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If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:52 pm

This kind of ties in to the classic "Darwin Awards" that come up from time to time. But I frequently ask myself why is it that if something is good, fun, or if it works, we must ban it? Why do we have to suffer because of someone elses stupidity?

Here is a short list right off the top of my head of things that have been banned:


Lead Based paint:

Supposedly this is because a handful of kids allegedly developed cancer as a result of this product being used in their bedrooms. Was that ever proven? Houses were painted with it inside and out for decades. Three generations of Americans (including myself) grew up in the presence of lead based paint with no ill effects.

Of course, lead based paint is better quality, lasts longer, and is cheaper than water or oil based. So it must be banned.


Phen-Phen:

Anyone remember this stuff from the mid 1990's? This was a weight loss supplement that actually worked.

Of course, a handful of desperate lardasses took three times the recommended dosage and keeled over from a herat attack. Forget the fact that this product, if it was taken PER THE DIRECTIONS, it was truly a helpful susbtance to aid in weight loss.

Speaking of which, now I understand that Ephedrine is going to be banned effective 01/01/04. It's the same story as Phen-Phen. This stuff works-IF TAKEN PROPERLY. But a teenage kid and a baseball player overdo it, and die, now we all have to suffer. Forget the fact that this is a naturally occurring substance. But no, we must ban it.

Fireworks: Anyone else see the irony of outlawing a freedom celebration item? Due to the carelessness of a few assholes and irresponsible parents, a few kids blew their hands off-or burned their houses down. Whose fault is that? I am now 30, and have been celebrating 4th of July with fireworks since I was 8 years old and I have never done anything worse than lightly singe a finger or two. A few minutes in cold water, and it was fine. I have never set a fire as a result of fireworks. Not bad for a 22 year and counting run.

Off Road Vehicles

It seems like every place there is a place where people go to enjoy their dune buggys or ATV's, some "environmental" group comes along screaming about how the dune buggys are endangering the "threatened California Barking Spider" (if there even is such a thing) and how the riding mus immediately be stopped.

Hemp and hemp related products: Forget about "grass" for a minute. The potheads will always be potheads, and those who don't smoke, will continue not to smoke. What about the hemp plant itself? Considering that the hemp plant yields better quality, longer lasting, and cheaper paper products, and clothing, not to mention the fact that farming hemp could meet our current needs at half the price while slowing the destruction of our forests almost to a standstill, I find it amazing to see that it's still illegal.

I guess the good folks at Weyerhauser and DuPont contribute heavily to the US government to keep it illegal.

So why is this? Are people who try and "protect" 'endangered' habitats and species really animal/earth lovers? Or are they people haters with a big chip on their shoulder and an ax to grind?

These are people who don't seem to enjoy anything in life, other than doing whatever they can to suck the joy out of everyone elses.

Kinda makes you wonder.....



 
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:12 am

There are so many stupid people out there, it's just not even funny.

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:22 am

On the contrary, they should be promoting these products. Stupid people will die off, increasing the quality of the gene pool, and the world will be a better place for it in 100 years.

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:36 am

How about wanking? It's good, fun, works (the mess is a chore).

Time to ban it?
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:38 am

I guess the good folks at Weyerhauser and DuPont contribute heavily to the US government to keep it illegal.

That is the cause of a lot of America's and the world's problems. It's one of the manifestations of corporate greed.


Stupid people will die off, increasing the quality of the gene pool, and the world will be a better place for it in 100 years.

I am currently reading Charles Darwin's "The Origin of Species". If anyone here hasn't read it, I highly recommend you get a copy. I have no problem with letting nature do a bit of 'natural selection'. Good call, Charles.



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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:50 am

>>Three generations of Americans (including myself) grew up in the presence of lead based paint with no ill effects.


That's debatable Matt.... Big grin

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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:51 am

I really did turn out fine. The oak tree in my backyard told me so, although I had a hard time hearing it because that parked car kept following me around.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:54 am

Actually, here in Missouri, fireworks are still legal! There are 100s of shops that set up on the borders of Illinois and Kansas so people from those states can come over here to buy them!

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:07 am

There goes Sebolino rejecting the notion of individual responsibility and instead requiring society to ensure that never will and individual be held responsible or accountable for their own actions.

Cfalk makes an excellent point.

I'd add to it that we should have a sliding scale for speeds around school zones.

Elementary - 15 mph
Middle School - 20 mph
Jr High - 30 mph
High School 45 mph

If you can't cross the street by yourself by the time your in high school, natural selection does need to run its course. Why should taxpayers continue to fund the education of some morom who at the age of 16 -18 years old still hasn't learned to cross the street.

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:37 am

Here's the deal...particularly in the case of Phen-fen - they can either ban it, or, they can allow the companies to close on their own because of the lawsuits that get filed when someone gets "injured" from it. Same thing with lead based paints and to a lesser degree - fireworks. As long as juries can be found that give little consideration to "personal responsiblity" and award company killing penalties because a product that is known to be dangerous if used improperly, or if used by people with certain medical conditions, even though the person suing used the product on their own accord.

Look at tobacco - it's had a warning lable for nearly 40 years that says they can kill you. Advertising on TV and radio has been banned for almost as long, and print ads may have a sexy babe in the photo, but it's got a box that's just as big as the picture telling you it's hazardous. Despite that, some folks still use tobacco - then sue the tobacco companies (and win) when they fall ill.

Look at aircraft manufacturers. There's a case going on right now in Missouri concerning the crash that killed governer Carnahan. Nevermind that the plane took off in less than desireable weather conditions at night, the family is suing the manufacturer of the flight instruments because, had they not failed, the governer wouldn't have died. Of course, they play down the part about if the governer would have opted to stay overnight in St Louis, he wouldn't have died either.

So...you can either have the government ban things, or let the public put the companies out of business with product liablity lawsuits.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:40 am

Lead Paint?
Phen-phen?
SUVs?

Damn...these products..and all that associated liability is rapidly making me a millionaire!

'Bad' is definitely 'good' for some of us!
 
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:40 am

Good point GoingBoeing: Lawyers are the real root of the problem.

BTW, I happen to agree with you. I'm not making a snide comment when I say that there are too many litigious people seeking unwarranted compensatory awards.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:47 am

When I was a kid, toys had little spring-loaded missiles that they'd shoot. They were REALLY cool, and made the toys loads of fun.

Then the media started collectively hyperventilating about these "killer toys" because some idiot let their unsupervised 2 year old play with them, who promptly fired the missiles down their own throat and choked to death.

Products FLEW off store shelves, banned in the name of "protecting the children."

Remember Jarts (lawn darts)? I do. They were fun and easy to use.

Then the media started collectively hyperventilating about this "killer toy" because some idiot let their unsupervised 5 year old play with them, who speared his little friend through the head with one, killing him.

Once again, products FLEW off store shelves, banned in the name of "protecting the children."

Records and cassettes (which is what I bought as a teenager) never used to have labels on them, save for the price tags. Remember, this was back when music was about partying and having a good time, not the sullen "I'm a disaffected young person" or "Yo, yo...smack my bitch up!" crap that gets airplay today.

Then along came Tipper Gore and her band of self-righteous nodding heads. "Music can be dangerous!" they wailed. "'Fight for your right to party?' I think not!"

Then the media started collectively hyperventilating about the "killer music" because some suicidal teenage idiot blasted half his head off with a 12 gauge.

Yet again, products FLEW off store shelves, banned in the name of "protecting the children." They eventually returned, sporting big black "WARNING: EXPLICIT LYRICS" labels on them, again in the name of "protecting the children."

Why is it that things are always restricted or removed under the guise of "protecting the children," you ask?

Easy. Because some people believe parents can't be trusted to supervise their kids or teach them right from wrong.

The idea of parental responsibility has been removed, and people are letting the government have more and more control over how they raise their kids.
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:48 am

There goes Sebolino rejecting the notion of individual responsibility

Arf.

You're a master N6534354n.

Lead paint was forbidden because very small children of poor neighboorhoods where the building were in bad shape, ate the paint which tasted good to them, and had lead intoxication.

Now if you want to talk about individual responsibility of 3 years old children that's your problem. Well that fits well with your opinions. And more of that, if those children are not capable of taking care of themselves, they deserve to die in the streets. That's true why should the rich taxpayers give their hard-earned money to small brown faced parasites ?
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:01 am

Sebolino - I'm 46 and although I didn't grow up in the inner city, I did have lead paint on my crib, which I chewed my fair share of. I thus far have suffered no ill effects.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:24 am

Lead paint was forbidden because very small children of poor neighboorhoods where the building were in bad shape, ate the paint which tasted good to them, and had lead intoxication.

Sorry to say this Sebolino, but there is an example of natural selection in full swing. Don't you think there are too many stupid people out there?

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:56 am

Let me add something else to the "lead based paint is A-OK" crowd...

There was also a time when women routinely drank in moderation and even smoked in moderation while pregnant. My mom drank and smoked while pregnant with me, as well as my two sisters. We all turned out fine. I'm sure your mothers did the same with many of you.

Nowadays, people frown at you if you dare to smoke within 10 feet of a pregnant woman, and an expectant mother who is seen drinking an alcoholic beverage runs the risk of having someone call the authorities!
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:03 am

Lead paint chips go great with salsa

Anyway this all comes down to people who come from a particular left side political group wanting the government to raise their children because they feel they cannot handle it themselves. A while back we were supposed to get those V chips in the TV to censor what we watched because apparently some parents were too stupid to tell their kids what they could and could not watch.

Labels on music. There was a time when parents spent enough time talking to their kids to find out what they were listening to or if they were sitting in their room all night playing video games about killing people and sawing off shotguns. Apparently now this is all supposed to be policed by the government with meaningless labels on games and music. Have you ever listened to something or saw a movie and wondered how the hell it got that bad of a rating? I know I have, and the opposite case happens just as often. Honestly if Johnny wants to suck on a 12 ga shotgun and take his own life I have no problem with that. It is not my responsibility to keep him from getting depressed by his music or life to the point that he does that. Maybe that would serve as a wake up call to the parents that failed him so miserably. If parents stopped trying to be their kids best friends and started being parents this world might go back to being a better place.

Then you get giant companies like Wal-Mart selling edited music. Once again taking the parents out of the loop. I think this is both a perversion of our rights as consumers and the artists rights as artists. If someone unknowingly buys something that is edited, gets it home and finds out its edited what recourse do they have? Answer: none, they have to go to a real music store and buy it again. This is almost as stupid as K-mart stopping selling guns because a couple of dimwits whose parents were not parenting shot a few people at school with guns bought there. Few things on earth burn my shorts as much as when I am punished for the stupidity of others.

Fireworks: They are illegal in most states but you just have to know where to get them and you can get some cool stuff... Like set off car alarms 3 blocks away and turn the night into day type stuff. Also its so hard for the police to home in on where something shot 300ft into the air came from you are pretty safe. Also unless you get a cop that's on a real small penis power trip they will just tell you don't do it again and drive on. Only the nimrods dumb enough to say gee officer I have this truckload of stuff here I was gonna shoot off get their crap confiscated.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:06 am

Anyone who thinks Lawndarts were safe is an absolute idiot (sorry).
Let's see....a sharp metallic object weighing roughly two pounds is thrown in the air by children (!) Would you let your kids play with those?

Please, pick a better example...that is moronic.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:14 am

Would you let your kids play with those?


That's the whole point. Why SHOULD we?

Most adults (myself included) used lawn darts with no problems. But kids have no business 'playing' with them in the first place.


Once again, you have demonstrated your desire to relieve people of personal responsibility.

 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:23 am

I'm not sure which is more pathetic...adults playing Lawn Darts...or allowing children to play with them.

They are an attractive nuisance to most children....sharp..bright colours...easy to throw..etc. I have no idea what would attract an adult of even moderate intelligence.

They are a monument to product liability. And in some law schools, they are case study in poor product placement.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:25 am

EA CO AS - we must be close in age....my mom told me that when she was pregnant with her kids (all born in the 50's), her doctor suggested that she have a beer to help with nausea.

Startvalve - as the parent of a kid, I kind of welcome edited music sales at Walmart. My daughter happened to like an "Uncle Kracker" song, but the CD's I saw everywhere had the "explicit lyrics" label on them. Fine...I'm not ready to explain the word "fuck" to a 10 year old, so I passed on buying the
CD at those stores. But looking on Amazon, I noticed that there was the unedited version of the CD, as well as a "clean" version. So, just for grins, I headed down to Walmart and bought that version for her. She's happy, I'm happy, and a "choice" was made. It's the choice of Walmart to sell edited music. It's your choice to buy music elsewhere.

Greg - There's a concept of "parental supervision" that tends to get ignored anymore. First it's lawn darts. Then, the "Water Wiggle" gets banned because it supposedly posed a "strangulation threat" to small children. The "Slip n Slide" is also covered with warnings about the dangers of using them. An unsupervised kid can get just as injured by a wholesome horseshoe set as they can by a lawn dart (both heavy objects that are tossed). Key is for the parents to put the lawn darts out of the kids reach or supervise the kids when they use them. Oh...they could also let the kids play them unsupervised, but if a kid is hurt, they are the first to head to court.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:44 am

Seboludo -

"Now if you want to talk about individual responsibility of 3 years old children that's your problem. Well that fits well with your opinions. And more of that, if those children are not capable of taking care of themselves, they deserve to die in the streets. That's true why should the rich taxpayers give their hard-earned money to small brown faced parasites ?"

Your inability to interpret anything that is not explicitly spelled out for you is astounding. Nobody would advocate the "individual responsibility of 3 year olds". But what about the responsibility of the parent? Why does a plastic bag have to carry a label, not suitable for us in cribs? Is it for the 3 year old or for the parents of the three year old.

As the parent of a toddler, I realize that the entire world is a dangerous place for my daughter. I've seen her use absolutely anything (car keys, pencils, bottles of soda, shoe boxes, etc . . .) as something that could cause her harm. Do I advocate putting warning labels on keys that say, careful you should not run with these because you can poke your eye out? NO - a parent of reasonable intelligence should be able to figure that out.

If the parent does not have reasonable intelligence, then what is wrong with CFalks statement that natural selection should take over?

What the hell is the comment about brown faced parasites? Are you making fun of hispanics? If so, you're a hypocritic and I take offense.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:45 am

There are even hemp plants that produce almost no intoxicant substances; you'd need an entire field of those for one joint. But IIRC, those are genetically modified... look out for the nimbys.  Insane

I agree with most of what Matt D said, if a grown up person can't judge it dangerous to overdose a drug, that person has a serious problem by herself/himself. Why should millions of other grown up persons be kept from enjoying the positive effects of the drugs, just because some dorks killed themselves over their own stupidity?

If people can't keep themselves from being utterly moronic (such as exploding fireworks in their hands), they will probably find a way to kill themselves "legally". Once that way has been gone, it will be made illegal. Well D'UH!

However, when it comes to children (using poisonous additives in toys), things should be different. How could a baby be kept from chewing toys all day and night long? Sorry, it's just the way they're born, they need to learn or figure out that chewing isn't the only way to discover the world. I think youngsters should be protected by law from some things until they're grown up. That's what they're young for. But a 15 year old blowing his hands off with perfectly working fireworks still remains a moron, don't mistake me on that!
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:48 am

I'm am sure that most parents have plenty to worry about without having a toy manufacturer create a two pound projectile weapon that attracts their children.

It was grossly negligent of them to be marketed.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:26 am

Which is worse Greg - a young couple with no kids not being able to buy Lawn Darts for themselves, or a parent of a young child being able to buy Lawn Darts and storing them on the garage floor within easy reach of the kids? Because to prevent the latter from happening, the former can't buy it at all. It's called "product liability", which oddly enough, doesn't require any personal responsiblity at all.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:28 am

On the contrary, they should be promoting these products. Stupid people will die off, increasing the quality of the gene pool, and the world will be a better place for it in 100 years.

that's a good idea. the problem is that doing so without harming the non-stupid population is hard.
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:48 am

MattD is right on most points, but lead paint is a very misunderstood problem. Poor kids in Urban slum-homes don't need to eat the paint to injest it.

All they need is for people to open the windows.

The dust from the window tracks and sills, as well as anything that corrodes lead paint on any part of the house, can be devestating when inhaled. Slum lords would often rather watch their tenants' kids get F**ed up than bear the cost of repainting. Personally, I think it's criminal, and has nothing to do with an exploited group of intensely poor peoples' sense of personal responsibility.

However, I still really miss my Battlestar Galactica Cylon Fighter with the Authentic Launching Missles.

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:51 am

Slum lords would often rather watch their tenants' kids get F**ed up than bear the cost of repainting.

Most suburban homeowners would rather run the risk that kids might lick the side of the lead painted house rather than repainting it every 3 years because the freaking non lead based paints are little more than watercolors.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:54 am

And while I'm thinking of banned items...how many here are actually saving water with the "water saving" flush toilets that try to send a good dump and some toilet paper down to the sewer system with little more than a gallon of water? Why is it a crime in the US for a plumber to actually install a REAL toilet in a home? Seems like I flush the "new" toilets several times while the old wasteful commodes did the job with just one flush. Rant over.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:55 am

Legalize weed...

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:06 am

Goingboeing, I disagree with you. I doubt any decent parent wants to see their kids slowly grow retarded as a result of an all too informed decision.

Of course it only happens to a small percentage of kids, but how many is too much?
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:08 am

That's right!!! How could I forget about the "new" toilets? I read somewhere that there is now a black market in older style 3.5 gallon toilets.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:10 am

I think Jamesag96 just demonstrated why weed should not be legalized. I will make a logical leap that he is a weed user and the best defense for his point of view he could come up with is.

Legalize weed...

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In my opinion legalize it all. Yes there will be a sharp rise in murders and robberies for a few weeks. Then the maniacs will die off leaving the world clear for those of us who can pass a drug screen.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:10 am

Say what you want about those "damned SUVs," but I sure could have used one today, as the Boston area roads and highways resembled a skating rink. I have to drive down a fairly steep hill to get anywhere, and the only way I didn't slide off of it today in my Tercel was by running two wheels down a dry section of sidewalk. Perhaps an AWD car would also fit the bill, but they still get worse gas mileage than my Tercel.

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:31 am

NOrmalspeed - if the streets in Boston were like a "skating rink" due to ice, those damned SUV's are worse at stopping that your Tercel would ever be, especially when the drivers of those SUV's figures that 4WD means they go AND stop with ease, so they tend to drive as if it's 72 and sunny.

LHMark - I don't know if the world was that different in the 50's - every home in suburbia had lead paint on the outside, inside and all over the cribs. Some folks back then put off the expense of painting regularly. Yet the world is overpopulated, so it didn't apparently impact that many people. So, we ban lead paint to force slumlords to put a nice coat of latex on?
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:41 am

Goingboeing, I guess in the '50s, they didn't realize the scope of the damage that large-scale use of lead paint can do. I wouldn't be surprised if a big reason that lead paint isn't around anymore is the paint manufacturers themselves. DuPont & Co. probably found it pretty economically unviable to continue production once consumers realized it had the potential to turn their kids' brains to Jell-O.

Here's another thought. Could widespread lead paint in these old, inner-city houses have anything to do with inner-city problems? Could it be affecting test scores and academic performance, or causing behavioral issues for kids in an already nigh-hopeless situation? I haven't seen any stats on that, but I just might look it up.

What do the Euros think about this? As a generally more environmentally sensitive set of cultures, I'd appreciate European opinions.
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:56 am

"Normalspeed - if the streets in Boston were like a "skating rink" due to ice, those damned SUV's are worse at stopping that your Tercel would ever be"

I'm not talking about screeching to a hault directly after grossly exceeding the speed limit. I'm talking about creeping down an ice covered hill at 5 mph attempting not to lock the wheels, as that would result in an uncontrolled slide downwards. I found my Tercel somewhat lacking in traction.

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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:03 am

I'm not talking about screeching to a hault directly after grossly exceeding the speed limit. I'm talking about creeping down an ice covered hill at 5 mph attempting not to lock the wheels, as that would result in an uncontrolled slide downwards. I found my Tercel somewhat lacking in traction.

The problem here in the midwest is that in conditions such as that (particularly the first nasty weather day of the season), while most everybody is creeping down a hill at 5 mph, a whole bunch of SUV's are cruising like it's a sunny day in July. Last year, on my 10 mile commute to work, I passed one SUV off the road (not intentionally I might add) and two on their sides. Bottom line, on ice, everything sucks.
 
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:21 am

That's what happens when idiots believe television commercials and salespeople. Just because you have better traction than cars doesn't mean it's good enough.
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:29 am

"Bottom line, on ice, everything sucks."

I'll agree with that. What I suppose that I'm saying is that in order to get my Tercel down that hill, I had to be resourceful and employ perfect technique (pump brakes, steer to inside of skid, etc.) The SUVs, while still creeping, did not have to be resourceful or employ perfect technique; they just drove down the hill.

Now, if the truth will be told, I would probably never buy an SUV; the minivan and the AWD auto also made it down without any special maneuver. I just don't like to see a really useful vehicle (in the right hands) villainized.

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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:47 am

"What do the Euros think about this? As a generally more environmentally sensitive set of cultures, I'd appreciate European opinions."

Let me have my unnerving say!  Smile

Since lead, if ingested or inhaled, does have a very strong negative effect on your health, lead based paint can't have any effect on your health besides a negative one. Lead is poisonous, so it should be used as little as possible. For example, sealing their aqueducts using lead didn't do the Romans any good. Remember those thermometers with mercury in them? They're no longer common because mercury is also poisonous. Remember those Japanese people that suffered lead poisoning in the Minamata area? That was mercury poisoning. Or look at benzene, it's quite a useful solvent and very good for a lot of chemical experiments, yet its use in school is forbidden in my country (or at least in my state) because it's carcinogen.

It's very true that many substances, of unlimited varieties, can do a lot of harm to human health. Should such substances be distributed in enormous quantities just because they e.g. make your home shine a little brighter, and let the paint job last a little longer, even if they have the potential to cause physical harm to many many people? I don't think so. For the business people, just look at the foreseeable cost of treatment for everyone who suffers from poisoning. Why should something that evidentially causes harm to people be used when there's an almost equally good substitute for it? It makes no sense.
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:35 am

Relax startvalve...haven't touched the stuff in jeez.....What time is it?

I was just kidding, but if I were to offer up an argument for it I would be sure to say that is far better for your body than the already legal Alcohol, has been proved to assist patients with things from decreased appetite(cancer/aids) and blood pressure, hypertensive, glaucoma, the list gets pretty big. I think the only reason that it isn't legal is there are two huge industries that feel rightfully threatened by it...Big Tobacco and the Alcohol industry. Which is funny because I think they should legalize it, produce and distribute a pure product and then tax the shait out of it...talk about a cash crop.

That and I think there are too many Mr. Mackeys in Congress...mmmkay.

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You know having re-read your post Mr. Sphincter I would venture a guess that you weren't being as facetious as I had originally thought.

"Yes there will be a sharp rise in murders and robberies for a few weeks. Then the maniacs will die off leaving the world clear for those of us who can pass a drug screen"
If these are you true thoughts on the matter, than you sir are a very misguided young San Antonian. Perhaps you should watch fewer Anti-Marijuana commercials and open a book, or better yet utilize the tool that allowed you to display your ineptness, the internet.

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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:06 am

Unless you eat Asbestos, I don't see how it's harmful. Millions of homes were built with it and I don't see any obituaries for "death by asbestos."
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:10 am

N766UA, Asbestos dust, when inhaled, can cause cancer. You will see obituaries that say "death by lung cancer."
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:15 am

But there's no dust unless you tear down the building...
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:27 am

Or replace the furnace, or spend time in the basement. Or touch it.
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:27 am

Hemp is illegal in the US? ROFL!!

Talk about uptight!!!
 
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:29 am

I don't think asbestos is that toxic! Can anyone give me an estimate of deaths related to asbestos? There had to be millions upon millions living in homes with asbestos, I can't see it being that bad.
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RE: If It's Good, Fun, Works: We Must Ban It

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:34 am

http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/ashome.html

The site points out that people at the hightest risk of asbestosis are those in the construction and contracting industries...the ones who have to tear down your house or place of work. This particular link goes into detail about asbestos in the home.
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