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Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:09 am

Today in the National Post:

Canadians too patriotic, Americans say in study

Jack Aubry
CanWest News Service

December 8, 2003

OTTAWA - Canadians should be careful not to appear "boastful" to Americans, who are insecure because of the war in Iraq and admit they are annoyed by northerners showing off the maple leaf on their luggage when they travel, a federal report says.

In focus groups held this fall in four U.S. cities where the federal government is opening consulates, Americans acknowledged they do not know much about Canadians. Many did not know Canada did not support the United States in the war in Iraq.

"Some participants expressed a certain amount of annoyance at what is perceived as a systematic attempt by Canadians to make the statement that they are not Americans by sporting the maple leaf," said the recently released report.

"This underscores the American sensitivity at feeling rejected by the rest of the world ..."

The report says even Americans who blame the Bush administration to some extent for their country's poor relations with the world do not seem to understand why friendly countries and neighbours such as Canada would want to distance themselves from Americans. An American from San Diego is quoted saying: "What bugs me about Canadians, if I may, is that they wear that damn patch on their bags, the Canadian flag patch. That way, they differentiate themselves from us."

Canadians are "very patriotic," freely acknowledging they are from Canada while abroad, observed a respondent from Raleigh, N.C. "Americans will tend to not even want to tell people because they think they'll get bad vibes from them," he added.

The report is based on eight focus groups conducted in September by Millward Brown Goldfarb in San Diego, Raleigh, Denver and Houston where Canadian consulates are in the process of opening.

Pierre Bechard, a spokesman for Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada, said Millward Brown Goldfarb was paid $49,543 for the October report and focus groups.

He said the findings will act as a baseline for the consulates to work to understand how much Americans understand about Canada and how they feel about their relationship with their northern neighbour.

From the findings, federal employees opening the consulates will have their work cut out for them. Most participants said they were "shocked" by a fact sheet about Canada that they were given during the focus groups.

"A few express some concern over the U.S.'s implied dependence on Canada for energy ... However, Canada should be careful not to appear 'boastful,' which could backfire, as Americans do not like to be reminded of any kind of dependence on another country," the report warns.

It says while there is some resentment over Canada's refusal to join the Americans in the war with Iraq, it is currently tempered by "a feeling of uncertainty as to whether the war should have been waged at all.

"Also, unlike France, which is viewed as having forcefully opposed the States, Canada is viewed more as having stayed on sidelines."



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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:12 am

There are a couple of funny things with this story  Laugh out loud
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:29 am

Is there anything really that wrong with representing my own country when I'm in another one. Not many nations have real problems with Canada and it is good to have the locals know where you are from. It's like seeing an AC jet anywhere in the world and that huge maple leaf on the tail tells where that jet came from.
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:35 am

I'd like to know how they pick the people for these focus groups.. They always seem to end up finding the dumbest shut-ins possible.
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:52 am

Is it me or is the writer trying to pass this opinion column off as a news article?
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:54 am

WTF?

I say plaster yourselves with the Maple Leaf and sing "OH CANADA" at the top of your lungs.
 
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:54 am

Airplay, that article's a bunch of junk. Good grief.
 
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:05 am

When im out the country i always either have a shirt from Canada or a pin with the maple leaf on it or wear a Canadian hat or something. I am Canadian, and im proud of it, so when im outa the country i dont want people to say "yeh nother merican" i want them to think "hey theres some Canadians over there EH"


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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:17 am

Canadiannorth

I do the same thing and I have got attention from wearing both my Maple Leafs Jersey as well as my Raptors one and they instantly know I'm Canadian and I enjoy that kind of attention since we sound and look exactly like most Americans.
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:21 am

Just to throw in my two cents (one US and one Canadian, in my case)...

I am a dualie (Dual citizen of the US and Canada) currently attending school in the US. I disagree with the fact that Canadians are too patriotic. Through my experiences, in my humble opinion, Canadians seem to be proud of the fact that they are not American, but are happy to enjoy the benefits of living next to The US. While in The US, Americans are just proud of the fact that they are American.

Canadians, when traveling abroad, tend to display the Maple Leaf so as not to be labeled an "Ignorant American", while Americans tend to be quiet and not mention the fact that they are American so they will not be labeled, an "Ignorant American."

Is there anything wrong with being an Ignorant American? - No!

I am quite proud of the fact that I only know English, my SUV is in miles per hour, and football is played with a pointy ball, not a round one.

But when I go home to Calgary when I am not in school, I am overcome by the patriotism that all Canadians feel: real beer is made by Molson, not Budweiser, I get free healthcare and cheap px drugs, I say "eh", not "huh", and I curse the Diefenbaker government for killing the Avro Arrow and wonder why he has an airport named after him!

All of this in my humble opinion
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:26 am

Goes to show how the government likes to spend our money..
healthcare? no. better roads? no. A stupid study to analyze what Americans think of Canada..yes?!?! yikes

But to get real..it is good and healthy to be patriotic..every country has there thing going on..I don't really understand this weird obsession that Canadians have that Americans need to know about us...they have this big, intricate and interesting country of their own and they need to learn about Canada? get real...besides most Canadians know only about the US what they see on TV..so Canadians don't need to be so smug.

Americans should travel with the stars and stripes and Canadians with the maple leafs.
I travel with the maple leaf proudly...don't lord it over anyone.


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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:27 am

It is that kind of crap that makes me sick of America. I want to live here, there are many positives, but seriously how dumb are we americans? That is the biggest bunch of BullSh1t.

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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:28 pm

Americans calling any nation "too patriotic" is a bit like calling a pot calling a kettle black. Maybe because most of the exposure to Canada has thus far been in Montréal (plus one excursion to Toronto) where I suppose that might not be a great place to measure Canadian patriotism, but from what I've seen Canadians may be patriotic in the sense that they try and separate themselves from being thought of as American (which is perfectly understandable. How many Americans would willingly want to be confused as Canadian?), they never do half the tacky crap that Americans do in the name of patriotism.

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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:48 am

Americans calling any nation "too patriotic" is a bit like calling a pot calling a kettle black

That was pretty much my analysis.

Besides, to find a real Canadian you have to up past 60 lattitude.
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:01 am

My papers are from the United States. I have only lived in this country. Yet, I have Canadian pride. I own two flags, have flag stickers (4) on my car, maple leaf gay pride key ring on my backpack, maple leaf sewen onto one of my jackets, and a maple leaf tattoo. Everyone swears I am Canadian when they meet me. That is just fine with me. When I go to Vancouver (the real one, not this fake one I live in...) the citizens there think I am from either Kamloops or Kelowna. I just say 'no' and change the subject.

Bottom line: we have Mexican pride, Puerto Rican pride, gay pride, Eretrian pride, Guamanian pride.... why not Canadian pride? With that I proudly say....

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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:05 am

IlikeNYC summed it up best...

It's not that we're too proud of being Canadian, but proud that we AREN'T Americans.

It is also extremely funny how when I go abroad to Australia, the people automatically think I'm American because of the accent, and never really warm up to me, until they find out I'm from Canada. Then they become the friendliest bunch of people. Says a lot about the opinions on Americans.

As for us being too patriotic, bullshit. Go to the US anyday, and 9 out of 10 homes/cars have the stars and stripes adorning their abodes, compared to maybe 1 out of 30 here.

However, IlikeNYC also posted a classic American statement :

"Is there anything wrong with being an Ignorant American? - No!"

Yes, there is buddy. Being ignorant and stupid isn't something to be proud of. This classless attitude loses you respect from anyone with an IQ above room temperature. And this is the very reason I get frustrated with Americans, who think the US is one gigantic bubble isolated from the rest of the world.

As for where "real" beer is made, everyone knows it's made in Europe  Big grin

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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:02 am

It is also extremely funny how when I go abroad to Australia, the people automatically think I'm American because of the accent, and never really warm up to me, until they find out I'm from Canada. Then they become the friendliest bunch of people. Says a lot about the opinions on Americans.


I'm also aware that if you go to Great Britain, France, any other country in Europe, any other country in the WORLD for that matter, that if you are an American you will probably get the s--tiest treatment of any other tourist.

I'm I correct or am I just exaggerating?
 
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:18 pm

Here's a story my friend just told me after reading that article:

While in Paris me, Chris, and Tom got lost. We went into a pub and got some beers. We speak very little French but tried our best to ask where we were. In quick French that I barely understood, the tender said that he didn't speak English and couldn't help. I was a little pissed off. We went to go pay and as I was getting money out the bartender saw my Canadian passport. He said in English "oh you're Canadian? I thought you were American. You are right here, if you want to get back to your hotel walk this way for 5 minutes." He also only charged us like 7 Euros for 4 beers.
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:36 pm

That doesn't surprise me about that pub owner in Paris.

Have heard simular stories about guys that went there from our base in Germany in the early 1990's

Pretty simular treatement.

But I understand that the area around Normandy, particularly amoug the more elderly Frenchmen there is more open to american tourists.
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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:56 pm

This sounds like something from the Southpark movie!  Big grin Big grin

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RE: Canadians Too Patriotic?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:51 pm

It is that kind of crap that makes me sick of America. I want to live here, there are many positives, but seriously how dumb are we americans? That is the biggest bunch of BullSh1t.


DLKAPA, here's one other self-loathe post I was referring to. How dumb are we? Dumb enough to equate the population to two inbeciles hand picked for an interview? Dumb enough to believe a 'focus group' is a scientific study of random people? Do you even know what focus groups are? In this case, interview 100 people, then focus on the two dumbfucks.
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