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Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:28 am

Interesting story from CNN.

ORANGE, California (AP) -- Brain scans of a toddler revived two hours after she was believed to have drowned showed no serious problems, a doctor said.

Twenty-month-old Mackayala Jespersen opened her eyes and moved her arms and legs, Dr. James Cappon, a critical-care specialist at Children's Hospital, said Tuesday. Her condition was upgraded Tuesday to serious.

The girl was found floating face down in her family's swimming pool Friday morning and was rushed to the hospital, where doctors pronounced her dead.

About 40 minutes later, police Detective Mike Kendrick was conducting a routine investigation into the death when he noticed the child's chest was moving. He summoned doctors, who were able to revive her.

Spokeswoman Susan Solomon said the hospital was looking into what happened. However, she said, "We believe everything possible was done the right way."

The hospital did not release the names of doctors involved.

Brian Oxman, a lawyer for the girl's family, said relatives had not decided whether to sue the hospital.


What burns me up is the last sentence.

What in the hell would the family sue for? The kid was basically dead for two hours, and by some miracle was revived. This doesn't appear to be a negligence case, at least not on the part of the police or doctors.

It's sheer stupidity and irresponsibility of the parents.

There's NO excuse for leaving your twenty-month-old child unattended, outside, where there is an open pool.

Unbelievable.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:57 am

The detective and the one of the police officers that responded to the call were on Good Morning America the other day. I got the impression that the police officers were the ones who rushed her to the hospital -- one police officer giving her mouth-to-mouth.

Apparently the mother had left the child unattended for one minute to go wake up another child.

The detective said that he did go in during his investigaion and the child gasped, at first. He said he thought it was one of those things that sometimes happens after death. But then he said her chest started moving more normally and he asked the person in the room with him are you seeing what I'm seeing?" That was when they summoned the doctors. But the way he was telling the story, she was breathing before the doctors came in and supposedly revived her.

Dianne Sawyer asked how close she was to being put in a body bag and into refrigeration at the morgue and the detective said "very close."

I'm not posting this to defend the family or the hospital, just to add to the details in the news story.

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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:46 am

There has to be brain damage, the brain can only go so long with out oxygen and blood to the head.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:58 am

That is absolutely ridiculous. Rather then being happy that they did not lose their daughter, they are looking into making a buck out of the situation. Disgusting.

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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:12 am

I doubt it will hold up in court. Judges won't put up with that.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:17 am

The family really deserves Shafts, Prizes and Darwin Awards for their stupidity and lack of common sense. What a bunch of idiots trying to get something out of that situation.

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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:36 am

The other stories I've read say that doctors don't think she has any brain damage. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it, but on Good Morning America they said the water temperature in the pool was about 50 degrees. Wouldn't that help in preventing brain damage?

And before we start crucifying the family, why don't we wait to see what they decide to do. They haven't sued the hospital yet.

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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:29 am

sue the hospital, what the fuck for!?! jesus, everyone is so damn greedy these days. they ought to be happy thier daughter is alive. i know of a lot of families that would rather have thier kid.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:35 am

LoneStarMike,

I agree, we shouldn't get that upset until the family actually does sue, but that statement did make it sound like they were contemplating it.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:34 am

It's utterly disgusting to be even thinking about sueing the hospital, at least from my point of view. It was one of those things that can hardly be explained, call them "miracles" if you like, which people should be grateful for. I hope they're not really considering trying to make a buck from it, just guess who would have to pay the bill in the end... the one for the lawyer's new super-duper BMW or whatever.  Angry
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:30 am

Also, before we villify the family for litigation towards the hospital, remember they are being advised by a snake, ambulance-chasing lawyer who is probably telling them they can make MILLIONS off this case (whether there's a case or not). If anyone should be villified here, it should be the shyster lawyer who is advising them (read: dangling a carrot of millions of dollars in front of them).

As for there having to be brain damage, it is not uncommon for smaller children to survive such ordeals with little or no appreciable brain damage. The make-up of a small child is very different from that of an adult in that their bodies are growing so quickly and are so adaptable, that anything is possible (especially in colder temperatures).

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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:42 am

You'd be amazed to find out this is not the first time this sort of thing has happened. A child's metabolic rate is very slow, and children still exhibit a dive reflex, which if they are immersed in cold water, they immediately go into a hibernation type state.

But still, a doctor should have been able to tell... At lest with a properly set up EKG.

The family isn't suing yet. And if they do sue, it will be for pain and suffering related to being given a death notice, not because their kid isn't actually dead. (I don't agree with it anyway.)


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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:22 pm

If a doctor incompetently pronounced someone dead that wasn't dead, or was revivable, I could understand the outrage and lawsuit. But unless anyone can prove that happened, they should be grateful for the miracle.

Also, I agree that seems like a long time for the brain to be deprived of oxygen and damage would almost seem likely, but I wonder if the child was breathing very shallow breathes for some time prior to when she was discovered to be alive.

What an incredible story.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:24 pm

The hospital should have realized she was still alive a lot sooner, but the family should just be grateful their daughter didn't die and not think about suing.

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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:07 pm

Hey guys, I'm no doctor, but I was a LifeFlight pilot for three years and we actually saw this scenario more than once. As one of our trauma nurses told me once...

"If you're cold and dead you're not really dead until you're warm and dead."

There's some type of primitive reflex that protects the brain of young children, I don't remember what they called it. There is a chance that the child will get out of this with little if any permanent damage.

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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:21 pm

Hey guys, I'm no doctor, but I was a LifeFlight pilot for three years and we actually saw this scenario more than once. As one of our trauma nurses told me once...
"If you're cold and dead you're not really dead until you're warm and dead."
There's some type of primitive reflex that protects the brain of young children, I don't remember what they called it. There is a chance that the child will get out of this with little if any permanent damage.


I just finished watching the show "Critical Rescues" on Discovery Health Network that involved that sort of issue. Two young brothers in Rhode Island fell through thin ice and were submerged for about a half-hour before being rescued. Neither one showed any signs of life when pulled out of the water. While one died some days later, the other recovered with no ill effects.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:57 pm

i wonder who pronounced the child, an attending or a resident.

"If you're cold and dead you're not really dead until you're warm and dead." that's the truth! if your body is preserved in the cold then you still have the chance of being revived since cellular death and breakdown has not begun to be widespread.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:30 pm

They'd sue the hospital because if she was FOUND BREATHING forty minutes after she was "pronounced dead", then she wasn't dead. That's gross negligence and $$$ for the family (and heartache from anyone who had a realitive die at that hospital and is now wondering "maybe they weren't dead...")
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:19 am

BULL.. There is NO grounds to sue the hospital.. MIRACLES DO HAPPEN!!!

If the kid was placed in the moruge and this was released later, then yes.. the family should just be happy to have their kid alive.. Besides, you don't leave a 20-month old alone to go wake up someone else, not even for 10 seconds.. Shows stupidity at work..


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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:25 am

There has to be brain damage, the brain can only go so long with out oxygen and blood to the head.

Actually, young children, probably up until 3 years old, will sometime survive to such accident. This is well documented. Jetguy is absolutely right when he wrote:
There's some type of primitive reflex that protects the brain of young children, I don't remember what they called it. There is a chance that the child will get out of this with little if any permanent damage.

I remember a case, about 10 years ago maybe, in Chicago where a young boy spent a few HOURS under the ice of lake Michigan and survived with no damages. It's a very intriguing phenomenon, that could obviously not be tested but only documented.
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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:35 am

It's called the "dive reflex." The kid's face hits the cold water and s/he's out immediately and the body shunts all of the blood to the brain, heart, and to some extent, the liver. Peripheral (wrist and foot) pulses become faint if present at all.

And yes, you're not dead until you're warm and dead. This is true for adults, too. Adults found extremely hypothermic, especially those who were out in extreme cold in the first place, have a much better chance of survival too.

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RE: Girl Drowns In Pool, Revived Two Hours Later

Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:20 pm

Yeah its o.k. for a doctor to tell the girls parents... Your daughter is dead. Then the doctors go to lunch or something and a cop finds out .... SHES ALIVE !!! I wouldn't be pissed at them doctors .... I would just sue the hell out of them that's all .... Diagnosing someone as dead when there not is malpractice to the extreme.
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