's pretty amazing. To me, what the Chinese did doesn't even register. Had they done it, say, 5 years after the US and USSR, that's one thing, but 40? And you want us to shower them with praise? What for?  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:58 pm

Thanks for confirming what I was saying all along. Both men sat on top of a big cracker and were shot into space, there the similarities end.

That's all I was saying.
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Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:38 am

It is perhaps worth noting that China has had on/off plans to do a manned launch for some 30 years, each time political infighting has stopped any project at an early stage, first in the early 70's, then a decade later, then a slow-paced programme beginning in the 90's.
Though the Chinese capsule is based on Soyuz, it is a Chinese adapted model, with improvements, for one the service module can in left in orbit to serve as the basis of a small station.
Also the Long March rocket used is near in capability to the Saturn 1B, which NASA used for early Apollo tests, as a ferry to Skylab and finally to launch the Apollo for the Soyuz link up in 1975.
So more capable than a Vostok.
So comparisons with either Gagarin and Glenn are understandable, but wrong, they are starting with more capability, this was the first flight, expect later ones to have bigger crews and a longer orbital time, this launch is actually the first single-man mission for 35 years.
 
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:14 am

...Saturn 1B, which NASA used for early Apollo tests, as a ferry to Skylab...

Just a small correction - The Skylab was launched by a version of Saturn V, which was capable of putting a monsterous 130 tons into orbit, far more than anything built before or since.

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Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:18 am

>>>Just a small correction - The Skylab was launched by a version of Saturn V, which was capable of putting a monsterous 130 tons into orbit, far more than anything built before or since.<<<

Sorry to deviate, but the Saturn V is a thing of beauty. Carry on.
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:06 pm

Launching a man into space and safely returning him to earth is a major feat. You must acknowledge that. Only three countries have done it. The former Soviet Union, The United States of America and now China.

Keeping it hushed and not televising it is typical of a regime that politically is not as well along as it's space program. Too bad.
 
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Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:25 pm

I always thought the Energija was the biggest rocket successfully launched?
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:09 pm

I always thought the Energija was the biggest rocket successfully launched?

There were different variants. A more powerful one existed on paper, but wasn't needed. The ones that were actually built could typically put about 80 tonnes in LEO.

Are we comparing like with like? When was a Saturn V (on the launchpad, not on paper) ever capable of putting 130 tonnes in LEO? 118 would be more realistic.

But we digress  Big grin
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Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:13 pm

Does China posses a rocket powerful enough to put a space staion into LEO? That's probably their next goal judging by the media reports. But even then it probably won't be anywhere near as large as Skylab was or Mir.
 
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Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:55 am



Greatest feat of engineering ever?
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RE: China: "We've Got A Man Up There, It's Yang Liwei"

Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:53 am

Skylab was launched (unmanned) on a Saturn V, but the 3 crews each used a Saturn 1B to reach the Skylab.
 
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Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:05 am

Greatest feat of engineering ever?

And the sad thing is that we can never build one again - some idiot threw out all the blueprints at the end of the Apollo program. It seems that Congress did not feel it important enough to approve money to archive all the design work that went into Saturn.

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Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:21 pm

Greatest feat of engineering ever?

Amen. The Saturn V was a thing of beauty. When one of those babies lifted off everyone stopped to watch. I only wish i could have seen a Saturn V launch in real life, that would have been spectacular. Such a reliable rocket she was- 10 manned missions and not 1 single failure. Von Brauhn really created a masterpiece.

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