jcs17
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Fighting- what makes a person a good fighter?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:07 pm

In a recent debate between an a.net member and I, one of them proudly stated that "since I work out, I could kick the ass of anyone who didn't." (or something stupid to that effect) In my opinion, this is the dumbest statement since BigPhilNYC claiming he wasn't totally obsessed with shafts. In a normal street or bar fight, strength factors into basically nothing at all. Not only that, but too much in terms of muscles limits your range of motion and the actual speed of the punch. The only advantage to being "in shape" in an actual fight is not having a beer gut to get hit. In most cases, its not like the WWF where you have the chance to pick someone up and throw them somewhere. The only things that matter in one of these fights are:
-technique: can you throw a punch without leaving yourself completely open for a counterpunch?
-toughness: if you get hit and it hurts and/or bleeds, do you go down faster than AA61hvy playing hide the sausage with KROC, or does getting hit just make you more pissed off and make you want to fight harder?
-size: obviously someone who is 6'3" is going to have a reach advantage over someone who is 5'8".
-level of intoxication: is the guy feeling no pain because of his nine beers? Or is his 15 beers making him just one giant sloppy mess?

In my opinion, unless you are a genuine fat fuck, endurance doesn't often come into play. Fights usually end as quickly as they begin, and you're usually not going to see two guys standing in throwing on each other for more than a minute. Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to go start a fight with a professional body builder, but I wouldn't be afraid of someone who was near my size and claimed to lift weights. Hell, I don't even want to start fights, period. Fighting isn't fun at all.

Just my thoughts on the whole thing, and yes, I have been involved in a couple of these drunken fights since I've been at college. Luckily, I've been able to stay out of the center though. The bottom line is, body builders, quit thinking you're tough shit, when in fact, a lot more comes into play then the fact that "I can bench 350 lbs."
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:14 pm

Jcs17:
All I can say is watch your back, just watch your back.
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LHMark
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:30 pm

JCS17..GIMME YOUR LUNCH MONEY AND YOU WON'T GET HURT.
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vafi88
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:37 pm

Jcs - you might be faster and smaller... but if BigPhil gets one good punch on you, you better believe that you're going down... hard.
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jutes85
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:43 pm

I somewhat agree with Jcs17. Muscles is not the most important thing, but if someone has the self-discipline to go to the gym for more then 20hours a week then I admire them. Deep down, we all wish we can have muscles like BigNYC's, but mabye not to that extent (I've got to admit, he is crazy, lol).

In a fight i'd rather be more agile then muscular. I bet that a black-belt karate "person" would have an advantage over a 350lb bench-pressing guy.





[Edited 2003-12-12 06:44:42]
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MxCtrlr
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:49 pm

One of the best (and most feared by repeat patrons of this establishment) club bouncers I ever knew, was a small 5 foot nothing, 110 pound girl that used to work at a strip club in North Miami Beach called Showgirls. I watched her take out muscle-bound 6+ footers with ease. Most of the time, it was pure entertainment to watch some muscle-bound, inebriated 6'4, 350 pounds idiot, try and take a swing on this waif-like woman. She would flatten them so quickly they would be crying for mommy in a heartbeat!

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jutes85
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:13 pm

If that was a 5 foot something guy.........
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:34 pm

You know it is amazing how quick and nimble some of those little people can be.
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:45 pm

I can kick every one of your asses!!!  Wink/being sarcastic  Wink/being sarcastic  Wink/being sarcastic

Actually one of my favorite things to do when confronted by a drunk person taking a swing is to push them away with a palm to their forehead, since I am 6'7" and wear a 38" sleeve, my arms are always much longer. I had one guy continue to flail over and over again while I tried to stop myself from giggling, all the while with my my left palm on his forehead and arm fully extended.

Although, this hasn't happened in many years as I am 33 now and my days of rowdy college bars are 10+ years behind me.
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:29 pm

Jcs17, if the small guy can avoid the clutching and wrestling that usually happens after a punch or two is thrown, then his size may not matter. He needs to 'box' and avoid getting tackled and beat the hell out of. But I've never seen a bar fight where this happens; especially when drunks are involved. It always starts out with these giant windmill punches that miss badly followed by the two getting into a heap with the big guy having the advantage.
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KROC
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:54 pm

Lets state the real reason why this came up.....

In a recent thread where we were ALL joking around, BigPhil made a comment about punching Jcs in the face. It was total tongue in cheek, and was not serious by any means. Of course Jokster Number 1 Jcs decided now to take offense and cry about it, even going as far as telling BigPhil he would tear him up in a real fight. Now I never saw BigPhil claim to be Mike Tyson in a fight, or even say because he lifts, he is a good fighter. But to tell someone you have never met, you will 'tear them up' over the internet is Bush. We all know there is a difference between fighting abilities and lifting abilities. Butterbean (ugh) didn't make his name cause he can bench 500 pounds.
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:53 pm

Hey Josh, want me to prove that people who work out can fight?  Big grin
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SN-A330
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RE: Fighting

Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:57 pm

Figting abilities certainly are a combination of 3 important things :
- fighting experience: that could go from karate over boxing to street fighting,
- weight: much more impact of your punches and kicks,
- speed: the faster you kick or punch, the more impact you get and secondly, your opponent will be too late in when trying to block







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zak
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RE: Fighting

Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:00 am

the best fighter is the one who knows that not fighting is winning a fight.
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SN-A330
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RE: Fighting

Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:04 am

@Zak: that's true, but most of the time, the other guy of girl is not that smart.

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RE: Fighting

Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:07 am

In a normal street or bar fight, strength factors into basically nothing at all. Not only that, but too much in terms of muscles limits your range of motion and the actual speed of the punch.

The first assertion is questionable; strength may not be the only thing, but it's very important. We've all heard stories about skinny little men who easily flatten muscleheads weighing 100 pounds more, but then again we've all heard lots of stories about lots of things. One characteristic shared by almost all combat athletes - boxes, college wrestlers, martial artists - is that they are strong for their size.
As for the second assertion, that too many muscles limit one's range of motion and speed - in other words, the old "musclebound" theory - suffice to say that the concept dates back to the 1930's (or thereabouts) and a company that sold exercise plans by mail order. Selling weights by mail order was obviously impractical, so this company tried to carve out a niche for itself by claiming that weight training would make one hopelessly musclebound, therefore it was better to use this company's exercise program. And that's it.
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RE: Fighting

Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:26 am

The good news is that nowhere in forum rules is Keep hands, feet, and other objects to yourself mentioned. If there is a fight please have someone take pictures.

Since SN-A330 demands a source for things that are obvious and considered common sense.
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RE: Fighting

Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:44 am

@ Startvalve: what are you talking about : Since SN-A330 demands a source for things that are obvious and considered common sense.
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BOEING747-700
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RE: Fighting

Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:44 am

I work out everyday too, but I have yet to fight anyone because I believe in talking someone down with my words rather then my fists. Don't get me wrong, if someone attacks me I am going to defend my self. I am not one to start a fight, its not worth my time and potentially my career to fight someone physically even though I have the strength advantage on them.
 
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RE: Fighting

Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:40 am

http://www.system-chicago.com/
Click movies and check out the short videos, on the bottom of the movie page.

I doesn't matter how many pounds you bench, you will get you ass kicked if you piss Vasiliy off )))
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RE: Fighting

Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:56 am

"We all know there is a difference between fighting abilities and lifting abilities."

Case in point: I work out all the time, but I couldn't take any of you in a fight. I don't think I've ever actually thrown a punch!

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prosa
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RE: Fighting

Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:53 am

http://www.system-chicago.com/
Click movies and check out the short videos, on the bottom of the movie page.
I doesn't matter how many pounds you bench, you will get you ass kicked if you piss Vasiliy off )))


Actually they sort of bear out my point concerning the importance of strength; Vasiliy almost certainly is very strong.
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RE: Fighting

Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:32 am

>>>In a normal street or bar fight

Huh? A NORMAL flight? How can any fight be normal? I go to bars (and streets, for that matter  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ) rather often, and I´ve never witnessed or even taken part in a fight.

I´ve seen my share of bar fights, or the aftermath thereof, in the court room. It´s not very nice, you´re an otherwise normal guy and -presto- you got a criminal record and no chance to pursue a career in the public sector.

Oh well...

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RE: Fighting

Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:38 am

Muscles limit your range and the speed of punches? Awesome! Come on Shaq, let's go!

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RE: Fighting

Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:03 am

Muscles CAN limit you if you are overly bulky. It's been known to mess up hockey and baseball players, sports where strength and finesse go hand in hand.
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prosa
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RE: Fighting

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:51 pm

Muscles CAN limit you if you are overly bulky. It's been known to mess up hockey and baseball players, sports where strength and finesse go hand in hand.

Very rare, however, and generally only when the muscles are steroid-created.
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mirrodie
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RE: Fighting

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:57 pm

I am very scared.

Someone on this globe called me a nasty fuckwit and I think wants to kick my ass.

I am so very scared...

what is a fuckwit?
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bigphilnyc
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RE: Fighting

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:29 pm

No, more common than you think PROSA.

A buddy of mine, no steroids or anyhting, was working out and jsut got to a size that it limited his hockey playing. a Large pec that is able to bench 315 can easily affect your form in a slapshot or something. Theres factors there, but its more common than you think.
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sovietjet
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RE: Fighting

Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:58 am

I'm skinny, not strong and 5' 10"
I've gotten into fights(outside of school of course) with people quite bigger than me. I don't work out at all..I was a swimmer for 3 months that's it. Now basing on the fact that I won most of the time I would have to say tactics and intelligence matter most. What hit would bring down the other guy the fastest? Let's see I usually punch someone in the neck followed quickly by a kick in the stomach. That brings him down or startles him for a couple of seconds by which point he would get 3 more punches in the face or a kick in the face. Fight finishes after that. The worst fight for me was a 300+ pound girl with a triple chin with which every hit jus "sank in" with no effect.
 
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RE: Fighting

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:05 am

You guys crack me up! I haven't seen anything so silly since the "My Dad can beat up your Dad" days of elementary school.  Laugh out loud Step away from the keyboard, and nobody gets hurt. Ok, everybody, outside, by the bike racks, after school! Fight! Fight! Fight!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Fighting

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:08 am

AVT- its the flagpole at recess
Go big or go home
 
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RE: Fighting

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:49 am

http://lucky.phpwebhosting.com/~chkelly/files/hodgepunch.wmv

Footage of Jcs in a fight...Whiff.

[Edited 2003-12-16 22:51:00]
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:38 am

Fighting- what makes a person a good fighter?

One that can win the fight without throwing a single punch.
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:00 pm

Hey JCS17, there is a thread about you in Civil_av, something about you being banned from planes...? http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1295975



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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:03 pm

OK you all keep punching and kicking.. I'll keep my gun, lets see who will win the fight
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:10 pm

Cowards use guns... Figures why you would use one.
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:13 pm

you are just pissed that it can beat any punch or kick
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:27 pm

No, I just think its stupid when someone pulls a gun out in a situation that really isn't life threatening. I mean if there is a psycho coming after you, then go for it, but if you are fighting over a girl or something like that keep the gun away and get your fists up.
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:53 pm

I don't fight over girls.. I have yet to date anyone that I am going to get into a fight over. I avoid those idiotic non life threatening situations.
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:15 pm

That was just an example, because they are common fights.
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:25 pm

I honestly can't remember the last time i was in a fight.. and in all honesty i never have the gun with me.. i would just kick the other guy in the nads and run
 
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:38 pm

Ask yourself this also: Who is the guy who fights for honor, and who is the guy who fights to win? The latter will win every time, guaranteed. I've never been in a fight in my life with anyone other than my brother, but if I do ever get into that situation, you can bet I'd use every outside resource I could get my hands on, crowbar, baseball bat, and anything else grabbable at the moment (other than privates). The good news, I'd never put undo damage onto anybody if I ever HAD to get into a fight. However, I've found that the best way to win a fight is to avoid it in the first place.
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sovietjet
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:00 am

-i would just kick the other guy in the nads and run

pussy fighting...
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KROC
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:04 am

I don't fight over girls.. I have yet to date anyone that I am going to get into a fight over. I avoid those idiotic non life threatening situations.

Actually Startvalve, we can shorten that statement to just a few words...

I have yet to date anyone

Hard to get in a fight over a chick, when you have never dated one.
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:04 am

The only time I have been in fights has been during my rugby games, because the guy is cheap shotting me, so I will take him out unecessarily.
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:00 am

You have never been able to accept that I am straight and have a girlfriend since I turned down your advances in the mens room at the airport KROC.


Call kicking someone in the nads a pussy way to fight but its effective as hell. It also avoids a long drawn out fight that draws attention from local law enforcement. While the guy is on the floor holding his package its a good time to make an exit. I do not believe in fighting for honor, I do believe in fighting to win because the only reason I would be fighting is where there is absolutely no way for me to avoid it thus its considered almost a survival situation. A fist fight is much like an air to air dogfight, if its not over in 2 seconds its not going to go well. The best defense is still prevention. If you go out looking for a fight get over your latent homosexuality or inferiority issues. Also like it or not a kick in the nads neutralizes the other guy immediately and is a sure way to win.
 
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:09 am

You know, I have to be honest. When it comes to a real fight, kicking in the nuts is legal to me. A fight only becomes "cheap" if someone's buddies jump i unnecessarily or if a weapon is pulled.

Startvalve. Pulling guns is going to give you an advantage. I just hope it beats my HK USP .40.





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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:13 am

I knew there was some likeable quality about you phil.. mine is an HK USP .45
 
KROC
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RE: Fighting- What Makes A Person A Good Fighter?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:15 am

Hey Phil, I surrender.

Signed, JCFrench17
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Startvalve: You have never been able to accept that I am straight and have a girlfriend since I turned down your advances in the mens room at the airport KROC.

I'm standing by for you to actually come back with something worth responding too.

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