tranceport
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Canadian Citizenship Laws

Mon Dec 22, 2003 8:40 pm

I became a landed immigrant in Canada a few weeks ago, and the official who rubber stamped the papers had some interesting news to tell me regarding citizenship law in Canada.

She advised me to consider applying for Canadian citizenship very carefully because seemingly there is a bill going into Parliament this spring which would do away with dual citizenship in Canada. She said if it passes, applicants for Canadian citizenship would be required to renounce their existing citizenship(s).

What do you guys, especially Canadians, think about a move like this? Is it desirable? Feasible? What are the advantages? Do you think such a bill has any chance of passing, and why did it become an issue in the first place?
 
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:26 pm

Hmmm, I think you landed a bit far north. Nothing but snow, igloos, hockey, and naked hippie liberals up there! LOL.

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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:31 am

Oh how I wish I was in Florida Big grin
 
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:00 am

Seems kind of backward in this increasingly global atmosphere. And especially where Canada is losing so many of its people to other nations (the "Brain Drain" I think is the term), you would think that Canada would try and make itself as attractive to foreigners as possible, and saying that if you come here, stay, get your citizenship you must get rid of your former citizenship. That's going to scare away many who will opt to go to Europe or the US where dual-citizenship, if not permitted, is generally overlooked and allowed (the US still has a law prohibiting dual-citizenship, but for sometime now it has been largely ignored, if not forgotten). So, I don't quite understand Canada's motive in doing that, however if that were to become the case, I wonder if there's some other, underlying plan like compulsory military service or something like that.

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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:32 am

I don`t think we need to "make Canada more attractive" to immigrants. I'm not sure why any country allows dual citizenship in the first place. Make up your mind! One or the other, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:49 am

Dual Citizenship is a very confusing topic and unless you have been dealing with it, it is very difficult to understand.

Tranceport,

I don't know your actual citizenship, but I can tell you that if the new bill is approved in the parliament, there will be people that would take Canadian citizenship and will keep their former citizenship (dual citizenship) even with the law in place and working. That is because people forget that dual citizenship works with the laws of two countries and not only the laws of one country. So there could be cases where people who take Canadian citizenship, are forced to renounce to their previous citizenship, but the resignation to the former citizenship is not approved by the laws of the country of his previous citizenship. This is the case of Mexico. In my case I have dual citizenship (Mexican and Spanish) and both countries allow dual citizenship, but if my case was being Mexican and taking US Citizenship, I will have to give my Mexican citizenship by US laws. The problem will be that Mexico will never recognize my resignation to Mexican citizenship, so for Mexico I will still keep my citizenship with full privilege... so keep this in mind and do a little bit of research on dual citizenship before you apply for Canadian citizenship.

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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 7:07 am

Dual citizenship does indeed seem to be a confusing topic and interpretations vary greatly depending on whom you ask.

I know that some people can renounce citizenship for immigration purposes. An example are the Japanese who come to Canada who wish to retain their Japanese citizenship. They lose it if they are Canadian citizens. To circumvent this, they often renounce their Canadian citizenship as soon as they receive it. You can formally renounce Canadian citizenship, but it is only a technicality. You sign the papers but Canada still recognises your Canadian citizenship. This way, Japan is satisfied and they can keep their Japanese citizenship as well.

In my case, I am a US citizen, which is why the official urged me to exercise much caution. Not that being a US citizen is more important than any other citizenship, but she seemed to indicate this was one nationality that I would *not* want to give up for whatever reasons. Although the US will always be home to me and I have a soft spot for it, my life, family and interests lie in Canada. I'll probably go for Canadian citizenship either way.
 
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:01 am

"In my case, I am a US citizen, which is why the official urged me to exercise much caution. Not that being a US citizen is more important than any other citizenship, but she seemed to indicate this was one nationality that I would *not* want to give up for whatever reasons."

This is the first I've heard of this "new" Canadian citizenship rule. My wife is an American born, naturalized Canadian -- and she didn't surrender her US citizenship when she became a Canadian.

Where this starts to get interesting, though, is if she decided she wanted to re-establish residency in the U.S. (she doesn't -- not after Iraq). The U.S. Internal Revenue Service takes the position that while in Canada, she should have been filing annual US income tax returns. She didn't. The IRS might try to nail her for 20 years of back taxes. Very good incentive to stay put.

Whether or not you retain your US citizesnhip is betweeen you and the US, I would think. I don't think Canada would require you to renounce it formally. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I also suspect that the US would let you reclaim it -- although a lot has changed since 9/11.
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:39 pm

Would someone be so kind as to footnote their sources for all these wild accusations, inuendo, rampant guessing, and other what if scenarios that are not based on any substantiated facts.

Did you hear the one that all US citizens will be made honorary citizens of Iraq so that the coming Iraq elections can be stacked the way the US wants?

See how silly this all is without somebody stating the source of their alledged facts.
So who wants to present some "facts" on this supposed Canadian issue?

thanks
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:44 pm

Steve,

Will they be mailing out ballots? Or do we have to pick them up at the post office?

 Big grin
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:02 pm

This is the first I've heard of this also. I have dual Canadian/EC citizenship (born in the UK, raised in Canada) but consider myself Canadian FIRST of course.

I have no problem with any potential legislation that may require the suspension of alternate citizenships other than Cdn. If someone is not willing to be 100% Cdn all the time, I argue they don't deserve to be Cdn at all. Despite the minor convenience of an EC passport, I do not feel British at all.



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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:02 pm

This was also surprising news to myself and my sponsor to Canada. The only substantiation I have is what my sponsor and I were told by a female immigration official at my landing ceremony on 20 November at the Vancouver Citizenship and Immigration Office on Hornby Street.

I'll do some web searching and see if I can find some sources. If I can't come up with anything I'll phone CIC after holidays and see if I can't find some more information. I dunno, maybe she was just having a bad day and decided to make up some extraneous information.
 
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:09 pm

I'll phone CIC after holidays and see if I can't find some more information

You poor naive. Calling CIC is useful if you enjoy listening to long period of on-hold music, but not much else.
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:20 pm

I've phoned CIC several times in the past few months and haven't had much trouble getting through to them.

The link seems to be non-functional right now, but a web search has pulled up this information:

Bill C-18 - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/policy/cit-act.html
This is Government's proposal for the new Canadian Citizenship Act. Currently (early 2003) this bill is making its way through the House of Commons.


What the proposals are I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[Edited 2003-12-23 09:23:45]
 
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:23 pm

The USA makes you renounce your old citizenship already. I have dual UK-Canadian citizenship at the moment.

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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:23 am

Is there any advantage in being a Canadian citizen as opposed to a landed immigrant?

If someone is not willing to be 100% Cdn all the time, I argue they don't deserve to be Cdn at all

It's not as easy as that for millions of people out there. I'm British/Irish/Venezuelan (in alphabetical order!) and was born with the right to those three nationalities. I've lived in all three countries on and off for roughly equal periods of time and have friends and family in all three places. It's hard to explain exactly what it's like... I feel like I fit in everywhere but don't completely belong in any one place  Confused Asking me to choose a nationality wouldn't make me more patriotic or trustworthy in wartime... I'd just choose the nationality that I find most useful (toss up between British & Irish).
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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:08 am

"Is there any advantage in being a Canadian citizen as opposed to a landed immigrant?"

Yes. If you are a citizen, you can leave the country for as long as you want and return when you feel like it. If you are a landed immigrant, and you leave the country for six months or more -- you lose your landed immigrant status. In fact, I think they shortened that period just recently.

Also -- landed immigrants can't vote.

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RE: Canadian Citizenship Laws

Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:01 pm

If you are a landed immigrant, and you leave the country for six months or more -- you lose your landed immigrant status

Not completely true. There are plenty of exceptions, such as if you leave the country in the service of a Canadian company, if you are married to a Canadian spouse, if you continue to hold Canadian property under certain conditions, etc...
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