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Bush Comes To London

Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:37 pm

So.......so far, President Bush has demanded the following from the people of London and Her Majesty the Queen:

- That Buckingham Palace be practically rebuilt to withstand a possible terrorist attack. The Queen has said "no".
- That a Black Hawk helicopter be continually airborne over said palace, again to guard against attack. The Queen has said "no, it'll be too noisy." Good for her.
- That large sections of London be closed to the general public, including the City of London (which Bush isn't going to visit!). Vetoed.
- That the airspace above central London be closed during Bush's visit (think of the impact on Heathrow). Again, vetoed.
- That the Tube (underground railway) be suspended in areas where Bush is visiting. Again, vetoed.
- That the United States Secret Service (USSS) agents be immune from prosecution if they kill protestors. This has been vetoed by our Home Secretary. Good for him.
- That the USSS be allowed to deploy a "mini-gun" to protect Bush. Vetoed.
- That the USSS have operational control over the 5000 Metropolitan Police officers, including the world's most highly trained marksmen, SO19, as apparently we're too incompetent to look after ourselves. This again has been vetoed by the Home Secretary.

If the Americans seem to think that we all hate him so much, why is he bothering to come? Is it the fact that a photo of him with the Queen at a State Dinner is too irrisistable to Republican Election strategists? It would be grimly ironic if he paid for a photo-op with his life.

Oh and the best bit: He's going to have to pay the congestion charge on his bomb, bullet and bio-proof Cadillac Deville!
 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:40 pm

Hahaha, great!  Big thumbs up

I saw this posted on the LHR yahoo group:
Will BA go all soppy over our visitor next week,
following Bloney Tairs antics over the last few years,
and do something special with Airbus A320 G-BUSH.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:49 pm

the sheer arrogance that some of these demands show is frightening.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Sun Nov 16, 2003 10:39 pm

What is really worrying about this whole visit is that apparently Bush protestors will be held 'conveniently' out of sight. The other day I saw file-footage of an earlier US President visit to the UK (I believe it was also Bush Jr) where some protestors managed to slip through the security-lines and were able to display some sign just before the convoy arrived. I can't imagine what would happen if something similar would happen next week with 200 trigger-happy US Secret Service agents around.

I don't mind Mr Bush travelling abroad, but if this means that the basic rights of the people whose country he is visiting are ignored and these people have a serious risk of getting shot at by 'immunity demanding foreign secret agents', then I think its best Mr Bush stays home in Texas.

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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:26 am

Stupid question, but is that initial post a parody or serious? I'd have thought it couldn't be serious, but after reading the replies, I think it might be.  Confused
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:38 am

Could we have a source for this.

Some of the items on it are very legit, Protection of USSS agents from overzealous prosecution, a helicopter to survey routes being travel, the USSS remaining primarily resposible for protection while being authorized to use local resources.

Others such as rebuilding palaces and miniguns seem like they where written to take in Gullible anti-us types in Europe. In my analysis the quote was written to take actually steps the USSS does to protect a certain official and turn it against him.

Do you think that they would allow him to go there if everything wasn't up to their standards. They would make the Queen or Tony go to Crawford otherwise.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:44 am

Eg777er's list is for real, it's been in the British press for weeks. They not only wanted to close The City (the financial district), they actually wanted to close London all the way from The City to Westminster. This is like closing Manhattan from Battery Park to Times Square.

It makes us feel very proud of our PM and our country when we aren't allowed in our capital city, cos W's in town. Anyway I don't know what compromise has been cooked up but a lot of people who work in central London are being advised not to go to work next week. Thanks a lot Tony and George.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:45 am

Yeah, afraid it is.
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Most if it is of course, total bulls**t, but an example of signalling behavior. In that it shows how impotent, er, important a person he is. I work near the UN and when he comes to town (or when the UN is in session,) it is like an occupation. Most of it is unnecessary.
Also some of the more outrageous demands are probably put in as negotiating points. they can take that out and then get what they actually wanted. Like in labor management negotiations. Unions demand 2 day weeks and 100% raises, mgmt demands slavery and death penalty for lateness. They negotiate and get pretty much what they wanted in the first place.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:39 am

It's called paranoia, boys. This is the most paranoid American administration in history, and they even treat friends as possible enemies, so great is the paranoia.

Yes, 4 more years of this. Not.
 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:57 am

I don't mind Mr Bush travelling abroad, but if this means that the basic rights of the people whose country he is visiting are ignored and these people have a serious risk of getting shot at by 'immunity demanding foreign secret agents', then I think its best Mr Bush stays home in Texas.

On the contrary, perhaps the violent and uncivilized protestors can stay home while Bush is in the UK.

It's called paranoia, boys. This is the most paranoid American administration in history, and they even treat friends as possible enemies, so great is the paranoia.

If there was no terrorism, there would be no need for extraordinary security measures.

Unions demand 2 day weeks and 100% raises, mgmt demands slavery and death penalty for lateness.

Well, you are free to become an entrepreneur. Then you won't have to deal with either mgmt or unions in your own company. That would take guts though.




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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:00 am

L-188:

"Some of the items on it are very legit, Protection of USSS agents from overzealous prosecution..."

Overzealous prosecution? WTF is that?! Bush is VISITING another country, a coalition partner to be more precize. Prosecution of USSS agents would only take place in case anything 'nasty' would happen, to see whether these agents did the right thing. Granting them immunity beforehand for anything nasty which might happen might be something normal in the US, when visiting another country you'll have to comply with local law. If you don't want to comply, stay home.

Alpha 1:

For some more paranoia, I suggest you read this article "‘Paranoid’ US security push threatens future of transatlantic flights" http://ww1.sundayherald.com/38062
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:35 am

Look, speaking as a Londoner, I think this whole thing stinks and the whole city is really angry about it. America is supposed to be our friend and we went all the way to bat for them in Iraq, despite the fact that there was no threat either to us or the USA. But America is our friend and we went to war for them. As a thank you, British companies were excluded from bidding, let alone receiving, a single reconstruction contract in Iraq. And now Bush is coming to visit our capital and we're being treated like criminals, not allowed anywhere in our own city. If we're friends and partners, why are we being treated like this? I'm not anti-American but it looks like there are plenty of anti-Brits in Washington. So much for the 'Special Relationship'.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:39 am

One or two of you wanted documentary evidence of the kind of things that have gone on in preparation for this visit. The link is for an article that goes into detail about what seemed like quite a good idea at the time, but is rapidly turning into a bit of a nightmare for both the British and Americans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/11/16/nbush16.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/11/16/ixnewstop.html
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:48 am

When was the last US Presidential assassination? 1963.
The last that got close? 1981, (but does that plane flying at the White House a few years ago count?).
Both on US soil I might add.

Last PM assassinated? Don't know, early 19th century perhaps?
Last attempts? 1984 and 1991, by a terrorist group (now pretty much defunct) that was heavily funded by many US citizens.

Who out of the US and UK security agencies has had several decades of experience in anti terrorism, as opposed to the last decade or so?

Respectable news sources have quoted the measures asked for above, fortunately they've mostly been turned down.
I suppose they think the police/security services over here are all jolly unarmed Bobbies like some Hollywood caricature.


 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:56 am

So who's left being no enemy of GWB's United States? I guess this goes to show what you get when you let a Texan with zero experience and no knowledge of the world handle your country.

Plesae, give the "free world" someone it wants to call its "leader" the next time... like Clinton; if only he could run again.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:57 am

"I suppose they think the police/security services over here are all jolly unarmed Bobbies like some Hollywood caricature. "


That does about sum it up. We love those fuzzy hats on those gate guards..
 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:04 am

"Some of the items on it are very legit, Protection of USSS agents from overzealous prosecution..."


How about the decorated veteran British Major (Bush put his Iraq speech up in the Oval Office) who's reputation was dragged through the mud by the US Military on a half arsed allegation of "mistreating Iraqis" by a part time US soldier who had never been in combat before. But we still don't know which US servicemen killed ITN reporter Terry Pack, or who bombed and killed 18 Kurdish troops and severely injured a BBC news crew (John Simpson). Double standards people! In fact yet again (was well known in WW2) our troops get killed by trigger happy inexperinced kids with powerful weaponary ON THEIR SIDE. But only get an apology, if that.

We've been fighting terrorism on our own soil for 30 years and as the Bloody Sunday enquiry shows we're making ourselves accountable now for our actions. Also with some of the best trained and experienced counter terrorist Police, special forces and military in the world I think we can protect a jumped up Texan oil brat!!

Sorry, didn't mean to rant, just getting sick of the arrogance!
 
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Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:05 am

 Smile I got so riled I meant to say Terry Lloyd, not Terry Pack....sorry!
 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:29 am

Speaking as a NY'er..

Lame European, Russian and Asian Politicians get the same security measures when they visit the UN.

Traffic in Manhattan comes to a stand still, whole avenues are blocked.

This happens in NYC alot, so to all these "whiners" try hosting the UN.

See what security demands they make, politicians from Kruschev to Castro have come to the UN in NY.

No assasinations, no "pie" incidents.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:39 am

Blocking avenues and so on is what always happens, and I don't think anyone would be as mad as they are if it was only about shutting down road traffic in parts of London.

For what it's worth, Eg777er wrote "That large sections of London be closed to the general public, including the City of London (which Bush isn't going to visit!)." which is different from halting road traffic in parts of Manhattan. Just have a look at the list on top of this thread, I don't think any UN visitor would even dare to demand such measures.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:40 am

Oh and the best bit: He's going to have to pay the congestion charge on his bomb, bullet and bio-proof Cadillac Deville!

And with all the other vehicles he'll be using, the congestion charge could cost him £600 by the end of the week according to the Mail on Sunday.

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Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:43 am

Any state visit will probably earn the City of London less money (Congestion Charge) than they would without it.  Laugh out loud
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:00 am

Speaking as a NY'er..

Lame European, Russian and Asian Politicians get the same security measures when they visit the UN.

Traffic in Manhattan comes to a stand still, whole avenues are blocked.

This happens in NYC alot, so to all these "whiners" try hosting the UN.


Exactly. It's the same everywhere. This complaint about Bush's security requirements in London is just more thinly veiled anti-Americanism.

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Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:12 am

"Exactly. It's the same everywhere. This complaint about Bush's security requirements in London is just more thinly veiled anti-Americanism."

No we just have REAL experience of doing the job with the minimum of fuss, the IRA saw to that in the seventies and eighties. I think the problem here in Britain is that we are treated as if we don't know anything about protecting people or fighting terrorists. Remember quantity doesn't equal quality!

 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:12 am

If there was no terrorism, there would be no need for extraordinary security measures.

This is exactly what the terrorists want, bright boy-for us to limit freedom, to do things out of our character; to be paranoid-to act as you do-afraid. And that's how Bush's handlers look when they demand such crap-as afraid.
 
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Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:55 am

JeffM - Atleast the men in those fuzzy hats don't just go around shooting people. (note: The cop who shot 2 illigitimate children in like a year in Denver)

If Bush doesn't feel safe in a country as developed as Britain, he might as well just Stay in Texas. And to push for the measures that were declined (rightly) is rediculous - It's to the point where Bush thinks that Britain doesn't know anything about Security of it's own, and its' guests...

How closed-minded can he get?
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:01 am

Dubya will bring with him a few hundred secret service sharp shooters. I would imagine that is more enough if you consider all the security measures Scotland Yard and metropolitan police are taking along with all the baggage he's bringing.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:07 am

I would imagine that is more enough if you consider all the security measures Scotland Yard and metropolitan police are taking along with all the baggage he's bringing.

Gee whiz....sounds just like the security afforded Tony Blair when he visits the US.  Insane

It's a pretty thin argument to make yet more anti-Bush or anti-American comments based simply on a high level of security for a state visit.  Insane
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Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:13 am

Gee whiz....sounds just like the security afforded Tony Blair when he visits the US.

That was the point, bright boy, that everyone has been making on here: why should Bush demand that Britons practically evacuate the Island, because of his paranoia? The normal contingent, in a friendly nation like the U.K. will suffice. All this paranoia bullshit is what everyone's compalining about, and you, unbeknownst to yourself, agree with everyone else. So I'm sure you, wanting to kiss Bush's butt a little more, will need to revise what you said.

And Yyz717, no one made ANY anti-American or anti-Bush statements on here; they were simply pointing how hysterically stupid all these request made of the U.K. were.

But since you can't resist a big "smooooooooooch!" to Bush everytime someoen dares critsize him, you of course, had to chime in.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:17 am

WFT??? Where's the 'Anti--Americanism' in my post? Dude i didn't even criticise anyone in my post so on what basis do you accuse me of anti-americanism?
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:18 am

I don't believe Blair demanded that half of Washington be closed of to the general public. Nor did Blair demand immunity for his security forces in case they made a cock-up. Nor did Blair bring along a few 100 secutiry agents. Nor did his agents demand full control over the local PD and special forces.

I am all in favour of security, and I can perfectly understand that Bush requires more security than, say, Balkenende or Schröder. But that does not mean you can just demand everything.

Just let the Brits do their job. They are highly qualified in securing likely terrorist targets. After all, they have been doing so for many decades.

And, the UK is the largest ally you have. One of a select few too. If you can't trust them, than I don't see who you can trust.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:20 am

WFT??? Where's the 'Anti--Americanism' in my post?

Chill out Arsenol. Only my first sentence responded to your comment. My second statement was a general one directed at those opposing the security measures for Bush, not you. That's why I put it in a separate paragraph.

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Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:23 am

Arsenal, that's the usual thing he comes up with just to upset people...

Do just like me: ignore his crap!

For the rest: as long as they keep the protestors far away from him so that FOX news can show pictures of Dubya being welcomed in a peaceful environment, I guess it's ok...  Big grin
 
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Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:26 am

My second statement was a general one directed at those opposing the security measures for Bush, not you.

Dude, no one opposes security measures for Bush, for Christ sake!  Laugh out loud They opposed this obvious overkill, that you won't even acknowledge!! Are you so one-sided for Bush that you cannot see that all these demands were ridiculous? We all know Bush deserves proper security measures-no one has denied that, but half of the British Isles shouldn't have to shut down for him. Can't you see that? I didn't think so.
 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:30 am

We all know Bush deserves proper security measures-no one has denied that, but half of the British Isles shouldn't have to shut down for him. Can't you see that?

Don't exagerate. Security is not a binary issue...there are shades of grey. One person's adequate security is another's overkill.

half of the British Isles shouldn't have to shut down for him

Puh. Lease.

Exagerations like this are nonsensical.

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Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:31 am

>>>This is exactly what the terrorists want, bright boy-for us to limit freedom, to do things out of our character; to be paranoid-to act as you do-afraid. And that's how Bush's handlers look when they demand such crap-as afraid.<<<

I have to disagree. Terrorists want to disrupt ordinary citizens lives. Conversely they want to assassinate world leaders.
Regardless, the Brits will do what is deemed necessary to protect important VIP's. Not against British citizens who don't like Bush but against potential terrorists

>>>the sheer arrogance that some of these demands show is frightening.<<<

If arrogance is when someone does something you disagree with, if you do something someone else disagree's with are you arrogant?.

>>>Sorry, didn't mean to rant, just getting sick of the arrogance!<<<

I might be offbase but perhaps describing President Bush, "a jumped up Texan oil brat!!, seems slightly arrogant.

>>>Who out of the US and UK security agencies has had several decades of experience in anti terrorism, as opposed to the last decade or so?<<<

I give up, who? Oh I get it YOU. Well of course, you are wonderful and we are.....well let's not get into it.
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Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:32 am

Chill out Arsenol. Only my first sentence responded to your comment. My second statement was a general one directed at those opposing the security measures for Bush, not you. That's why I put it in a separate paragraph.

You blatantly accused me of anti-americanism, and now you are back tracking. Maybe you should think twice before making outrageous accusations?
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:34 am

Yyz717, please have a look at reply #4. I was entirely serious about that, I thought those demands were a joke made up by someone with time on his hands. Closing down London like from The City to Westminster just because of GWB visiting would be utterly insane, and would probably cost tens of millions of lost productivity.

Nobody's opposing tight security for your president, but it can't be like "I come, you leave" for anyone.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:36 am

Aresenal, he can't help himself: read the thread on the new Louisiana Governor: he always says stuff he can't back up, then he refuses to answer later. It's his M-O. His so far up Bush that he'll never see the light of day again.  Laugh out loud

I have to disagree. Terrorists want to disrupt ordinary citizens lives.

I'm not in disagreement with you, FDXMech. But when such outrageous measures are demanded, that messes up their lives, does it not? It's brought about by state-sponsered paranoia. Until the Bush Administration can act in a halfway normal fashion, and not act so scared all the time, such disruptions will continue, even if terrorists don't attack again. The fear by the Administration that they will is driving such stupidity.
 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:37 am

You blatantly accused me of anti-americanism

Read my last response Arsenol. Only my FIRST statement responded to you. I'll repeat it here:

Gee whiz....sounds just like the security afforded Tony Blair when he visits the US.

The following statement I made in the next paragraph was not directed at you Arsenol.

It's a pretty thin argument to make yet more anti-Bush or anti-American comments based simply on a high level of security for a state visit.

If you read Reply 27 again sans emotion, I'm sure you can see your mis-interpretation.

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Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:40 am

Yyz, stop preaching to him: you accused anyone on here, actually, who didn't agree with these ridiculous demands for overkill on security, as being anti-Bush or anti-American. You give us no proof or show now facts that what you say is true, but you put it out there, as a typical knee-jerk reaction anytime anyone critisizes Bush, even slightly.

Now, show us the anti-Americanism, will you? No? I didn't think you could.
 
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Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:41 am

>>>For the rest: as long as they keep the protestors far away from him so that FOX news can show pictures of Dubya being welcomed in a peaceful environment, I guess it's ok...<<<

Obviously you don't watch Fox News. Yet you like to scapegoat them for all your problems, real or imagined. Perhaps due to the arrogance of their, real or imagined crime of not subscibing to your POV.

Scapegoating can lead to undesireable events as history has taught us.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:43 am

Yyz717 & Alpha 1, I thought I'd let you know that you're putting a broad grin on my face. Thanks! Big grin
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:44 am

Obviously you don't watch Fox News.

No, maybe we watch something a little more unbiased that that GOP rah-rah outlet.  Laugh out loud
 
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Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:44 am

who didn't agree with these ridiculous demands for overkill on security

Ridiculous demands to some maybe be reasonable measures to someone else. Shades of grey. Everyone needs to keep an open mind rather just lambast Bush on these demands.

Now, show us the anti-Americanism, will you?

Gladly. Every single foreign leader to the UK is subject to iron clad security. There are no complaints about that....the complaints only seem to be associated with American or Bush state visits. That smacks of simply anti-Americanism to me.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:46 am

Yyz717, read the freakin' list of demands!!! You'd maybe see WHY Alpha 1 and everyone else is talking about an overkill THEN. How about denying you and everyone else entry to half of Toronto if Dubya went up there (well, IF)?

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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:50 am

STT757:

"This happens in NYC alot, so to all these "whiners" try hosting the UN. "

What a load of bullsh!t How about the money the people of NYC are making because that city hosts the UN! Look at the amount of people that work at the UN in New York on a permanent base. All these people and their families have to rent or buy a house, buy food, buy a car, send their kids to a school, see a doctor, visit the dentist, take a NYC taxi cab, go to fancy and not so fancy NYC restaurants, etc., etc.

Now look at Bush who's going to London for a couple of days. He won't be riding a London taxi generating revenue for the people he's pissing off. He's taking along his own limo!

Arsenal@LHR:

It's the new 'Sharon Tactic' Yyz717 is using. "Don't like being critisized? Accuse them of anti-semitism/anti-americanism." It works great for Sharon!

The funny thing is that Yyz717 isn't even American, but a 'Wanna-be-American' Canadian.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:50 am

Ridiculous demands to some maybe be reasonable measures to someone else.

Uh, wrong. You just don't have the balls to critisize Bush. That's what it boils down too. Those demands were out of line, and demeaning to the citizens of the U.K., and were rightly turned down. the U.K. is a free society, not a police state, and Bush's paranoid troup had no business demanding such things of the U.K. The normal contingent for a foreign trip should have sufficed.

I just think the Administration doesn't want protesters being seen in the nation that was our principal ally in this unjust war, and he doesn't want the embarrassment of large protests.

Gladly. Every single foreign leader to the UK is subject to iron clad security. There are no complaints about that....the complaints only seem to be associated with American or Bush state visits. That smacks of simply anti-Americanism to me.

Bullshit. You show me another foreign leader, of a western, allied nation, traveling to the UK, who demanded such outlandish things for security? If youcan prove it, I'll give you some slack. But you can't. You're problem, again, is you can't critisize Bush, and that's what this boils down to. If he demanded that everyone but Blair leave the UK, you'd find a way to justify it.

 
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:54 am

Gladly. Every single foreign leader to the UK is subject to iron clad security. There are no complaints about that....the complaints only seem to be associated with American or Bush state visits. That smacks of simply anti-Americanism to me.

You're at it again. No one is reserving special criticism for GWB, he's getting criticism because his entourage have made some pretty outrageous and wholly unrealistic demands. Closing down Westminster, which happens to be the busiest London borough in one of the busiest cities in the world on a mid-week day like wednesday is simply a non-event. The UK plays host to many foreign heads of state, yet none of them have made whacky demands like this, but one thing remains the same, they all get the highest level of security Britain can offer.
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RE: Bush Comes To London

Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:54 am

Yyz717, read the freakin' list of demands!!! You'd maybe see WHY Alpha 1 and everyone else is talking about an overkill THEN.

Shades of grey. The US leader is terrorist target numero uno, as are US citizens and institutions. I can think of about 3000 dead Americans who would agree with me (if they were still alive). Security should be tighter for him.

Knowing what the security measures are ahead of time will allow Londoners to adjust their schedules accordingly. Most Londoners will not be inconvenienced.

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