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Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:47 am

Stuff like this.....

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have"
-Former President of CBS News, Richard Salant

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease...He is an absolutely reprehensable person."
-USA Today Columnist Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas



More to follow..... add some if you want....
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:58 am

Maybe I should go grab my flamesuit.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:59 am

why because your from New Jersey?
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:13 am

I sense a lock in this thread's future....
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:16 am

If the mods are Dems or Liberals.... then you may be right.

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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:20 am

why because your from New Jersey?

I already have my nuclear waste site protection suit on... thank you! Big grin
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:23 am

"Fundamental, Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in."
-Former Democratic Congressman Peter Hoagland
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:27 am

the airport makes too much noise, we should try to close it down even though we moved into our house 40 years after it was built.

-every moron crying NIMBY about airports.
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:41 am

"There ought to be limits to freedom" G.W. Bush May 21 1999 .....
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:54 am

"There ought to be limits to freedom. We're aware of this site, and this guy is just a garbage man, that's all he is." -- George Jr.

Nice try...
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:02 am

If the mods are Dems or Liberals.... then you may be right.

One of the most idiotic statements I've ever read on here. Is that the depth of your thinking? Are you on a Rush overdose today, or what?  Laugh out loud

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

Barry Goldwater.

You know, two can play this idiotic game, Jeff.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:15 am

Sigh  Insane

JeffM, please check out this site... http://bushisms.com
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:21 am

Already have, but thanks for the link.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:27 am

I guess the "Bushisms" are all liberal lies ... Right JeffM ??? I guess if I was sponging off the government i.e. retired military I would love the republicans too.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:32 am

Is it the Liberals you dislike or Liberal ideas? If it's Liberal ideas you dislike, can you be more specific as to what you dislike exactly?

And if it's Liberal personalities you dislike, then it's a kid game and I'm not interested...
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:45 am

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I guess the "Bushisms" are all liberal lies ... Right JeffM ??? I guess if I was sponging off the government i.e. retired military I would love the republicans too.


So someone who served their country for 20+ years defending your freedom of speech and other constitutional rights is a sponge? I guess you would lump veterans in the same pile as drug addicts and welfare recipients. Its good to see how the liberal mind works DC10. LOL


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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:47 am

Seems to me you were in the military defending conservatives, and nothing else, Galaxy5. That's what it sounds like. Seems you have no use for liberals, or anyone who dare not tow the conservative line. Really makes me feel secure....
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:50 am

Galaxy5, Your getting a little off topic don't yah think ??? I worked at Dover before too.
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:52 am

Damn, I must be what I've always said: a moderate. On one hand, I'm argueing with an ultra-liberal, Dc10guy on certain subjects, and at the same time, I'm arguing with an ultra-conservative on others.

Makes me feel damn happy where I am politically.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:55 am

DC10 you working at dover has nothing to do with your statement of retired military being sponges of our society, thats off topic. And Alpha1 although i dont agree with your ideals or political agenda i do defend your right to have them and post on here as you wish i have never stated that you should'nt .If you don't like my beliefs thats fine, debate them dont just belittle them.
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:58 am

I dislike anyone who's motives are other than America's best interests. That includes both liberals and conservatives.

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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:59 am

Makes me feel damn happy where I am politically.
 Big grin
I do the same thing. Nothing wrong with it. Big grin

Dc10gy.....hurry up and get some more Liberals elected.... I think I need to sponge some more money from the Gov't. Oh wait... why don't you just send me your share now? "Baby needs a new pair of shoes "... Ya know?

Galaxy5...relax...He has the right to say what he wants...that IS the reason I served.... to protect his, yours, and everyone else's here. It's O.K., I'm just having fun.

~Jeff
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:01 pm

I'm not belittiing them, Galaxy5-they just scare the shit out of me, and moreso since such intolerance seems to be ramapant in the military these days, from what I can see.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:05 pm

JeffM, Don't lie. You served to get a pension for 50 years after you left. Plus free health care PX privileges etc. I think that's the common thread that links all republicans .... Their liars.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:09 pm

"My vision is to make the most diverse state on earth, and we have people from every planet on the earth in this state. We have the sons and daughters of every, of people from every planet, of every country on earth..." -Gray Davis 9/17/2003

"I did.. not.. have.. sexual.. relations with that woman,.. Ms. Lewinsky. I did not ask anyone to lie...ever...not a single time" -Bill Clinton

"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."- Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." - Bill Clinton, March 11, 1993 (USA Today, Page 2A)

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." - Bill Clinton, May 29, 1993

"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country." - Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, D.C.

"I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third term. Where's Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George Bush and Michael Dukakis no less." - Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, D.C.

"The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are racist. The law of gravity is racist." - Mayor Marion. Barry, Washington, DC

"The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% of which were black, were the ultimate sacrifice." - Mayor Marion. Barry, Washington, DC

"I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed the slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created slavery by law in the 1600's. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and he was not a Republican." - Mayor Marion. Barry, Washington, DC

"What right does Congress have to go around making laws just because they deem it necessary?" - Mayor Marion. Barry, Washington, DC

"There are a lot of very brilliant people who believe that the nation-state is fast becoming a relic of the past..."- President Clinton, New York Times, November 25, 1997

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..."-William J. Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993

"...When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it."- President Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough"

"It all depends on what your definition of 'is' is". -Bill Clinton

"The other thing we have to do is to take seriously the role in this problem of...older men who prey on underage women...There are consequences to decisions and...one way or the other, people always wind up being held accountable." -Bill Clinton, June 13, 1996, in a speech endorsing a national effort against teen pregnancy.

"I'll rule this country by executive order if Congress won't adopt my agenda.'' -Bill Clinton, 1998-Jul-4

"I share your view that the urgent problem of species extinction and the conservation of biological diversity should be addressed. The first step in saving any plant or animal from exticntion is to become aware of and respect the fragile ecosystems that make up our enviroment" -Vice president Al Gore, in 1996, in a letter to a Dallas couple who complained about the elimination of the "Texas Eagle." Gore didn't realize the "Texas Eagle" was an Amtrak train connecting Dallas to Chicago and the West coast.

"We are ready for any unforseen event that may or may not occur"--Al Gore

"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts."--Al Gore, 1998
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:10 pm

Dc10guy, again, you go WAAAAY over the limit. Not everyone serves to get the pension-many DO serve to serve their nation. And an ultra-liberal like you, bemoaning someone living off the government? Mercy! Isn't that what socialism-something you obviously espouse-is all about? I think you'd be thrilled.

You're as bad, in the opposite direction, as right-wing nuts like B757300. You're intolerant of others; you think everyone is giving you a line of bull, when you're in the middle of spreading the manuer yourself.

Go back to what you do best-screaming about big oil, or the death penalty, or in supporting killing unborn babies or something.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:12 pm

Dc10,

Nice try, How in the world did you know all that? Read it somewhere?

Jeff
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:14 pm

B757300,

You mentionned no ideas, only a bunch of citations taken out of context. Childish...
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:21 pm

First off all let me say that I've been a registered Repulican since I was 18 (wow 23 years since I turn 41 on Dec3) and i have to say the following...

In my opinion by law did Bush win the election? yes only due to the elctoral college. As too this whole anti-liberal rant I have to disagree while I am a republican I vote for whoever I fell his the best person for each individual office and for the best propostions for my community . If this means voting Democrat then that's what I do. The fact is Bush lost the popular vote and the will of the people was over-ruled by an electoral college that may or may not be relevant in today's world (I can just imagine this thread is Gore had lost the popular vote and Bush had won the election by "winning" the electoral college vote)

By politics are quite varied as i said I'll vote Democrat, Liberal,Conservative heck if we had a NDP candidate in the US and he was the best man for the job he would get my vote.

The world is not black and white and it's not those "dirty commies" against us. The myopic point of view of some is partly to blame for putting us in this no win situation.

Would we be in the same situation if Gore had "won"? that I do not know, would 9-11 still have happened? who knows.

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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:26 pm

The fact is Bush lost the popular vote and the will of the people was over-ruled by an electoral college that may or may not be relevant in today's world

Then have the Constitution amended. Until then, the electoral college is the law of the land regardless of who wins the so called "popular vote".

Would we be in the same situation if Gore had "won"? that I do not know, would 9-11 still have happened? who knows.

Of course it would have happened. It was being planned long before the 2000 election and long before Bush had won the White House.
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:01 pm

Guys, let's just give it a rest already. Jeff or B757300 won't change my views, and I won't change theirs. I've actually met Jeff in real life, and there's no point in talking politics. Aviation is a different story...

These liberal/conservative threads are getting ridiculous. If you dig deep enough, you can find a bunch of stupid shit that came from both the left and the right.

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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:16 pm

Thanks Alex. I respect your opinion. And though it won't stop those guys, I can lay off, there is a lot of stupid stuff from both side of the fence.

I'm done,
Jeff
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:23 pm

How can we say all of this when all politics is dirty, now if someone normal went into office, things would change for the better.... Just look at Jackson's presidency...

I will say this - I don't hate anyone on this forum, yes, we have different views.... so what?
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:39 pm

Welfare is not the same as a military retirement. Plain and simple.

I suppose the Lefties who think retired military members are sponges also feel the same way about Clinton collecting his pension from the tax payers?

Don't forget that if you're a US taxpayer, you're also paying 100% of Hillary's mortgage since her "security quarters" are billed to the government conveniently at the same amount as her full mortgage payment.

I guess they're not making a profit off of it, though. Most likely still tax deducting the interest, I'll bet.
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:29 pm

I don't dislike liberals at all. Most of my good friends are liberals. I admire their compassion and concern for others. I think they are well-meaning and have nothing but the best intentions. But I have fundamental problems with liberal ideology.

My biggest beef is the idea government has the responsibility to reshape society as the lawmaking elite see fit. A truly free society is a compelling moral ideal because all relationships are voluntary: no one has the right to use force or initimidation against anyone else. Courts exist to resolve such violations of personal freedom. The order that results, from culture to capitalism, is the product of millions of decisions by free and purposeful individuals, not a top-down system imposed by the heavy hand of government. People are free to make their own decisions, but they are also held accountable for their choices.

A utopian argument, however tenuous, can be made for statist society, but it is unworkable on a practical level. For example, realpolitik dictates that officials will inevitably use the uniquely coercive power of government not to look after the good of the country but to reward special interest groups. This process cannot be stopped by restricting political contributions, à la McCain-Feingold, because money and influence, like water, are constantly seeking the path of least resistence. The only way to stop corruption is to prevent the accumulation of power in the first place. Hence we return to the concept of a free society with minimal government interference. In this respect, I'm much more libertarian than conservative / Republican, but the Libertarian Party has been consistently unable to articulate its vision in a meaningful way.

Take one common objection to laissez-faire society: if government regulation is relaxed, business will be able to get away with anything. Enron is frequently pointed to as a "market failure." But if you look at the sequence of events in the Enron case, the financial markets were light-years ahead of the SEC at every point. Enron collapsed because the capital markets abandoned it once the scope of its wrongdoing became clear. The market, not the government, dealt the swiftest and most severe penalty for Enron's conduct, and investors and creditors, not the SEC, led the subsequent charge for uncovering further corporate fraud. Of course, the entire episode was truly unfair for Enron's employees, most of whom had no idea what was going on. But the reaction of the underappreciated capitalist system to Enron's chicanery was far more effective than the regulations so flagrantly disregarded by management.

On the other hand, for politicians, wheeling and dealing is a way of life: even the most well-meaning elected official learns that staying in office means making deals, even selling out. Here, a penalty is exacted for not playing the game, because if you won't sell influence, it's very possible that your opponent will. Former US Senator Paul Simon (D - Ill.), who seems like a very honorable and ethical person, gave a speech to our university last week and regretfully admitted as much in his remarks. Statist/liberal theory has no response to this problem, except the recommendation that we try to elect honest leaders and cross our fingers.

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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:40 pm

Most people have to wait until retirement age to get retirement pay. Ex-military people get their military retirement pay starting as early as age 37 (plus all the other bennies). Plus when they finally hit retirement age they get social security too. That's double dipping the government or sponging in my book. That old ugly hag Laura will be getting her retirement from the tax payers too.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:53 pm

Most people have to wait until retirement age to get retirement pay. Ex-military people get their military retirement pay starting as early as age 37 (plus all the other bennies). Plus when they finally hit retirement age they get social security too. That's double dipping the government or sponging in my book. That old ugly hag Laura will be getting her retirement from the tax payers too.

Wow...
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:03 pm

Sounds like Dc10 is jealous!! Oh well, I'm enjoying my military retirement. I worked for it, so I'll just enjoy it. Maybe sleep late tomorrow as well.....

I wonder what reason he has for not doing the same thing? Flat feet maybe?
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:08 pm

No, I had a career... I know, I know,wrong choice. Sponge away JeffM dude....
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:41 pm

Dc10guy, when you retire, you expect a pension from your employer. So, why shouldn't someone who had a career in the military do the same? His employer was the government, and the government should pay his pension.

Amazing, a socialist like you has no problem giving out welfare to any lazy ass who won't put in an honest days' work, but you scoff and scold someone who spent a lifetime in the miltary, for daring to want their pension? And you justify it by saying that they weren't in the military because they wanted to serve their country, but just wanted the pension. Wake up to some reality, son. There are better paying careers than the military, and most of the people in there don't use that lower pay to get the pension.  Laugh out loud
 
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Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:57 pm

Ex-military people get their military retirement pay starting as early as age 37 (plus all the other bennies). Plus when they finally hit retirement age they get social security too. That's double dipping the government or sponging in my book.

It's the same here in Cda....ex-military types can get full-pension after 20 years service which for some people can be as young as age 40. The rationale is to keep the armed forces young. Who wants 55yo soldiers?

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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:09 pm

Dislike Liberals Because?

Because they think that they are morally superior to everyone else.

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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:17 pm

I guess because those who dislike liberals haven't got brains enough to judge something for themselves and take the words of Hannity, O'Reilly or Limbaugh as the gospel truth.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:23 pm

Because they think that they are morally superior to everyone else.

This is not an idea you criticize, rather a perceived behavior. Also, I'd say Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, no liberals by any mean, also think of themselves as morally superior.

Cfalk, I know you can do better than that.
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:27 pm

Cfalk, it seems to me that Conservatives think they are the ones that are morally superior. If not, why do they always throw God at people, and try to pass Amendments to protect the word "God" in the pledge?

The superiority complex resides with the extremes on both sides, in fact, not just one side. It's one of the problems in the U.S. today.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:01 am

You are missing one big difference between welfare and a military retirment. Someone on welfare is getting something for NOTHING. Someone who served the nation for 20 years, moving frequently, putting their life on the line and pretty much having little to no control over their own desitiny deserves those PX privlidges, free health care, and pension. Many of them even go get a second career because even though its a pension it is not always a lot of money. If you want a mandatory draft for everyone at age 18 just try taking away some of the military benefits. Whats next? kill off the free college money people in the military get? A career in the military puts someone in line for at least 20 years (if they want to retire) of pay below the industry average in whatever field they may be in, moving all over the world, and possibly getting shot at. There has to be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, if you call the pension or free college money that otherwise not that many people would do it. Many jobs in the civilian world would allow you to collect pension benefits at 20 years but they would be small and without nearly so many other benefits but then again not too many people get shot at sitting behind a desk in a normal job.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:24 am

Frankly, I dislike HYPOCRITES! And there are plenty on BOTH sides of the political fence.
 
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:28 am

Cfalk, it seems to me that Conservatives think they are the ones that are morally superior. If not, why do they always throw God at people, and try to pass Amendments to protect the word "God" in the pledge?

Also, I'd say Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, no liberals by any mean, also think of themselves as morally superior.


This is what I was talking about in another thread. God and Jerry Falwell have little to do with the type of conservatives I'm talking about.

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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:42 am

For those who believe that military retirement benefits are "sponging":

The way it works is that at twenty years, a person is allowed to retire from the military with pension benefits. These benefits are PX, BX, or NEX privileges, and half your pay rate at retirement. For a Chief like JeffM, this would be $1591.35 per month, or $19,096.20 per year. That is not very much money. And remember, he was only making $38,192.40 a year on active duty. For a highly skilled worker, that is not very much money.

Also, remember that he gave up 20 years of his life to the service of his country. Those were 20 years were the average sailor (I don't know about JeffM) could spend more than half of that away from home. Imagine not being there for things like your baby's birth, or son or daughter's graduation. These are things that military personnel give up to serve their country. I believe that $20k a year is not to much to say thank you.

Respectfully,

Navymidn

P.S. These are the men who protect, or have protected, your right to say they are sponging.
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RE: Dislike Liberals Because?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:19 am

Hey thanks Ed! I appreciate it.

Yes, a lot of time away from home. I really wish my wife had told me about the kids though. What did they look like? (just kidding...)

Jeff

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