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More Idiocy From The Right

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:44 pm

The lunacy of the right in trying to promote Ronald Reagan as a great president, when he was really an above-average president continues.

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Conservatives Want Reagan's Face on Dimes
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WASHINGTON (Dec. 5) - Conservative Republicans angry over an unflattering television movie about Ronald Reagan want to put his image on the dime in place of Democratic icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Democrats are just as determined to keep FDR's profile in coin purses.


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''If they want to find another way to honor Ronald Reagan, I'm happy to join with them, but leave the dime alone,'' said Rep. James McGovern, D-Mass.

Supporters of the ''Ronald Reagan Dime Act'' said Roosevelt and his government-expanding New Deal represented decades past, while Reagan's conservative, anti-communist administration ushered in society as it exists today.

Triggering the dispute is a TV movie that depicts a doddering Reagan dominated by his wife, Nancy. The movie is being aired by Showtime after CBS canceled its plans to show it last month in response to pressure by Reagan supporters.

''It's what precipitated me introducing the bill at that time and why it was a lot easier to get a lot of support,'' said Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind.

Souder said he has collected 89 co-sponsors for his bill to mint a new dime featuring Reagan. Among them are more than a dozen House members from California, where the former president lives secluded and suffering from Alzheimer's disease in his Los Angeles home.

''I believe he represents conservative values as we would see them implemented through a president better than anybody else we've had in American history,'' Souder said. ''He, to conservatives, represents kind of the reverse of FDR, who is kind of the liberal icon. Ronald Reagan is the conservative icon.''

McGovern claims 80 co-sponsors on his opposing bill affirming Congress' support for keeping Roosevelt on the dime. The lone Republican among them is New York Rep. John Sweeney, who represents the Hyde Park area that was Roosevelt's home.

Reagan has ''already been honored in many ways - he's got an airport named after him, and a building, and there are schools and roads and bridges and other things,'' McGovern said.

''While it's important to honor President Reagan, I think it's also important that we do so in a way that doesn't dishonor the memory and the legacy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt,'' he said.

It isn't uncommon to change images on currency, but the custom has been to wait until the person being memorialized is dead.

''I certainly would not look at it in any way as dishonoring FDR. He's also one of my favorite presidents,'' said Rep. Wally Herger, R-Calif. ''He was also interestingly enough a personal hero of President Reagan's, but frankly I feel more connection with Reagan. He's a Californian, also closer to us now in history.''

Souder rounded up support from colleagues for his bill with a letter, headed ''Win One for the Gipper,'' that lambasted CBS for its ''vile miniseries.''

The dime has borne Roosevelt's profile since 1946, a year after his death, in part commemorating his support for the March of Dimes campaign to fight polio.
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The continued revising of history by some Republicans is simply appalling. To even compare Reagan in historical signficance is a huge strech, and to justify it over this CBS miniseries flap is the ultimate in political idiocy.

We've already named an airport after him (after he broke the ATC union); we've named a federal building after him in D.C. Some jerk wants to appropriate money so every COUNTY in the nation can build some sort of monument to him. This is just another example of going overboard.

Keep the dime as it should be, not as another attempt to over-extend the importance of Ronald Reagan.
 
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RE: More Idiocy From The Right

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:53 pm

Supporters of the ''Ronald Reagan Dime Act'' said Roosevelt and his government-expanding New Deal represented decades past, while Reagan's conservative, anti-communist administration ushered in society as it exists today.

So put him on the penny or 5 dollar bill. Lincoln is REALLY decades past.

I'm still pissed his name (or any other prez)is on that airport!
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:20 pm

727LOVER, his name on DCA was a deliberate slap in the fact not only at the controllers who were fired, but at organized labor as well. It's an insult to this day.
 
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:22 pm

1. those controlers needed to be slapped. They broke federal law, that point is not and has never been in dispute.

2. I agree the dime isn't appropriate. Does George Washington really need a coin and a bill with his mug on it?

I say no.

So lets introduce the Reagan dollar bill!

After all the Canadians have their Loonies, Shouldn't we have our Ronnies?

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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:27 pm

The fact that the federal govt put his name ont the airport, not the actual people who run the airport, stands against what he stood for.

Can't these people wait til he's DEAD? You have to be dead 10 years before you can get a stamp.
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RE: More Idiocy From The Right

Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:30 pm

Hey, Mark Souder is my Congressman and this is the first time I heard of this!! I agree current coinage shouldn't be messed with because it would give the appearance of disrespect to the person it currently honors. I also agree President Reagan should be honored in such a way as he was such a terrific president who also made Americans proud again. But not the dime. More later (no time right now).
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:32 pm

I heard they were going to put Clinton's mug on cigar wrappers.....

Leave the dime as it is. And get your news from a source other then AOL for crying out loud.
 
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RE: More Idiocy From The Right

Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:32 pm

L-188, let's not introduce a Reagan ANYTHING! The GOP, in it's attempt to rewrite history, is making sure he's rememebered everywhere, and overstating his historical imporatnce. We don't NEED Ronnie on any U.S. coinage or bill. This is just another GOP attempt to make permananet the name of a man who's historical importance is way over-exaggerated by his supporters. He's no FDR, he's no Washington, he's no Lincoln.

He is now bed-ridden, and almost never conscious. He's on his last days. The GOP is going to make sure he's remembered like a king of old. Just wait till then, becuase many conservatives will want to rename everything after him when he passes. It's a sad commentary on the Republican Party that they're so desperate to get Reagan's name on as much as possible. It is, literally, a revising of history to fit their world view.
 
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:34 pm

JeffM-it's from the Asociated Press. Try reading a little bit.
 
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:42 pm

Gee Alpha....

I would have thought you would have gotten a cuckle about spending "Ronnies"
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:48 pm

This is more than just dimes.
The largest federal building in Washington, DC is named the Ronald Reagan building, the airport is also named after him. Fair enough. Now enough.

However, there is a well-funded Republican organization named the Reagan Project or some such ludicrous thing whose goal is to have at least one building in every county in the nation named after Reagan. So far, they have achieved about 50% of their goal.
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:49 pm

I don't really give a shit about Ronnie, L-188. The GOP has so over-rated him in term of history that it's mind-boggling. I certainly don't dislike Reagan, but I can't stand what the GOP is trying to do to his legacy, which is to make it more than it really was.

And Jaysit. that's what I was referring to. What a waste of taxpayers money! I'll bet that, after he passes, they try to get a National Holiday named just for him. And I'm not being tongue-in-cheek.

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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:51 pm

Still it would be cool at a poker game to say, "I'll wager a Ronnie"

It sings.
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RE: More Idiocy From The Right

Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:51 pm

Dear Fellow Conservatives -

I suggest that we not take the bait from A1. Let's be honest, we're never going to convince him that President Reagan ever did anything right. That's okay, he's entitled to his opinion. That's what our country is founded on.

History will be the ultimate judge of his legacy as it will of all Presidents.

I respectfully suggest that instead of holding to blind allegiance to the leader of our respective political parties we acknowledge that all of them did some good things and some bad things (always mindful of the fact that good and bad are subjective characterizations and therefore subject to to interpretation by each individual).

We can disagree about what policies best accomplish the goal of improving our country but we should be unified in the belief that the United States is a great country and no person, republican or democrat, rises to the office of the Presidency of the United States and is an idiot.

I honestly believe that President Reagan was a great man and a great President. I feel that he played a pivotal role in the demise of the USSR. I also acknowledge that he made some bad choices. Likewise I believe that President Clinton accomplished some important tasks and yet I feel that he lacked a degree of personal integrity that was demeaning to the office of the Presidency.

When did we (as a country) feel that we had to stop debating the merits of ideas and instead debate the merits of the individual?

Let's rise above this.

A1, I agree with you that there's no need to change the dime. When you want to debate substantive issues, let me know. Until then, enjoy pushing the button of my conservative friends who really feel that they need to fight every fight, just because it's there.

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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:55 pm

CHANGE THE DOLLAR!!!

I want to be able to go to Vegas and say, "A Ronnie on 23" at the Roulette table and not look like a complete idiot.

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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:57 pm

History will be the ultimate judge of his legacy as it will of all Presidents.

Exactly. I cannot agree more. But let's LET history judge it-not a bunch of politicians trying to plaster his name everywhere they can before history does have a fair chance to do so. That's just revisionism before the fact.

As I've said, I do not think Ronnie was a bad President-he was-and I think history will validate this-above Average. He is not in the category of FDR, Abe, or George. No other president is in their status, as far as I'm concerned-and for the idiots who say Clinton or Carter or Nixon were, same holds true for them.
 
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:00 am

No definately not Carter, or Clinton or Ford. But his support of implementing Hayak's economic priciples help end the Stagflation we faced in the 1970's and he did back Volker pulling back the money supply. Those two items are what contributed most to the 80's boom.

And that he should be credited for.

As for me, I am going over to the 5 Ronnie slots  Big thumbs up
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:05 am

Where did Alpha say that Reagan was an idiot?

However, a critique of the absurd lengths that some republicans are going to enshrine Ronnie is very relevant. We have monuments and buildings named after all Presidents to honor them and the role they played. Fair enough. Reagan deserves having his name on his share of federal structures. All Americans, irrespective of their political beliefs can tolerate that. But this super cult status that Reagan has achieved in the minds of some Republicans is akin to the kind of deification one sees in North Korea of Kim Il Jong and his big crazy daddy. It never seems to end.

Some Reagan groupies seem to get their panties in a wad whenever Reagan's blessed name pops up.
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:09 am

Alpha1 - I said I agree with you. What more do you want?

Jaysit - where did I say that Alpha called Reagan an idiot? I suggest you read more closely.

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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:11 am

I honestly believe that President Reagan was a great man and a great President. I feel that he played a pivotal role in the demise of the USSR. I also acknowledge that he made some bad choices. Likewise I believe that President Clinton accomplished some important tasks and yet I feel that he lacked a degree of personal integrity that was demeaning to the office of the Presidency.

When did we (as a country) feel that we had to stop debating the merits of ideas and instead debate the merits of the individual?

Let's rise above this.



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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:13 am

Alpha1 - I said I agree with you. What more do you want?

ROTFL. And I was agreeing with you. Let's let history decide, not some hack politicos.
 
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:17 am

Okay, we've agreed that we agreed.

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RE: More Idiocy From The Right

Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:18 am

Does he not also have an aircraft carrier to his name as well?

In terms if bills, I vote to change the new 20's back to what it was before, they look retarded!
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:21 am

Yes, the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan was just commissioned. Is there a ship named after Jimmy Carter?

I have a hunch that, for purly political reasons, the Navy won't name a ship after Clinton. Kind of petty of them, but there it is.
 
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:23 am

Yes, Mr Peanut has a submarine named after him.


Which I find appropriate, because Carter was a reactor technician on Submarines when he was in the service.
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RE: More Idiocy From The Right

Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:24 am

Does every president now get a Navy ship named after them? Did Ford ever have one?
 
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:25 am

That I don't know.

I don't think LBJ or Nixon has one named after them either.
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:27 am

A1

You've just set me up too easily -

Of course the Navy will name a ship after Clinton - it will be a submarine. Come on what's long, hard and holds semen (or is that sea men?), the USS William J. Clinton.

Just think of all the "going down" jokes that could be made!

I know that naming subs after people goes against the naming convention but, if our military leaders had any sense of humor it should be a slam dunk.

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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:38 am

Alpha1, whether you like it or not, Ronald Reagan is one of the most popular and most admired presidents in the history of the United States. Should having your picture on currency only be for people that you approve of? Only Democrats? Only people who cave in to the schemes of extortion by organized labor?

It ought to be voted on by the people...
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:00 am

Jcs, you haven't been around long enough, or studied enough history to make any kind of statements, my friend. Reagan is liked, but to say he's one of the most popular in the history of our Republic is a bit on the side of over-exaggeration. You speak like a true believer, Josh.

If it was voted on by the people, it would fail. Although I'm sure the white-hots on the right would make it into a national crusade somehow.

Again-Reagan's name is on a ton of things right now. Why does it need to be on more-you tell me that, Jcs17? When is enough enough? What is your view of this plan to have some kind of monument or memorial in EVERY single county in the country after this man? It's overkill, that's the point I was trying to make, not the merits or shortfalls of Ronald Wilson Reagan, man and President.
 
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:41 am

I think we should name a red-white & blue jelly bean after Reagan.

After all, the man loved jelly beans.

Congress could pass legislation making it mandatory for all school lunches to feature this amazing jelly bean, and the FDA would conduct studies on the curative powers of the Reagan jelly bean. We could airdrop packages of jellybeans labeled "FOOD" to shoddy countries before we invade them and pulverize them. Everyone will love the Reagan jelly bean. People will even say "I'm not a fan of Reagan, but I love his jelly bean."

Then finally we can put up a huge Jelly bean shaped monument dwarfing the Washington monument titled the "Reagan memorial" when Reagan passes on. Odes to Reagan will be carved into the sides of this great monument. That should keep Peggy Noonan busy for another 20 years or so.
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:21 am

This may all be just dialogue about the subject Reagan, and the fact that the United States Mint is in the first phases of a design overhaul of it's coinage. The current strategy seems to be temporary changes for two or three years, then back to the old designs.

Since the death of Franklin Roosevelt what democratic President would be worthy of being on a new coin? Truman is the only one that comes to mind. Of course the Kennedy half dollar is there. A fitting tribute to the slain President.

I would like to see a Reagan coin for two or three years. But I would like to see a Truman coin as well.
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