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Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:57 am

Some good news on the real war on terror.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20031125161509990003&_mpc=news%2e6

Yemen Arrests Top al-Qaida Figure
By AHMED AL-HAJ, AP

SAN'A, Yemen (Nov. 25) -- Security forces on Tuesday captured one of the top al-Qaida members in Yemen, a suspected mastermind of the deadly suicide bombings of the USS Cole and a French oil tanker off the country's coast.

Mohammed Hamdi al-Ahdal was arrested after Yemeni forces surrounded his hide-out west of the capital, San'a, the Interior Ministry said in a statement carried on the official SABA news agency.

A U.S. counterterrorism official in Washington confirmed al-Ahdal's capture. The official said he had been among the top 20 al-Qaida figures at large.

Al-Ahdal played a role in the terror group's finances, weapons smuggling and operational planning and was well-connected to other extremists in Persian Gulf countries, the official said.

In neighboring Saudi Arabia, meanwhile, security forces foiled a planned terror attack in the capital Tuesday, killing two militants and seizing a car bomb ready to detonate on the first day of festivities marking the end of Ramadan, the Saudi government said.

Al-Ahdal, also known as Abu Assem al-Makky, is one of the two main leaders of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network in Yemen, according to security reports published in the Yemeni press.

Yemeni security officials believe the Saudi-born al-Ahdal, 32, was one of the masterminds of the 2000 bombing of the Cole, which killed 17 U.S. sailors, and the 2002 bombing of the French oil tanker Limburg.

In each of those attacks, an explosive-laden boat was piloted up to the larger ship and detonated. The Limburg attack killed a Bulgarian crew member and spilled 90,000 barrels of oil into the Gulf of Aden.

Al-Ahdal, who is on the U.S. list of wanted terrorists in Yemen, also was accused of planning an abortive attack last year on a five-star hotel where some FBI investigators were staying.

The Interior Ministry statement said al-Ahdal was found after several months of extensive efforts by security forces.

Witnesses said security forces fired in the air to force al-Ahdal to surrender. The official statement did not mention any shooting.

Al-Ahdal has been described as the main coordinator of al-Qaida activities in Yemen, ranking second to Qaed Salim Sinan al-Harethi, bin Laden's top lieutenant in Yemen who was killed last November in a missile attack from a CIA-operated Predator drone.

Al-Harethi, who was in his mid-40s, was believed to have coordinated the attack on the Cole. He first met bin Laden in the 1980s during the war against Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, and the two met again in Sudan, where bin Laden went in the 1990s.

Yemeni media reported that al-Harethi was replaced in the al-Qaida hierarchy by Abu Ali el-Kandahari.

The Yemeni security reports say al-Ahdal fought in Bosnia and in Chechnya, where he lost his left leg below the knee and was fitted with an artificial leg. He allegedly traveled several times to Afghanistan in 1999 and 2000, and to Ethiopia in August 2000.

Al-Ahdal was arrested in Saudi Arabia in 1999 and spent 14 months in prison for maintaining connections with bin Laden. He was then deported to Yemen.

He is married and has four children.

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Another scumbag off the streets. I love the last line about his family life.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:10 pm

Nice cut and paste.  Big thumbs up
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:16 pm

Lets send him to Guantanamo and after we extract all we need to know, put him before a tribunal.
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:18 pm

Nice cut and paste.

Yes, I know such a think is difficult for you, JeffM, so I'm glad you appreciate something that's really so simple.  Laugh out loud
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:19 pm

It's just that you are so good at it.... Wow!
 
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:21 pm

Wish I could say you're good at something, but I haven't figured out what that might be, except for puttind down those who refute anything you believe in, without actually having sound arguments in return.

I know, long sentences like that confuse you. Sorry.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:26 pm

I never said I believed any of that stuff did I? Down boy down...

Alpo, you were saying something about long sentences? Continue please, we are all waiting desparately to hear you mutter something else...


 
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:35 pm

I never said I believed any of that stuff did I?

That's what I've been trying to find out-WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? All I see are insults torwards anyone who doesn't agree with the GOP or Bush, but what do YOU think on subjects? That's what I've been trying to drag the hell out of you. Debate the fucking issues that are being brought up, OK? That's why I give you shit, man! Can't you figure that out by now.

And again stop embarrassing yourself by intentionally misspelling my handle. It embarrasses me not at all, but it sure makes you look bad.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:39 pm

No, most of the insults here are pointed toward you. I don't really want to debate, I'm just tired of listening to you here. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry about the "handle" "good buddy". Smokin cool

 
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Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:47 pm

If that's the case, you're even more worthless than I first thought. I still think it's because you can't think of anything on your own, and are so mentally inept this is the best you can do.

But keep embarrassing yourself, JeffM. I've outlasted much better people than you on here.
 
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Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:02 pm

The real war on terror?

Is there one made from Soybeans or plastic?

But back to the subject, the Yemeni's dun did gut  Big thumbs up

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Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:12 am

Lets send him to Guantanamo and after we extract all we need to know, put him before a tribunal.

Traditionally, punishment follows after trial.
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:20 am

How you even find out about terrorist in Yemen was capture with CIA or FBI. How is possible you thought know about those al-qaeda by the terrorist list from FBI. Keep with those bad guys off from their country in USA either. Is that was going to the prison into the long time.
 
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:39 am

No, L-188, the war in Iraq had nothing to do with terror. It had everything to do with neocon worldview. Is that clearer for you?

(soon to be followed by mindless, thoughtless barbs from JeffM, which will be ignored, as all his shit will be from now on.)
 
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:54 am

Welcome to the Guantanamo Bay Country Club! Please check your bags at the concierge.

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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:56 am

Commander rabb, you're a pretty sick person, to get some pleasure out of that, even if some of these guys deserve it.

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Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:01 pm



Head down, broken, in shackles, and being escorted to dinner.

Yeah, I like that.
 
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:12 pm

Yeah, I like that.

Yes, I thought you liked being branded an Ugly American. Thanks for agreeing with me.
 
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:05 pm

Thomas Sowel. Jan 10 2002

<< In a war, you do not read Miranda rights to captured enemy soldiers or let them phone their attorneys. If you catch them behind your lines not wearing their own uniforms, you can legally shoot them as spies. If international terrorism is not quite the same as war, it is also not the same as ordinary domestic crime, so maybe you need some new institutions to deal with it. But you don't just blithely give international terrorists all the same rights as your own citizens in ordinary courts of law.

After World War II, when people really were serious, Nazi war criminals were tried in a court created for that occasion, enforcing international norms that had never been put into law before. These war criminals were then hanged without undue delay or hand-wringing. Why today's terrorists deserve any better is hard to see. >>
 
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:22 pm

In other news, slightly related, the USS Cole went back to sea the day before yesterday, after being repained following that terrorist attack this guy is accused of planning.

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Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:34 pm

"Why today's terrorists deserve any better is hard to see."

Correct, they should not deserve better. They deserve worse. They get too much indirect sympathy because the United States is perceived as the cowboy going it alone and other nations want to have a sit down with these criminals and talk it out.

People today have a warped sense of reality. They think we live in some sort of daisyland where everything in life is fair and with a little sympathetic talk everything will be juuuuuuuust fine. These terrorist thugs would just as soon shoot you in the head than listen to the first strings of Kumbaya.

War is ugly. Make the decision, plan your battle, fight to the end, but lets make the other s.o.b. die for his cause first! That's how you win wars and that's how the United States is going to win this war on terrorism. Plain and simple.
 
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:41 pm

Commander rabb, you and I don't agree often or see eye to eye, but you're absolutely on the money with that last post.
 
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:57 am

In other news, slightly related, the USS Cole went back to sea the day before yesterday, after being repained following that terrorist attack this guy is accused of planning.

Repained?? You mean repaired or repainted??

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Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:53 am

Head down, broken, in shackles, and being escorted to dinner.

Yeah, I like that.


Please, remind us - what were these people convicted of? What is the evidence against them? Where, in the irksome Geneva convention, is there a clause allowing you to create an entirely new category of prisoner without the rights of either POW or spy or citizen?
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:56 am

The Geneva convention applies to conventional fighters. Not terrorists who target 3,000 innocent people. They deserve worse treatment (ie: the treatment they would get in their native lands).
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:04 am

The Geneva convention applies to conventional fighters. Not terrorists who target 3,000 innocent people. They deserve worse treatment (ie: the treatment they would get in their native lands).

That's strange.

1. I don't remember seeing any such exemption in the convention. Can you point it out?

2. Surely, the 9/11 terrorists died on the day? Presumably these people should suffer on their behalf though, because somebody (we don't know who) says that they're members of the same terrorist group (but nobody's allowed to see the evidence).

3. Whatever happened to your moral superiority?
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:09 am

The Geneva convention applies to combatants engaged in conventional warfare. Not terrorists. Terrorists are not POW.

With moral superiority comes justice. Swift justice. Not the kind of leniency that is seen in Europe today.
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:28 am

The Geneva convention applies to combatants engaged in conventional warfare. Not terrorists. Terrorists are not POW.

So, it's labelled a war when it suits you, but not when it doesn't suit you?
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:37 am

With moral superiority comes justice. Swift justice.

Some might think that "Swift justice" is incompatible with "A year or two of imprisonment & interrogation, no trial yet".


[Edited 2003-12-02 00:37:49]
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:45 am

The Geneva convention applies to combatants engaged in conventional warfare. Not terrorists. Terrorists are not POW.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva03.htm#art5
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ARTICLE 5

The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation.

Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal.


What competent tribunal made the judgement of the status of the Guantanamo detainees ?
 
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:50 am

and where did al-queda respect the geneva convention bob rayner?

what noone has expalined to me is how all these innocent people just ahppened to be at terrorist training camps. did they just fall out of the sky?

have you noticed those against america havent welcomed this capture?
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:50 am

So, it's labelled a war when it suits you, but not when it doesn't suit you?

So targetting 3,000 innocent human beings is not terrorism? Incredible  Insane
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:54 am

and where did al-queda respect the geneva convention

Why is that an issue ? Hermann Goering, Ernst Kaltenbrunner et al didn't exactly follow the Geneva Convention in WW2 either, yet were accorded the rights formalized in the GC.
 
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:57 am

al qaeda didn't respect the convention. The terrorists are not conventional fighters and therefore they should not be treated as such. Treating them as POW is an insult to the many soldiers who have fought (or have died fighting) for their countries, according to this convention.
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:57 am

why is it an issue then barbag that the status of these people is unclear?
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:10 am

The funny thing is, these guys were fighting a WAR in Afghanistan, trying to protect the Taliban government. They weren't flying the planes into WTC, the Pentagon or a corn field. They were soldiers fighting for a government.

Besides, what 3000 people are you guys referring to? As far as I know, it was only a little over 2500 who died on 11/9/2001.

Oddly enough, I'm actually amazed that there haven't been more suicide attempts in Gitmo. I mean, if I had to wear a mask, blindfold AND hearing protection just when going out for some fresh air, I would have lost my sanity within a VERY short time.
 
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:10 am

why is it an issue then barbag that the status of these people is unclear?

I'm not sure what you're asking. My statement was that the Germans were accorded rights according to the GC despite not adhering to it themselves, which is not the case with Al Qaeda detainees.

Article 5 of the GC is essentially an inclusion clause for cases where the status of combatants is unclear. It states that unless the status has been adequately determined (though I'm unsure what the specific definition of 'competent tribunal' is, according to the GC) the combatants shall be granted the same rights as those accorded to legitimate POWs. Claiming that the GC applies only to legitimate combatants is a misrepresentation, as my quote from the convention shows.

Look at this from an unemotional viewpoint. I'm Indian; my country faces a great deal of terrorism too, and I find the Al Qaeda just as reprehensible as you would. Certainly it seems unfair that terrorists like Al Qaeda members are accorded the same POW rights as a legitimate soldier. But you can either choose to follow the GC to the letter and accord the Guantanamo detainees the same rights as legit POWs, or you can throw the GC out of the window and accept criticism from other countries. The latter is what you see on this thread.
 
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:15 am

have you noticed those against america havent welcomed this capture?

Against America? Binary politics again?
Personally, I welcome the capture. That doesn't make such an appealing strawman though.

So targetting 3,000 innocent human beings is not terrorism? Incredible

I don't recall ever saying that - it's certainly not my intention. Maybe you know my mind better than I do, though.

If they're supposed to be terrorists, try them as terrorists. If they're supposed to be prisoners of war, treat them as prisoners of war.

how all these innocent people just ahppened to be at terrorist training camps.

They were at terrorist training camps? If so, then I'd agree that they deserve either criminal trial & punishment, or the usual POW treatment; take your pick depending on whether or not you think the term "prisoner of war" actually applies to combatants captured in enemy territory during the "war on terror".

If. Do you have any evidence to back it up, or should we just take your word for it?

and where did al-queda respect the geneva convention

Generally, they didn't. Why, does that make the USA exempt from the resolution? Also, do you have any evidence to show that these people were in Al Qaeda?

Treating them as POW is an insult to the many soldiers who have fought (or have died fighting) for their countries, according to this convention.

"An insult to veterans" is a new argument, but unfortunately it doesn't appear in many laws that I know of, and certainly not the Convention.

why is it an issue then barbag that the status of these people is unclear?

"unclear" is perhaps not the right term. "disputed" would be more appropriate.

To you, it's clear that they are guilty by default, and such terrorists should not be dignified with evidence, or a trial, or any of the other petty annoyances required by modern justice and morality.

To some others, it's clear that they are prisoners of war; they were captured during a war.
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:15 am

Europeans you keep mentioning proof, trust or fair...

Why don't you believe? What you rather believe the terrorists?

Just imagine how they would treat you if they got a hold of you, and you'll know who is more just...

They hate nothing else...No other motive needed for them to kill...Scary...

Just think about who you are opposing and who you are defending...

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Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:22 am

bob, wheres u evidence to say they werent at camps.

why were over 1000 people apparently in afghanistan then? they werent aid workers.
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:43 am

Why did many Danes, Norweigans etc. go to Finland prior to WW2? They weren't there as aid workers too....

I think most of those people are/were convinced that the US attack on Afghanistan was a part of a Christian crusade against their religion. Thye might not have had the idea themselves, since a lot of Imams sure hell were speaking for the Talibans and against the US. Of course, they needed training, so they were put in training camps - would you consider "boot camp", where people learn to shoot to kill other people, terroist training camps too? Sure you wouldn't, but the winner writes the history (and erases the parts they don't want people to know about - like the Gulag camps in the USSR & the shooting of Polish officers by Soviet troops when USSR invaded Poland in 1939).

Windshear, what would happen if they got a hold of us? Would we be blindfolded? Disoriented? Be put in a cell and left to rot?

I'm not defending terroists, I just think people need to get their names correct. Yes, they defended a terroist regime, who defended a terroist network. And no, that doesn't make them terroists by default.
 
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:49 am

"I think most of those people are/were convinced that the US attack on Afghanistan was a part of a Christian crusade against their religion"

well so they are stupid as well then? stupid enough to believe the nonense peddled by al aqueda. if there was to be a christain crusade against islam then mecca would have been bombed and jersualem seized.
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:55 am

I still don't understand how long-term imprisonment & interrogation without trial is a part of Swift justice.

bob, wheres u evidence to say they werent at camps.

Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?
Presumably that is as irrelevant as the GC?

why were over 1000 people apparently in afghanistan then? they werent aid workers.

Then, we get to the boring bit.  Wink/being sarcastic

1000 people is not such a large number for a whole country. For comparison, how many foreigners are in Canada or the UK right now? Maybe a million? (yes, these are countries with much better economies and infrastructure, but are they much more than a thousand-fold more?)

Whilst I would agree that there were probably terrorists in Afghanistan, there were lots of other people too. Even in Afghanistan, many people would have been visiting family, doing business, going to medressahs, and - yes - doing aid work. This makes it difficult to assume that any foreigner in Afghanistan was a terrorist.

If being a foreigner in an axis-of-evil country is evidence enough, then my holidays probably qualify me for indefinite imprisonment & interrogation too.

Why don't you believe? What you rather believe the terrorists?

Just imagine how they would treat you if they got a hold of you, and you'll know who is more just...

They hate nothing else...No other motive needed for them to kill...Scary...

Just think about who you are opposing and who you are defending...


Aha! More binary politics. If you don't believe what the Bush administration says, you're backing terrorists!
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:08 am

Go Canada! - isn't Jerusalem already seized by the Israelis? I remember reading that it was supposed to be international territory, but that the Israelis had seized complete control of the city. But I may be wrong on that.

Keep in mind that some of these people have also been promised a seat in Heaven along with 40 virgins. A lot of people find themselves in hopeless situations and just then, someone with a lot of charisma, who knows how to smoothen a person, might approach that person and show them "the light". And then they might become VERY radical, who are willing to believe that the US is all evil and who won't listen to facts or anything.
 
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:48 am

well so they are stupid as well then? stupid enough to believe the nonense peddled by al aqueda. if there was to be a christain crusade against islam then mecca would have been bombed and jersualem seized.

Al Qaeda does not have a monopoly on idiotic statements.
For instance - here and now - people say things like this:
"They are subhuman so why should we treat them otherwise."
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:17 pm

Some of you want to give these Al-Qaeda members all the luxuries of our laws, conventions, and our sympathy.

While all these Al-Qaeda members could care less about our laws, conventions, and our sympathy. They want an Islamic world and death to infidels. Their way and no other.

Why so many of you on here just don't seem to get that is telling about the mind set some of you have.

Thankfully in the real world, there are still people who realize that these people are an extreme threat and should be dealt with in the most extreme manner. Hence your Guantanamo and a few other nameless places you have not heard about.

 
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:22 pm

"An insult to veterans" is a new argument, but unfortunately it doesn't appear in many laws that I know of, and certainly not the Convention

I never said this was in the convention. It was simply my opinion, please try to be more flexible and less one dimensional.

think most of those people are/were convinced that the US attack on Afghanistan was a part of a Christian crusade against their religion

So what was the US supposed after 9/11? If anything they showed great restraint. Restraint that many other countries wouldn't have shown.
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:31 pm

Gee, Rabb, I hope you're not caught by any extremists, because then you would be tortured, since they know what you want to do to them...  Insane - it works both way, only that the US have sunk themselves to the level of 3rd world countries, instead of trying adhere to the GC and setting an example.

So what was the US supposed after 9/11? If anything they showed great restraint. Restraint that many other countries wouldn't have shown.

Showing great restraint? In what way? You mean, they should have attacked straight away on 12/09 2001? I think you'd find it had more to do with the logistics than the great moral strength of the US at the time. What they could do? They might have tried to reach out to great Muslim communities around the world, and, oh, I don't know, tried to show that the Koran doesn't say a word abou 40 virgins in heaven etc.
 
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:34 pm

Showing great restraint? In what way? You mean, they should have attacked straight away on 12/09 2001? I think you'd find it had more to do with the logistics than the great moral strength of the US at the time. What they could do? They might have tried to reach out to great Muslim communities around the world, and, oh, I don't know, tried to show that the Koran doesn't say a word abou 40 virgins in heaven etc.

They removed an oppressive government that was supporting terrorism. Would you rather have the Taliban in power today? I'm sure most Afghans are happier today.

Also, I think it's the duty of the Muslim world to figure out the Koran and what it says.
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RE: Big Al-Qaeda Figure Arrested In Yemem

Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:44 pm

Marco,
You didn't answer my question - were they supposed to attack the following day with 0 soldiers and a limited Carrier cover? I say no, so the great restraint is out the window.

Yes, they removed a government that was supporting Al Qaeda, as for the Taliban, as far as I know, they pretty much rule outside the major cities, and Karzai only rules Kabul due to his provided bodyguards & the allied soldiers in the area. Oh, and the Afghan people? The women, in most cases, still have less rights than dogs according to this: http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/ai-women2.htm

Indeed, it's the muslim worlds duty, but like we have people like Roy Moore in the Christian world, so does the Muslim world have people who misinterpret the Koran.

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