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Praise For Bush Speech In Arab World

Sun Nov 09, 2003 11:02 am



THE PRESIDENT made a plea for democratic reforms in the Middle East the cornerstone of a speech dealing with democratic values across the globe.
And he acknowledged shortcomings in past policy, saying the United States and other nations shared blame for the lack of democratic freedoms in the Middle East.
“Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe, because in the long run stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty,” Bush said Thursday.
The president spoke to the National Endowment for Democracy, a group that champions democratic gains around the world, on the same day that he was signing an $87.5 billion package approved by Congress for military and reconstruction operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
U.S. war in those two Islamic countries, notably to oust Saddam Hussein in Iraq, have served to seriously damage America’s reputation across the Arab world. And what’s seen as Washington’s bias toward Israel in the conflict with the Palestinians has undermined its credibility in the Middle East.

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Consequently words of praise were unexpected. “It is an historical speech, and I agree with what the president had to say, and this is the first time,” said Hafez Abu Se’da, head of the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights.

“It is a new vision from the United States now because they focus on democracy. For a long time, they focused on economy and commercial interests. It is historical because the United States is talking about democracy and the interest of the people in these countries.”
The human rights advocate also praised what Bush had to say about democracy’s being compatible with Islam and Arab culture.

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A very interesting article...

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RE: Praise For Bush Speech In Arab World

Sun Nov 09, 2003 3:12 pm

"democracy’s being compatible with Islam and Arab culture."

That's where the emphasis in Iraq and Afghanistan should be, it's also what terrorists want to prevent.

The worst nightmare for terrorists and dictatorships in the region is for Iraq and Afghanistan to become free, self governing ,prosperous, peaceful societies.
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RE: Praise For Bush Speech In Arab World

Sun Nov 09, 2003 4:15 pm

The worst nightmare for terrorists and dictatorships in the region is for Iraq and Afghanistan to become free, self governing ,prosperous, peaceful societies.

And don't forget... it is also the nightmare of certain people on this forum as well.

When I heard Bush give this speech, I thought there would be a negative reaction from the Arab world - that it would be seen as arrogance. But I am glad to see that some people are reasonable enough to take what he said seriously and positively. I am also pleased to see some tentative steps towards democracy in places like UAE and Saudi.

The good news is that, if it continues, we might actually succeed in marginalizing Al Qaeda until they are virtually insignificant. The bad news is that it might take a generation or two to get there.

Another question: If all the Arab states suddenly became fully democratic, with voting rights for everyone, how many would NOT vote in a hard-line fundamentalist Islamic government?

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RE: Praise For Bush Speech In Arab World

Sun Nov 09, 2003 4:20 pm

Even as Bush Jr makes these comments his own govt is trying to revive the Hashemite Monarchy in Iraq as a "democratic alternative".

Some democracy!
 
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RE: Praise For Bush Speech In Arab World

Sun Nov 09, 2003 4:26 pm

My, my, speak of the devil...

Where did you hear that one, Roy?

Plus, you might recall that it is possible to have royalty while still having democracy. Look at Britain, or Japan for example. A royal family can, in times of political turmoil, provide a non-political thread that everyone can latch on to - a reminder that while they may disagree on policy issues, that they still are one nation. I think this can be a good thing as long as the royalty's power is strictly limited to ceremonial status.

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RE: Praise For Bush Speech In Arab World

Sun Nov 09, 2003 4:46 pm

Well charles: there are so many such "model democracies" in the Middle East ruled by unelected potentates backed by the "evil empire". This is what passes of for democracy?

Make no mistake, THIS is what led to 9/11 and seeking to revive the Hashemite monarchy in Iraq will lead to more such events.
 
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RE: Praise For Bush Speech In Arab World

Sun Nov 09, 2003 4:53 pm

This is what passes of for democracy?

Did I ever say it did? Has there ever been democracy in the Middle East where there has been royalty? Not that I have heard. Stop making stuff up. All I am saying is that it is POSSIBLE to have royalty and democracy at the same time, if the nation's constitution is written well.

Make no mistake, THIS is what led to 9/11

The Saudi government and others is the result of their own way of doing things, as are the others in the region. Outside help, if any, was insignificant. You always get the government you deserve. So why are you mad at the U.S.?

Oh, yeah, I remember. A convenient scapegoat. Right.

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