DTW_Steve
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Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:09 am

Let me start this by saying that, as a 24 year old, I didn't start watching hockey until 1986. So when talking about the bygone days of hockey, I have no witness to eras such as the 50's or 60's. Thus I can only look back and say "Ahhhh, when I was a kid..." to hockey of the 80's.

That said, are there more hockey fans on this forum who long for the freewheeling days of the NHL in the 80's? One day, three or four years ago, I woke up and realized that NHL hockey had become kinda boring. I realized that I just didn't get that excited feeling I used to when I was lucky enough to catch an Oilers game on CBC late at night. Whatever happened to 7-6 games all the time? Or knowing that when you saw Steve Yzerman, Wayne Gretzky, or Mario Lemeiux circling around helmetless on the ice in pregame, hockey mullet freeflowing, that they would be involved in some gorgeous plays, almost every night? Do you miss the 200-point season? The 400 penalty minute year? I sure do.

Sure, I love hockey even for what it is today. But lately I've been nostalgic for some freewheeling, fight-filled hockey. The kind of nights when I would be nervous and excited, knowing that the Oilers were probably going to thrash the Wings, but at least it would be an exciting game. Now if I know that the Devils are going to play the Wings, and the Devils win, it's just another triumph for overpowering D and stuffy hockey. Anyone else with me on this, longing for the more exciting hockey of a bygone time?
 
KROC
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:15 am

I agree. I got into Hockey around 87 or so. I have a hard time watching Hockey now. The same goes for the NBA as well.
 
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:17 am

Eh, I miss the early '90s. When Lemieux and the Pens actually won the Cup twice in a row. But yes, I do agree that it seems like hockey has gotten somewhat boring as of late. I remember back to a few years ago when people derided the Minnesota Wild on account of how boring their games could be due to their Neutral Zone Trap method of defense. Now we see more teams do that. If I'm not mistaken, the Penguins just installed a variant of the Neutral Zone Trap under Eddie O. At times it just looks as if teams are playing to not lose a game, as opposed to playing to win the game.
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:29 am

Now if I know that the Devils are going to play the Wings, and the Devils win, it's just another triumph for overpowering D and stuffy hockey.

We did an overnight trip in Teterboro, NJ a couple of weeks ago and the boss was nice enough to buy me and my co-pilot tickets to the Devils / Maple Leafs game. After watching that game, it's no wonder why no one watches hockey any more. Something's got to be done about - hold on, we're talking hockey here, aboot  Smile a lot of things. The neutral zone trap needs to go, the clutching and grabbing needs to go, one of the refs needs to get off the ice. No one wants to watch a 1-1 thriller  Yawn in the Meadowlands. I know I didn't. It was hard explaining to my co-pilot why I'm such a big hockey fan during this snoozefest.  Sleepy

I didn't start watching hockey until 1993, and it was a heck of a lot better game then than it is today.

DTW Steve, do you ever visit http://www.letsgowings.com? Good stuff about the Wings on there.
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:35 am

It was hard explaining to my co-pilot why I'm such a big hockey fan during this snoozefest.

And that is exactly the reason Hockey has been dubbed 'Soccer on Ice'.
 
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:55 am

Hockey IS boring. I don't even bother to watch the pro games anymore. But I'll watch junior hockey or the women. They play the real game.

We need Olympic size rinks. That would bring the speed back in the game. Who watched the 2002 Olympic tournament and didn't like it?
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Tom in NO
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:06 am

I grew up in the 70's and 80's watching the LA Kings at the Fabulous Forum. The rivalries that they had within the old Norris Division with the Oilers, Jets, Flames, and Canucks were awesome. Seeing the line oif Gretzky, Kurri, and Anderson skate up the ice was enough to send chills up my spine because they were so good, and I wanted so bad for the underdog Kings to win. And maybe half the time they did.

I moved to MSY in 1987 (the year before the Kings got Gretz), did catch a few games thereafter, and it was still pretty cool. Been to one game at Staples, and frankly, it doesn't compare to the coziness of the Forum.

I've also caught about 5 Stars games while at conferences or airliner shows in Dallas. While it's still fun to go, hockey nowadays doesn't compare to hockey 15 and 20 years ago. Too much clutching and grabbing, not enough free skating, etc.

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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:24 am

I still love hockey and the NHL game, I can't imagine my life without my daily NHL fix. That being said, I really got into the NHL game when I was 10, in 1992-1993 season. Although that was the season where Mogilny and Selanne both scored 76 goals as rookies, and these days 76 goals would be unheard of...let alone 55. So I don't really have anything to compare the present to other than old ESPN Classic clips and articles. In fact, I find it very hard to watch old NHL games because of the wide-open "pond hockey" style. Its so predictable. Although I find offense exciting, I find the defensive strategies very interesting. The players today are more talented than ever and the physical game is paramount in today's NHL to stop these players from scoring. However, I do miss this from the 80's...one of the greatest dynasties in the history of professional sports:



Qb001, I really dislike the QMJHL because there is so little focus on defense. All the 'Q' seems to be is scoring and fighting. That being said, I'm not shocked that theyve pumped out quality NHL goaltenders because you've gotta be good to stop the puck from going into the back of the net in the defense-free league.

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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:13 am

Yes I do miss the hockey of the 80's.

With that in mind here are some rule changes that might bring back some excitement to the game. Comments welcome, please.

1. Get rid of that damn red line
2. Get rid of that instigator penalty.
3. Icing, if it crosses the goal line, blow the whistle. Why is there a need to touch the puck?
4. Bring back the "tag-up" rule for off-side
5.One Ref please

The skill and speed that the current day player possesses is muted by the trap and the dump and chase strategy of the current day coach.

It's easy to criticize, but the bigwigs of this great game need to have a long chat before they loose any more fans.

Oh, the much talked about(possible) strike of NHL players next year will surely bring back the fans.  Acting devilish

Side note: What ever happened to the "Kid Lines" ?

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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:18 am

I remember watching hockey with my dad since I can remember. I miss the days when numerous fights would break out during a game. I remember seeing Bob Probert fight alot, too. (Go Wings!) Too bad I wasn't around for the days of bench-emptying brawls... Sad
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:51 am

I was a die hard hockey fan all through the 80's. I watched all of the Islander, Oiler and Pens flirtings with dynasty status. I was a huge Oiler fan, what a fantastic team they were.

I agree, it is more or a grinder game nowdays, the flair has been beaten out of it

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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:15 am

I still think its a great sport. It has definitely changed, with the focus being much more on defense and goaltending. But hey, as a goaltender myself, playing the sport is always much more fun than watching it. I think that is the case with any sport.

People who compare it to soccer, who say its slow and boring, need to strap on some skates themselves and go out and play the game.
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Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:05 am

While the excitement level on a whole has gone down, some teams still play an entertaining brand of hockey that involves on-ice speed and not playing the typical trap. The Canucks, Oilers, Leafs, Wings, and Avalanche all score lots of goals and have exciting games. Unfortunately with expansion, the general skill on each team has degraded significantly, and that's why coaches resorted to the trap. The trap actually started in Sweden as an offensive system, but was now migrated to the neutral zone. While most of the Eastern conference is a trap-fest, the Western conference is more wide open and skilled players get more ice. With the entire fiscal pressures the league is experiencing, I propose taxing each team an extra 2 million or so. Then at the end of the year those taxes are re-distributed to the top five or ten highest goal scoring teams. This would provide some incentive for teams to score more goals. As for me, while the 80's hockey was a better brand, I don't long for it since the current edition of the Vancouver Canucks is much better than the 80's version that had to continually face the Oilers and Flames.
 
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:23 am

Yes, I do wish more goals would be scored and that the players would play a more wide-open game, but I don't believe it's because of the rules or even the defence that causes the game to be monotonous. I think it's because the goalies are so much more talented nowadays. I'm not saying there weren't ANY talented goalies "back in the day" but with all the advancements in training and equipment, it's almost impossible to put the puck past those human walls known as the goaltender. But I'm not implying that there isn't any exciting hockey TODAY. Just look at that win by the Flyers against Toronto a couple weeks back, what was it, 7-2? One thing that I think the NHL could do to make the game faster is have something like a shot clock type thing...I doubt it would work, but it WOULD make the game faster (then again, I guess they already have that in the NBA and THAT doesn't work, LOL). But myself being a goalie, I don't really see any huge problem with the hockey being played today, but I admit, it COULD be better.
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:34 am

Some real lo-lites for the Detroit Red Wings in the 1980's....

1980-81..56pts
1981-82..54pts
1982-83..57pts
1985-86..40pts (17 wins, 57 losses, 6 ties)

Yes I guess the '80s were OK. If it weren't for the '80s, I suppose the Red Wings teams of the '90s and today would never have happened.
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:13 am

It could get interesting next year with the WHA coming back. Rumor has it that most of the old WHA rules will be retained, like no limit on blade curvature (aka banana blades), no roughing rule, no instigator rule, and third man into a fight gets 2 minutes in the Box (as opposed to the NHL's game misconduct). Several well-known NHL players have already said that if the NHL does lock the players out, they probably join the WHA. Brett Hull (dad Bobby is the Commissioner of the WHA) is one rumored to be coming to the league, as is Jeremy Roenick. So far only two cities are confirmed for the WHA restart next year, Minnesota (hopefully they'll resurrect the Fighting Saints nickname) and Phoenix; but Quebec City, Winnipeg, Hamilton, Los Angeles, Jacksonville, Birmingham, Cincinnati, and Kansas City have also been mentioned as possible locations of teams for the first season. The WHA may signal the return of "Old Time Hockey".
 
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:33 pm

No no, don't bring back the 80's. That's like ressurecting Harold Ballard.
 
Tom in NO
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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:14 am

As an aside, Hockey News just came out with a special edition magazine detailing a "Best of" of all 30 teams, including players, all-time records, and surveys on arenas, best grub, broadcasters, role players, scorers, skaters, etc.

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RE: Hockey... Who Misses The 1980's?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:45 am

Of course the TV ratings of the NHL are ridiculously weak. I think ESPN would be better served to simply show tapes of Oiler games from the 80's.
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