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If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:13 am

Will he be Mr. President, or Dr. President since he is a doctor?

Would think Mr. since his doctoring has nothing to do with his presidential duties, but there must be some protocol on this.
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:21 am

Well, if it helps, you probably won't have to worry about it for at least five more years!
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:44 am

I think he would prefer to be called Mr. President. Fewer people excel to the Presidency than becoming Doctor.
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RE: If Howard Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:58 am

I believe it would still be "Mr. President." From everything I've seen, Woodrow Wilson, the only previous president to have earned a doctorate (a PhD in Political Science from Johns Hopkins), was addressed as "Mr. President" rather than "Dr. President."
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 8:04 am

And, along the same lines, if a particular female ever gets to be president, would she be addressed as "Mrs" President, "Ms" President, "Miss" President, "Madam" President, "Lady" President, "Queen" President, or perhaps "Whore" President (my favorite). Regards...Jack
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 8:48 am

If Howard Dean Becomes President

My dear guests, I am Mr. Roarke, your host.

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:52 am

Cptkrell -- how is calling someone "Whore President" funny? Try not to judge political candidates by their sex...
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:01 am

I don't like Hillary, but I would not call her a "whore". Her husband was a dick, but she is just a liberal Democrat, nothing really to worry about.

 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:16 am

And, along the same lines, if a particular female ever gets to be president, would she be addressed as "Mrs" President,

Yes.

"Ms" President,

Perhaps


"Miss" President,

Probably not

"Madam" President,

No.

"Lady" President,

Definitely not

"Queen" President,

Absolutely not. Royalty titles, such as "king", "queen" "duke", "duchess", etc are specifically outlawed in the constitution from being placed upon any political figure in america. This is not a monarchy, it would be unconstitutional to address any political figure by a royalty term.

or perhaps "Whore" President (my favorite).

I dont find this funny.

[Edited 2003-12-08 02:18:38]
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:19 am

A female President, no doubt, would be referred to as "Madam President", just as Maggie Thatcher was referred to as "Madam Prime Minister".

Maybe, JeffM, that Bush's problem is he's dickless, perhaps?  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:29 am

I will call him "my savior"
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:53 pm

A Dean presidency would probably drive me south into conservative Canada.
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:54 pm

Damn, that's worth Dean being elected then, L-188!!  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:46 pm

Europe would love a Dean presidency. They would see Dean as someone they can control/manipulate more easily than Bush.

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:41 pm

Cfalk wrote:

"Europe would love a Dean presidency. They would see Dean as someone they can control/manipulate more easily than Bush."

Funny, Dean does not strike me as someone who can be easily manipulated and controlled (unless you define manipulation as working with one's allies rather than against them). But, yes Europe would like to see Bush defeated -- but for the same reasons most of the world and a large portion of America would like to see Bush defeated: to end his disatrously reactionary policies and return the US to a path of progress where it belongs.

Face it, Dean is exactly right when he points out that...

"Over a decade ago the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union collapsed, and America didn't fire a shot. There are two reasons for that: one is that we had a strong military and that is important; the other is that most people behind the Iron Curtain wanted to be like America and they wanted to be like Americans. After two and a half years of this presidency, you'd be hard-pressed too many countries in which a majority of people wanted to be like America anymore. One of the most important weapons in our defense is not just a strong military, it's also high moral principles and ideals to which other people around the world aspire."

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:30 pm

Well, we really don't have to worry about Dean becoming president because there is virtually no chance.
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:26 pm

But, yes Europe would like to see Bush defeated -- but for the same reasons most of the world and a large portion of America would like to see Bush defeated: to end his disatrously reactionary policies and return the US to a path of progress where it belongs.

How do you define "reactionary"? Sounds like some of the old Soviet propaganda to me.

Here is an interesting fact. Pretty soon, the U.S. will no longer be the world's most powerful economy, with the EU expansion. Already, Europe no longer needs the U.S. like it did prior to 1990. During the Cold War, the U.S. was Europe's protector and big brother. Now that they are more equal, it is natural therefore that the relationship will become more antagonistic/competitive than it was before. I would worry if Europe and the U.S. did agree on most issues today, because that would mean that one of them was bending over and taking it in the a$$.

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:45 pm

Cfalk:
Sounds like some of the old Soviet propaganda to me.

I don't know what's worse; Soviet propaganda or W's propaganda.  Confused

At least with Pravda, the Soviets knew it was propaganda. The W Bush regime has a been more more successful in dupping the U.S. public.
Just read some of the idiotic post by the conservaties on this board.

I still think your a closet liberal Cfalk.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:46 pm

Damn, that's worth Dean being elected then, L-188!!

Why Alpha1?

I wonder if Canada would accept my assylum request in that even with the caviats that I end up either in the Territories or the Parrie Provinces?

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:51 pm

Hair splitting time, a Prime minister is not addressed Mr., Madame, Dr. or anything but simply Prime Minister.

Fairly sure I'm right, back to your pointless speculating ...
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:22 am

I think a woman president would simply be a addressed 'President Rice'.
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:48 am

Not in this lifetime, JetService. IF Condi ran, she'd be carrying so much baggage from this administration that she could never get elected.

Personally, I don't think the first female Prez will have the last name Clinton or Rice. I still think that possibility is at least 3 elections away, and we don't know who it will be.
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:54 am

Cfalk wrote:

How do you define "reactionary"?

A simple dictionary definition covers it. From dictionary.com:

Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative.


"Already, Europe no longer needs the U.S. like it did prior to 1990. During the Cold War, the U.S. was Europe's protector and big brother. Now that they are more equal, it is natural therefore that the relationship will become more antagonistic/competitive than it was before."

I disagree. Globalization may force the US and Europe to work even more closely than they have in the past. This is especially true as China is destined to emerge as a huge economic and political superpower, capable or rivaling both America and the EU.

Yes, there will be plenty of competition, but most of it will exist between companies in Europe and the US, rather than some ideologically driven rivalrly between the two sides of the Atlantic. Europe and the US have economic, political, cultural and historic ties that are far too close for that to happen -- unless, of course, the reactionary policies of Bush and friends continue to escalate the situation.
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:12 am

If Dean wins, I'll sure pop-up a good bottle to celebrate the return of the USA on the way of social and political progress.
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:19 am

If Dean wins 2004, then Hillary could only run in 2012, by which time she will be too old to run.

If Dean loses in 2004, then Hillary would run in 2008 standing at least a shot at winning the presidency. Eight years of Dubya would rile up the Dems to kick the GOP out.

So, you conservatives better think twice before you start to wish for Dean's political demise !
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:41 am

Jaysit wrote:
If Dean wins 2004, then Hillary could only run in 2012, by which time she will be too old to run.

If Dean loses in 2004, then Hillary would run in 2008 standing at least a shot at winning the presidency. Eight years of Dubya would rile up the Dems to kick the GOP out.

So, you conservatives better think twice before you start to wish for Dean's political demise !



Reading William Safire's editorial in the New York Times today, Jaysit?  Smile


 
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RE: If Howard Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:47 am

As a conservative, I strongly support the Dean campaign. I've already sent them my contribution - the same way I did for Nadar.

Gov. Dean capturing the democratic nomination is probably the 3rd best thing that could happen to the Republicans (1st and 2nd are Amb. Brown or Rev Sharpton - though I'm not sure in which order).

In any case, I'm pretty sure that "President" Dean would want to be call Mr. President and not Dr. Dean / Dr. President.

Aloha717200 - I'm curious. Why not Madam President?

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:04 am

N6376m,

Conventional wisdom certainly says that you are right about Dean and his chances. But let's not forget that conventional wisdom in politics has often turned out to be false in the most unexpected ways. Just imagine if your political contribution backfires!  Big grin
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:20 am

I agree with you completely. In fact, I'll show you how making statements like this can end up smacking you in the face.

I was a legislative intern on Capitol Hill in the summer of 1991 (right after GW I) - I worked for a democratic congressman who later got caught up in the House Post Office scandal. You might ask why I worked for a democrat. The answer is simple: #1 I wanted to see the other side and make sure I was right about my convictions; #2, He offered me a great internship program.

Anyway, I was at a evening cocktail party hosted by some lobbying group and actually spoke with several of the second tier democratic leadership at the time. Being the smart ass, know it all college political science student (subsequently I changed majors) in a cocky, insolent manner I joked that they might as not run anyone against Bush since he was unbeatable (in my expert estimation). They tolerated my stupidity and even joked that whoever ran would be a sacrificial lamb.

The rest is history.

I wonder if they still think of the smart as intern who said something so stupid way back when.

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:46 am

"Reading William Safire's editorial in the New York Times today, Jaysit?"

You bet. Doesn't everyone read Bill Safire?
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:48 am

Jay,

Who do you think would run from the Republican party in 2008 against HRC? I'm worried that the GOP will be in the exact same position the Dems are in 2004.

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:03 am

Jeb Bush
Rudy Guliani
Pataki
Mitt Romney (everyone knew that his MA governorship was only a practice run for the big prize. His major plank will be "I'm the handsomest of them all.")

Colin, Condi, etc will have had enough of Washington and the usual BS that goes with being in the White House.

I dont see anyone in the House or Senate as a star able to run on the Presidential ticket. Maybe Judd Gregg from NH.

Of the whole lot, I think Pataki could prove to be a pain in the neck for HRC. The usual "heartless Republican" accusations wont work against Pataki. But then it all depends on what sort of quagmire Iraq ends up as.
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:10 am

All I know, is that I'll be voting for him in the upcoming election. Hopefully he'll straighten shit out...

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:11 am

I hadn't thought of Pataki. It would certainly make the electoral math interesting for if HRC couldn't carry NY, it would pretty much be over. Pelosi as her VP would be a neat ticket (two women from major states!)

I really don't think Jeb will even run. As a Floridian, I'm not even really impressed with his ability to manage the state. Also this crap with the feeding tube puts him way too involved in personal matters for my tastes.

I see Romney as a VP - unless he does something to really increase his national exposure. Ditto for Judd Gregg. There probles are also electoral math. What do they bring to the table?

Gen/Sec Powell would be an excellent choice for Pres or VP (it would probably force HRC to pick a black running mate) - it would also allow the GOP to say that they were the first party to nominate an African American for Pres/VP. If Powell captured even 10% more of the AA vote it could be mortal in close states for the Dems.

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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:25 am

Jaysit wrote:
Doesn't everyone read Bill Safire?

Only the smart ones. How are you liking Brooks?
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:30 pm

I dont see anyone in the House or Senate as a star able to run on the Presidential ticket. Maybe Judd Gregg from NH.

Do you think, REALLY, that anyone with a name like that even has a prayer in being President?  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: If Howar Dean Becomes President

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:53 pm

I don't think any of us have to worry too much what we will call Dean, except Governor.

He ain't going to be President that's for sure. He just does not have it. No mass appeal. I believe political pundits call it un-electability.



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