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The Death Of Common Sense

Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:06 pm

Today we mourn the passing of an old friend by the name of Common Sense. Common sense lived a long life but died from heart failure at the brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes, factories and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness.

For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird gets the worm, and life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the kids), and it's okay to come in second.

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and educational trends including feminism, body piercing, whole language and new math.

But his health declined when he became infected with the If-it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it bug. In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing federal regulation. He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking lawyers and enlightened auditors. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero tolerance policies, reports of six year old boys charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student. It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but cannot inform the parent when the female student is pregnant or wants an abortion.

Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports.

As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable regulations for asbestos, low-flow toilets, smart guns, the nurturing of Prohibition Laws and mandatory air bags.

Finally when told that the homeowners association restricted exterior furniture only to that which enhanced property values, he breathed his last. Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by three stepbrothers: Rights, Tolerance and Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.


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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:35 pm

It's pretty good, but where did you get it?

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:24 pm

NEVER A TRUER WORD SPOKEN MxCtrlr. 100% true.

Common sense has died due to some of the bullshit listed there. I can't agree more. Even if you did copy this from another website. It's 100% the truth.
 
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:18 pm

Amen to that! It's quite a shame...and it becomes quite clear when you read some of the posts on this very forum!

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:06 am

Common sense is a pretty subjective term. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion, doesn't mean your "common sense" is any more valid than anyone elses.

If you want to retain your objectivity in these forums, you really need to stay away from the term "common sense". It never died. Its just that it was only relevant until you left home and were exposed to other cultures.

For example. Is it common sense to cut away a part of a newborn's genitals? Probably not. But persons of the Jewish faith may view this act in an entirely differnt context.

Is Bush's desire to impose "regime change" a serious lapse in common sense? My personal values scream "YES" but you would have a hard time arguing this on the basis of "common sense" when there are a proliferation of red necks (read extreme right wing-nuts) that think its a good idea.....


 
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:46 am

Is Bush's desire to impose "regime change" a serious lapse in common sense? My personal values scream "YES" but you would have a hard time arguing this on the basis of "common sense" when there are a proliferation of red necks (read extreme right wing-nuts) that think its a good idea.....

Chuckle....I knew you'd quickly segue to your hard-left viewpoints. Some would call you a tacit supporter of Saddam and hence a supporter of the ethnic cleansing of Kurds in vehemently opposing Bush. Where's the common sense in that?

Given that Bush's views are quite popular in the US, and no socialist governmert has EVER been elected in Canada or the US, I would bet that most North Americans see more common sense in Bush than in your socialist views.
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:23 am

What does the war in Iraq have to do with being a "supporter of Socilalism"? Please folks, don't turn yet another thread into a Bush vs Them debacle.
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:53 am

Aloges,

Oh, but they have to, don't you get it? Their goal is to ruin every thread on this forum by turning it into just that kind of stupid, political debate.

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:09 am

Oh sorry, how could I! It's now crystal clear to me that the politics of the United States of America, and most importantly, its President, are the one thing we all desire to discuss and debate more than anything else. We also need to be reassured several times every day how one person is a "right wing nut" and how another one is a "leftist tree hugger", all while the third guy is nothing but a "Marxist terrorist lover".

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:19 am

I truly wonder if its possible to have a topic on this forum that DOESN'T get skewed into a political debate, much like most posts on the unCivil Aviation forum get turned into A vs B wars?

For a point of reference, who EVER confused "politics" and "common sense"?

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:31 am

The Death of Common Sense is acually a book. I got it last year for Christmas. A school was reprimanded by the local fires department because the hall had to much artwork in it, therefore creating a fire hazard. Or my favorite: Mother Theresa's sisters wanted to open a homeless shelter. There were two buildings in NYC that were destroyed by a fire. The city was offering these fire-gutted buildings for $1 each. The sisters were willing to spend $1,000,000 to refurbish these buildings. They, however, were informed they had to place an elevator in the building. The sisters finally gave up, realizing that there was no way they were going to be able to open this homeless shelter.
 
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:54 am

ah, the wonders of today's society. anyone else find all this saddening?
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:14 am

Chuckle....I knew you'd quickly segue to your hard-left viewpoints. Some would call you a tacit supporter of Saddam and hence a supporter of the ethnic cleansing of Kurds in vehemently opposing Bush. Where's the common sense in that?

Given that Bush's views are quite popular in the US, and no socialist governmert has EVER been elected in Canada or the US, I would bet that most North Americans see more common sense in Bush than in your socialist views.


I tried to take the high ground and have your insulting rhetoric removed as flame-bait...then I layed down some interesting insight to your background YYZ717, but that didn't work either. But what are you gonna do?

Everything you spewed in the above is designed solely to discredit. No substance, no substaniative proof, no facts. You even contradict your own statements in an attempt to discredit. Every chance you get, you call Manitoba (and the "have-not" provinces) "socialist" but now declare that a socialist "governmert" has never been elected in Canada or the US.

You conveniently spin my opinion of Saddam and Bush into the rather insulting and quite baseless support of Kurdish ethnic cleansing...but apparantly the mods think that's alright too...

You continue to call me a "socialist" with "exteme left views" in an obviously derogatory fashion, when in fact I am quite moderate. You continuously quote sources that are commonly known as "corporate lap dogs" and "extreme right wing think tanks". You abhor (not just mildly dislike) political views that can be construed as slightly left or even moderate. Is it then logical and acceptable to call you, YYZ717, a Nazi? I guess we'll soon discover if the mods will continue to sanction the use of the "socialist" label you throw around and/or the "Nazi" label I plan to affix to your views in defense...



 
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:02 am

Common Sense was replaced by GREED. Its what sets Americans apart from the rest of the world.
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:07 am

Common Sense was replaced by GREED. Its what sets Americans apart from the rest of the world.


and emulated the world over.......
 
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:52 pm

Dc10guy,

Name one place - any country, where money is somehow less important than in the U.S. Indeed, I would say that it is probably less important in the U.S. and Western Europe than elsewhere. I was offered the services of a professional hitman in one country and his fee for killing a man came out to about $20. You won't find that in the U.S., I think.

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:15 pm

It is funny how rednecks think that us left-wingers are pro saddam. Yes, that is right folks, we are anti-war. War involves mass death, known fact. So in essence, we are anti-mass-murder. HOW IN FLYING CRAP CAN YOU CONSTRUE US TO BE SUPPORTERS OF SADDAM!! that's right folks, I hate the idea of death But I LOVE SADDAM!  Yeah sure

Good God people, if you are going to make a good argument, learn the other point of view before making it so that you don't look like an idiot.

By the way, I hate Saddam and everything he stood for.
But it is funny how quickly this Liberation turned into an Occupation

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:33 pm

Cfalk, Name one other place on earth where people will trample their fellow man to be first in line at Wal-mart the day after Thanksgiving to start their Christmas shopping ??? Money is important in the rest of the world but GREED is the life blood of America.
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:02 am

DC10guy,
Bad example. Or a very good example from a different perspective. That lady who was supposedly trampled trying to get a DVD at Wal-Mart? Well it turns out that she has a long history of filing questionable lawsuits, one of them against that same Wal Mart. So, oddly, the greed wasn't so much the supposed tramplers, it may have been the "trample-ee", still searching for that one big score of a lawsuit.
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:35 am

4holer brings up a good point. Often, things that we regard as being "common sense" are much more complex than they seem. Take the McDonald's hot coffee case, for instance. The public view is that a woman bought a cup of coffee, tried to drink it while driving, had to stop suddenly, burned herself, took McDonald's to court and got awarded a ludicrous sum by a runaway jury. Common sense says you shouldn't drink coffee while driving and that hot coffee is hot, and that if you spill some, you should expect to get burned, right?

Wrong. Facts of the case were distorted. The woman, Stella Liebeck, was a passenger in a car driven by her son. Her son had the car stopped while Liebeck attempted to put in cream and sugar into the coffee and it spilled on her. Once again, common sense says hot coffee is hot and that as such she should expect to be burned, right? Again, wrong. The coffee wasn't just hot, it was dangerously hot, as McDonald's corporate policy held that their coffee should be kept at a temperature of 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit, a temperature at which liquids can cause 3rd degree burns in seconds. By comparison the coffee that you brew at home is usually brewed to 130 degrees or 140 degrees and kept at around 120 degrees. In this case, Liebeck suffered 3rd degree burns over 6 percent of her body, mainly in her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas. As a result, Liebeck needed debridement of the tissue and skin grafts over the course of an 8-day hospital stay and kept her disabled for 2 years.

Originally she merely asked McDonalds for compensation for her $11,000 in hospital bills and was offered $800 by the company who later admitted in court that it had known about the risk of serious burns from its coffee for more than 10 years. From 1982 to 1992, McDonalds received at least 700 reports of burns from scalding coffee. Witnesses for McDonald's testified that consumers were not aware of the extent of danger from coffee spills served at the company's required temperature. McDonald's admitted it did not warn customers and could offer no explanation as to why it did not.

As for the court case, Liebeck was awarded $200,000 in compensatory damages and $2.7 million in punitive damages (or 2 days worth of coffee sales for McDonalds), which were later lowered to $480,000 in punitive damages. Both sides appealed the decision, but before the appeals could be heard the parties reached an out-of-court agreement for an undisclosed amount of money.

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:35 am

How the hell did Bush and Iraq come into this discussion? But since we are on the topic here is the real question for the anti war crowd.

Would the world and Iraq be a better place today if Saddam was still in control of Iraq?

mind you this is a yes or no question.. not an essay.
 
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:02 am

I agree with that 200%.
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:49 am

Would Iraq be a better place? no. Would it be worse? Probably not. They are going through the same thing with us that they were with Saddam. To them, we are an occupying force controlling a population that has the capability and the will to govern itself. I can assure you, If they were happy with the new occupation, then would there be suicide bombings and american soldiers dying every day when the war was supposedly won along time ago?

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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:51 am

I thought the title of this thread was about an excellent book called "The Death of Common Sense in America". Check it out at your local library.
 
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:07 am

I am sure all those people Saddam had executed on a daily basis would agree with you 100% DLKAPA..

your answer however is invalid since I said it was a yes or no question not an essay. And would it be worse was also not in the question. Since you are only in the 16-20 age range maybe someday when you have matured and learned a few things about the world you will be able to better understand the situation.. Go back to watching cartoons while the grown-ups talk.
 
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RE: The Death Of Common Sense

Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:37 am

O I am sorry, startvalve, that I cannot have an opinion, maybe you should not resort to attacks on my age and stick to the topic. And I am also sure that all those people that WE KILL on a daily baisis would also have to agree with me. I am not saying that saddam was a good man by any means, but If america is so great like we say we are, then how come two thirds of the entire world cheered when the planes hit the towers?

I am in no way glorifying what happened on 9/11. It is despicable. But you cannot whitewash the truth with any media rhetoric. And yes, contrary to what you may believe, I do watch CNN. And Startvalve, does 21-25 really constitute grown up? Actually you are just a teenager with access to alcohol.

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