FlyVirgin744
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Physics Help

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:30 am

If someone can help me with this and maybe some questions in the future, I'd really appreciate it. I know some of you out there love physics!

This has to do with a Rail Gun. I'm stumped.

This problem explores how a current-carrying wire can be accelerated by a magnetic field. You will use the ideas of magnetic flux and the EMF due to change of flux through a loop.

A conducting rod is free to slide on two parallel rails with negligible friction. At the right end of the rails, a voltage source of strength V in series with a resistor of resistance R makes a closed circuit together with the rails and the rod. The rails and the rod are taken to be perfect conductors. The rails extend to infinity on the left. The arrangement is shown in the figure.

There is a uniform magnetic field of magnitude B, pervading all space, perpendicular to the plane of rod and rails. The rod is released from rest, and it is observed that it accelerates to the left.

What is the acceleration a(t)(sub r) of the rod? Take m to be the mass of the rod. Express your answer as a function of V, B, the velocity of the rod v(t)sub r, L, R, and the mass of the rod m.

I've tried fiddleling around with the units in the 6 variables but can't come up with acceleration. Thanks in advanced,

Matt




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RE: Physics Help

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:03 am

David b. should be able to help you. He's an expert at dealing with friction from accelerating rods and fiddling with units.
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RE: Physics Help

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:34 am

David b. should be able to help you. He's an expert at dealing with friction from accelerating rods and fiddling with units



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RE: Physics Help

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:14 pm

Awesome, I needed that laugh  Smile
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RE: Physics Help

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:20 pm

744, do they let virgins fly for free? Laugh out loud
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RE: Physics Help

Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:50 pm

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RE: Physics Help

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:54 pm

Think of the railgun setup as an inductor, in which one element is free to move.

I'm not in the habit of giving people verbatim answers for their homework, and you haven't given all the information anyway, but we can do a walkthrough.  Big grin

You already know the current though the loop (Ohm's law). Use this to find the induced magnetic field. You could form a Biot-Savart integral in 4 parts (both rails, the rod, and the power connection) but this might be too deep. Whichever method you choose, be careful with vector directions.

In real life, resistance wouldn't be zero; you could apply Faraday's law to this function, and get the induced EMF. It's actually a very simple inductor, so the EMF effectively causes a "counter-current" such that the actual current flow through the rod is less than you would expect from V=IR.

Anyway, back to the question. You have a function for the induced magnetic field; add this to the existing ('background') magnetic field B to get a function for the total magnetic field. Use Lorentz to find the force that this field creates on the rod as current flows through it.

Once you have the force on the rod, the rest is basic calculus - just use F=ma &c. It's not linear because the force is a function of the rod's position.

If you want to be really thorough, go through the same solution relativistically - after all, the rails are infinitely long, the rod will eventually be moving pretty fast...
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RE: Physics Help

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:27 pm

Oops. I included an unnecessary bit. Can you guess where it is?  Wink/being sarcastic
(it's only a few seconds extra work)

[Edited 2003-10-30 15:27:38]
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RE: Physics Help

Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:27 am

While I understand somewhat better now, no help.

I'm getting the mu_0 in my answer when applying the B field, and that is not in the answer.

If you don't mind, I'm passing the 12 hour mark, tell what you think the answer is, if it is correct I'd appreciate you explaining it to me in great detail, cause right now, I don't seem to be getting it.

Thanks

Matt
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RE: Physics Help

Fri Oct 31, 2003 3:16 pm

If this helps anyone else trying to help:



Thanks
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RE: Physics Help

Fri Oct 31, 2003 11:31 pm

Argh...
I just spotted this as I was about to go out - don't have time for a detailed answer, sorry :-(

In the meantime, I spent a few seconds with Google, and found this:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~hotdog/Projects/EE%20213%20Project.doc

There's a lot of railgun junk on the web, but I think this one is most similar to your example. Equation 34 is pretty close to what you need? It gives you a function for F, but you can change that to displacement [r] thanks to Newton; F=m(d²r/dt²).

Try that. If it still doesn't work, I'll be back in a few hours...
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RE: Physics Help

Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:25 am

Is that OK? Or not?
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RE: Physics Help

Sat Nov 01, 2003 3:19 pm

When I try putting mu_0 in the answer, it says the solution is not dependant on mu_0.

I hate these stupid online homework assignments.

Thanks for that file though, I hadn't come across that one yet.
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RE: Physics Help

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:36 pm

darn it's been too long since I got my degree. Few years ago I could have solved this in my head without having to look up anything...
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RE: Physics Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:29 am

I finally was able to get the answer from a friend who gave up and pushed "Give answer."

Here it is for all of you interested:

(V-B*L*v_r(t))(R*B*L)/(R*m)


Thanks,

Matt
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