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Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:28 am

If you had to pick who/what really runs the show in America, who would you pick?

Here are some possible suggestions:

The President
The Congress
The Supreme Court
one or more top military generals
the constitution / our laws
The Attorney General
The CIA
the press corps / mass media
the mafia
the U.N.
a super secret organization
the democrats
the republicans
the president's cabinet
the secretary of defense
a large corporation
American Association of Retired People
National Rifle Association


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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:45 am

I really don't care who or what, all I know is that it has not been the people's choice in the past a few decades. Lobbyists run the show, doesn't matter which they represent, they all do.


If things were our choice, we should not be split 50/50 on things.
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:00 am

Why don't try the back-door approach?

I'd say the de-facto description of what we have now would be a "functional plutocracy". You can mete out the inputs from your long list as they apply......
 
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:07 am

"Why don't try the back-door approach?"

Why does that sound isolationist to me?
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:49 am

I do, haven't we all figured that out by now  Insane.
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:34 am

In the purest sense of the definition of our democracy, the voters and citizens of the USA have the power. The problem is that they do not use it properly. Every Presidential election is not a case of who is the best qualified to hold the office, but rather who is the most popular candidate presented to us. The failure in the system is that everyone has an opinion but relatively few exercise their right to vote and make a difference in the way things are run. If more people voted (in ALL of the elections, and I, by no means, am perfect in this either) then the influence of lobbyists is deflated and the influence of the citizens is paramount.

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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:48 am

Since all those entities are so important to different things, its difficult to say. I would select what would create the most chaos if it suddenly ceased to exist. Saying that, I would first eliminate all individuals including the President as there is existing contingencies for such an event. So outside of the Constitution/laws I'd say either Congress or the President's cabinet.

P.S. I don't think Repubs/Demos are a valid choice. Too vague.



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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:26 pm

A super secret "organisation" already holds power.The reason why everyone is brought up to believe otherwise,so it remains secret. As we are also "conditioned" to look to the media to be misled,and to believe what we see with our eyes has to be real.
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:32 pm

Justplanecrazy, is this just the UK, or are you speaking for Americans, too?

Edit: I wasn't trying to be a smartass here (rereading it, it came off that way). I was just curious.

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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:33 pm

May I suggest this group: Lawyers.

They're presiding over these huge transfers of wealth, with these mega-lawsuites against corporations and industries, sometimes for events that haven't even happend, but what might occur.

They've gotten billions from cigarette companies-never mind that it's smokers, who can't kick their habits, that are to blame for their poor health, despite knowing the risks of smoking; they're going after fast-food in the same manner, never mind that fat asses who eat at BK every day are the ones responsible for their health. They've made it acceptable for people to not take one speck of responsibility for any of their actions. They advertise almost solely as ambulance chasers in big cities, scaring people into suing, or making them see $$$ at the end of their promises.

They're not in business anymore to promote law; they're in business in many instance to promote transfer of wealth-mostly to themselves. They're a cancer on the very fabric of this nation.

You want power-thse barristers have it, at the detriment to this entire nation.
 
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:52 pm

May I suggest this group: Lawyers.

I agree completely. I've worked for several corporations over the course of my career and I rarely come across a good corporate lawyer who can add value efficiently. Many of them are myopic and are a hindrance to efficient or timely business decisions. I realize I'm generalizing but my impressions have been more negative than positive. I don't wish to offend any lawyers on here, but many of your Cdn corporate brethren do not add value (given their coin).

Lawyers are also over-represented in politics. Municipal, provincial, & federal politics in Cda are top-heavy with (elected) lawyers which of course are not a cross-section of society. I realize that lawyers are attracted to politics since politicians are law-makers, but I would be a proponent of limiting lawyers by law to no more than say 1/4 or 1/3 of provincial or federal legislators. We need more scientists getting into politics.

One thing about GW Bush....he's not a lawyer. It's nice to see an MBA reach the highest level of govt. For once.
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:05 pm

OK, so my crude side sneaks out now and then...

Jay Hickman once said "Women have all the p___y and half of the money; and when you have all the p___y, it's just a matter of time before you have all the money".

...and I would say anyone with all the money may very well have all the power.
 
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:07 pm

The jews

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Who Has The Power

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:23 pm

- Oil lobby
- Christian lobby
- Scientology

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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:07 pm

Scientology? Don't make me laugh.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:23 pm

Laugh as much as you want.
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RE: Who Has The Power In America?

Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:54 pm

Laugh as much as you want.
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That's right Alpha 1. In the US there are two major chapters of Scientologists. The first is the Hollywood chapter which is the one all those wacky movie stars belong to. The other is the non-Hollywood chapter which is the one all the regular folks belong to. All of those members were supposed to meet in Atlantic City this year, but unfortunately, he died.
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