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Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:31 pm

Cool. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031216/us_nm/life_flight_perils_dc_1

The Mixed Blessing of Wright Brothers' Milestone
by Jim Loney

According to the Reuters article, airplanes are reponsible for

1). December 7, 1941
2). September 11, 2001
3). Allowing the US to drop 2 nuclear devices on Japan
4). Bombers in general dehumanizing war and allowing bombardiers to kill lots of people
5). The rapid spread of SARS
6). The spread of AIDS by means such as the infamous 'Patient Zero', a promiscuous flight attendent in the early days of AIDS who was a key carrier.
7). Fear of flying

Quote: And for all its profoundly positive impacts, human flight unleashed unforeseen and unintended miseries.



Way to go, Reuters. Your article is ridiculous.
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:44 pm

I think they screwed up on the author's name... Jim Looney, not Loney.
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:53 pm

It is indeed rediculus, if not more for just the fact that they blamed the Wright Brothers. Thats like saying, if they hadn't flown, nobody else would've come up with the idea. Humans were meant to build airplanes, and no matter who or where, it was just a matter of time.


Also, for all the incidents listed, there were ones even much worse that didn't involve flight at all.

Diseases? The Black Plague is one that sticks out.

Horrible wars? The most deadly war in US history (the Civil War) occured roughly 40 years before the Wright Bros.

Fear of flying? Hardly an extreme consequence. Just like the fear of heights in tall buildings.

September 11th? Sure, it wouldn't of happened. But if the world was exactly the same that day except for airplanes, you can bet the terrorists would've come up with some other way to attack.


If my keyboard and I were up for a good few hours of typing, I'd list off the positives we've gained from flying, but I'm sure most of you already know them anyways.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:02 pm

Just because the technology changes doesn't mean that death and disease will stop.

The Black Plauge, arguably just as deadly as AIDS, came over to Europe on the backs of rats in ships.

As noted earlier, we where massively killing people and laying seige before the aircraft.
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:04 pm

Airplanes causes heart disease too, people can't move around so they can't exercise which makes them fat which gives them heart attacks...  Insane
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:19 am

He's not looney at all. The fact is that global pandemics didn't exist before air travel became common.
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:24 am

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Loney,

Thanks to the two of you gettng together, we are subjected to your son's drivel. Thank you very much.

Sincerely,
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:30 am

I barfed on an airplane once! Damn those Wright Brothers and their infernal contraption!

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Obviously we can't take this article seriously.....
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:38 am

I think they screwed up on the author's name... Jim Looney, not Loney.

Lol..... may be correct. As people have said in the past.

The inventor invents it for one reason. Beyond that reson it is in the hands of the user and the outcomes are his, and only his fault

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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:25 am

He's not looney at all. The fact is that global pandemics didn't exist before air travel became common.

777236ER, you seem to be negative about Everything. Maybe you should try posting a positive comment once and while. It would probably make you feel so much better.

No, as for your comment... Obviously you have never studied history. Pandemics have been around a lot longer than the invention of the airplane. The misnamed Spanish Flu of 1918-1919 was spread not by air travel but mostly by sea travel. Air travel was in its infancy in 1918 and in no way could have affected the Spanish Flu.
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:31 am

The misnamed Spanish Flu of 1918-1919 was spread not by air travel but mostly by sea travel.

And affected...where? Did it spread like AIDS has and SARS could have? No it did not.
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:44 am

A "1" rating from me.  Yeah sure

What a stupid article. Beneath Reuters to publish such a thing.
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:48 am

According to the Reuters article, airplanes are reponsible for

1). December 7, 1941
2). September 11, 2001
3). Allowing the US to drop 2 nuclear devices on Japan
4). Bombers in general dehumanizing war and allowing bombardiers to kill lots of people
5). The rapid spread of SARS
6). The spread of AIDS by means such as the infamous 'Patient Zero', a promiscuous flight attendent in the early days of AIDS who was a key carrier.
7). Fear of flying


Surely airplanes ARE responsible for all those things? How can you have fear of flying without airplanes...?
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:08 am

777236ER, what's your point.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:34 am

777236ER since you agree with the moron who wrote that maybe you should go and help him out with his next article. I bet you could lend some great information about the negative aspects of manned flight.
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:42 pm

"The inventor invents it for one reason. Beyond that reson it is in the hands of the user and the outcomes are his, and only his fault"

So so true, ie: morphine for people in surgery, nuclear power etc...
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:27 pm

Sure they fucked up by paving the way to powered flight.

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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:43 pm

And 777236ER comes thru in true idiotic fashion! Way to go.  Big thumbs up  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:00 pm

Maybe we should also blame the Chinese for inventing gunpowder. Since gunpowder is used in guns just think of the millions and millions of lives that have been lost due to guns. Way to go China eh.
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:13 pm

I'm still trying to figure out 777236ER's point.

If he's trying to say that airplanes are a bad thing....then why is he even registered on an aviation site?  Confused
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:13 pm

The same could be said about alot of technological advances, the steam engine, internal combustion, electricity, gun powder, etc... We can find that in some way they are connected to the bad things that happen in the world. But mostly they have contributed good things for the general population. If this loney guy only see's bad in the marvels of our century, he must be a miserable individual to be with, he must really be a sad person.
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:40 pm

777236ER, what's your point.

My point is planes ARE responsible for fear of flying. Just like McDonald's is responsible for the Big Mac. It's pretty obvious.

If he's trying to say that airplanes are a bad thing....then why is he even registered on an aviation site?

Of course I'm not. But you can't say "the guy is wrong!!!!!!" when he's not.

And 777236ER comes thru in true idiotic fashion!

I've come "thru" in true idiotic fashion? How? By admitting that planes caused fear of flying?

777236ER since you agree with the moron who wrote that maybe you should go and help him out with his next article.

Why is he a moron?

I bet you could lend some great information about the negative aspects of manned flight.

Oh, so you actually admit there ARE negative aspects of manned flight? There are also negative aspects of internal combustion engines, electricity and space flight. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be used or done, but the negative aspects still exist.
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:44 pm

since the wright bros are americans it is only logical that all evil is related to them

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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:43 am

777236ER, I still don' get what you're trying to accomplish here.

Okay, you're saying that the guy is right.....okay.....why? I mean, what are you trying to accomplish? I just dont see the point of any of your comments on this thread. Not to be rude, but there doesnt seem to be much of a point to them or if there is, it's surely going right over my head.

What's your goal?
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:01 am

Newsday put together a more mild list of aviation's results. might not get one or two of them if you're not familiar with NYC, so ha ha.

http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-a3575224dec08,0,2535931.story

Here are a hundred things that wouldn't have occurred without development of the airplane:

1. Airline food

2. Aero-lingo, like jet-way, baggage carousel and deplane (not to be confused with "De plane! De plane! She come!")

3. Opening day baseball in Japan

4. Bicoastal relationships

5. Weekends in Paris

6. Sonic booms

7. Seattle Supersonics

8. Flight suits and hangars

9. Radio exchanges that end with "Roger, out."

10. Flight attendants

11. "Fly me!" commercials

12. In-flight movies

13. Cross-country organ transplants

14. Teeny-tiny airline pillows

15. The New York Jets

16. Airline hijackings

17. Astronauts

18. Lunar landings

19. "The Right Stuff"

20. The space race

21. "Moon shots" and "Earth shots" (pictures of Earth from space)

22. Air marshals

23. Control towers

24. Air traffic controllers, striking and otherwise

25. Holding patterns

26. Pearl Harbor

27. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001

28. Flight delays

29. Jet lag

30. London blitz

31. Hiroshima and Nagaski

32. The former Grumman and Fairchild Republic companies

33. The jet set

34. Wind socks

35. Sock and shoe inspections

36. Wind tunnels

37. Cargo jets

38. Day trips to California and back

39. Crossing "The Pond" by Concorde, alas, no more

40. Political campaign swings through 10 states in one day

41. Aircraft carriers and flight decks

42. Aerial spraying

43. The mystery of Amelia Earhart

44. Air Force One

45. Marine One

46. The 101st Airborne Division

47. Air sickness

48. Blue ice falling on houses

49. Sleepless nights in Howard Beach

50. Waving to airline passengers from cars stuck on the Belt Parkway

51. Blood clots on flights to Australia

52. The unsolved mystery of DB Cooper

53. Paper airplanes

54. The "Spruce Goose" of Howard Hughes

55. Lucky Lindy

56. Roosevelt Field

57. Spring break in Cancun

58. Model airplane clubs

59. Club Med

60. Carry-on luggage

61. Wheeled luggage

62. Lost luggage

63. Duty-free shopping concourses

64. Really long Customs interviews

65. Jefferson Airplane (not to be confused with Led Zeppelin)

66. Parachutes

67. Skywriting

68. Microsoft Flight Simulator

69. Bush pilots

70. "Passenger facility charges" and security fees

71. Seaplane congestion in the East River

72. Air turbulence

73. Frequent flyer miles

74. Expired frequent flyer miles

75. Overnight transcontinental mail

76. Boarding passes

77. The Mile-High Club

78. "Slaughterhouse Five"

79. The Berlin Airlift

80. The former Pan Am Building

81. Van Wyck Expressway

82. The truncated careers of Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper, Richie Valens, John Denver, Will Rogers, Dean Martin Jr., Ricky Nelson,

Paul Wellstone, JFK Jr. and many others.

83. "Airport," "Airplane," and "Top Gun"

84. Imported cheese

85. Stewardess Barbie

86. "Benny and the Jets"

87. "Leaving on a Jet Plane"

88. Little bottles of liquor

89. Online travel sites

90. In-flight magazines

91. Bruises from overhead compartments

92. Tarmac kissing

93. Airport conference centers

94. Express rental car check-in

95. "Fear of Flying"

96. Cradle of Aviation Museum

97. Flyboys

98. Skycaps

99. Jumpsuits

100. Leather bomber jackets
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:09 am

That's pretty cool that they put the former Pan Am building in that list.
 
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:02 am

they forgot chemtrails and tailstrike danger in that list!
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:03 am

Okay, you're saying that the guy is right.....okay.....why? I mean, what are you trying to accomplish? I just dont see the point of any of your comments on this thread. Not to be rude, but there doesnt seem to be much of a point to them or if there is, it's surely going right over my head.

What's your goal?

What the bloody hell are you on about?! The guy is RIGHT. Futterman's article is ALSO right. Just accept that planes caused fear of flying!
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RE: Wright Bros. Responsible For Sars, Aids, Killing

Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:42 pm

Planes caused fear of flying? Personally, I disagree. I think people who are afraid of flying

1). Have some kind of fear of heights. Personally, I am afraid of heights, but I am not afraid of flying (there are exceptions to everything)

2). Don't understand how a plane manages to stay up in the air or how the pilot really controls it. Ignorance breeds fear.

3). Feel like they're not in control, which is why even though people are much safer flying on Delta than driving their own cars, who's afraid to drive a car?

4). Airliner cabins aren't exactly claustrophobic, but there aren't many exits. From a single-door Piper seating four to a seven-door MD-80 seating 142, it may not seem like it's easy to get out if you crash.

5). Media sensationalism is also to blame, in my opinion.



There are different factors that come into play when the vast majority of the public who aren't pilots get on a plane which collectively adds up to the "fear of flying".

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