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The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:49 pm

http://www.rnc.org/moveon2.mov

To equate a President of the United States to the 20th centuries worst scoundrel is outrageous and disgusting. I would expect much better from any Bush opponent.

Hate speech is alive and well. But when you are on a sinking ship you grasp at anything to stay alive?

Here is the list of those who align themselves with this trash. These people will be the judge of this and other similar 30 second films in opposition to Bush that are going to be shown as entries in a anti-Bush video contest on moveon.org.

Jack Black
Benny Boom
Donna Brazile
James Carville
Margaret Cho
Hector Elizondo
Al Franken
Janeane Garofalo
Stan Greenberg
Ted Hope
Jessica Lange
Michael Mann
Moby
Michael Moore
Mark Pellington
Tony Shalhoub
Russell Simmons
Michael Stipe
Gus Van Zandt
Katrina Vanden Heuvel
Eddie Vedder

When looking at this list of names I don't feel so bad considering they are the dregs of American society and are out of touch with mainstream America. I hope they are proud of this crap on moveon.org and their association with this silly pathetic anti-Bush site and contest.


 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:10 pm

Yeah, I saw that too, but midway through my diatribe, I realized I would probably get banned if I actually posted that message. Its absolutely disgusting that Bush is compared to Hitler, although I'm sure quite a few a.net sickos have already made the connection. I mean, I guess the attempted extermination of the Jews and killing terrorists and dictators go hand in hand  Yeah sure . Its actually pretty hypocritical comparing Bush with Hitler, considering these are some of the most anti-Jewish people in Hollywood. You're right though, these guys are so far out-of-touch with mainstream America its amazing. Its actually pretty funny who is on that list, its like a who's who of washups and never-beens (with perhaps the exception of Jack Black). MoveOn.org is actually linked with the World Socialist Organization, and they get some support from them. I guess one loser organization supporting another.

Liberals, before you have a hissy fit, just imagine if this was an ad attacking Teddy Kennedy or maybe comparing Howard Dean to Joseph Stalin. Could you imagine the outrage.

$50 says that someone on a.net will try to attempt to link Bush and Hitler in this thread.

Ahhh, the freedoms of speech.  Smile
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:22 pm

I'm a proud liberal and thanks for the info on moveon.org. I think Bush is an arrogant asshole that doesn't have a clue. He's killing Americans and Iraqis for control of the Persian gulfs oil. I think the Bush family had some kind of dealings with Hilter before the start of WW2. And that's the good things I have to say about him/them. ANY ONE BUT BUSH IN 2004 !!!!!!!!
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:30 pm

JCS and Commander, except a few extremists that you have as well on the left as on the right side, nobody is generalizing Bush with Hitler.

There will always be idiots... but generalizing them to 'liberals' is quite stupid, huh?

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:31 pm

$50 says that someone on a.net will try to attempt to link Bush and Hitler in this thread.

I think the Bush family had some kind of dealings with Hilter before the start of WW2.

Good, because I don't have $50.

By the way, are you truly this ignorant in real life?
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:34 pm

JCS and Commander, except a few extremists that you have as well on the left as on the right side, nobody is generalizing Bush with Hitler.

The site and it's supporters speak for itself.




 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:39 pm

It is absolutely untrue that MoveOn.org is affiliated with the World Socialist Organization. But what difference does it make anyway? Is this another McCarthy-style communist witch hunt or something? The cold war is over. Communism isn't going to take over the world.

Liberals, before you have a hissy fit, just imagine if this was an ad attacking Teddy Kennedy or maybe comparing Howard Dean to Joseph Stalin. Could you imagine the outrage.

It would be just as absurd to compare democrats to communists as it is to compare Bush to Hitler. Both are untrue. Although I don't like what Bush is doing, I wouldn't compare him to Hitler

MoveOn.org is a group of citizens who feel strongly that "president" Bush should not remain in the white house, and whether or not you like it, they have the right to speak their mind. As you say, Jcs17, Ahhh, the freedoms of speech.

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:21 pm

Eddie Vedder!! that's perl jam's lead singer!! now that's weird
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:27 pm

Can we at least all agree that Margaret Cho is perhaps the least funny commedian to ever grace a comedy club stage?
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:05 pm

I have no sympathies for wild Hitler comparisons, but could it be that the clip is one of those "Bush in 30 Seconds" proposals? In this case, it may be that not everyone on the list our self-proclaimed commander provided agrees with the idea behind the film.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:45 pm

Big deal. So someone doesn't like him. This kind of crap was heaped upon Clinton from the far right for 8 and a half years, and the same neocon voices on here who are so outraged at this are the same ones who backed most of the shit that was done to Clinton. I guess they can dish it out, but sure can't take it. Rather amusing.  Smile
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:04 pm

Hate speech is alive and well.

Ah I see. Freedom of speech is all well and good...unless you're critising Bush in which case it becomes "hate speech". Land of the free!
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:07 pm

How nicely sarcastic, 777236ER!  Big thumbs up

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:29 pm

Isn't this organization (moveon) partially funded by George Soros - the multibillionaire who made his fortunes by arbitraging foreign currencies (particularly, he's attributed to the massive destabilization of the Russian Ruble)?

To me, his involvement is part of the real story here. He calls the President one of the greatest threats to peace of all time, yet if this were true, he'd stand to benefit tremendously from the FX fallout of a destabilized US. To me, this has a lot of parallels to a short seller talking down a stock just to achieve their financial goal.

Follow the money.

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:27 pm

Lets see:

George Soros - multibillionaire who spends his billions on philanthrophic projects, promoting democratic institutions in Eastern Europe, giving away billions to medical research.

George Bush - dimwitted scion born to wealth, incapable of creating it, unaware of geopolitics in the world, heir apparent to right wing brutes and friends of Saddam, and clueless yes-man responsible for sending troops into pointless war to buttress his failing tenure in office.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:55 pm

Ha! I found this quite comical, this should go under the humor section. Most of the performers on the list were or are untalented, most of them did not even attend college. Why would I listen to a comedian as to what his view points are on politics? Some of the members on the list are not even American citizens.

I clicked on the link and I found the video disgusting, if I was against President Bush, I would never in my right mind attach my name to that piece of trash.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:57 pm

That's right Jay - GWB has never done anything good and everything George Soros does is good. You are brilliant!

How about addressing the point, not just distracting attention from it. Pretty hypocritical for the left that likes to constantly point towards the relationship between the Bush administration and Halliburton to completely ignore the pecuniary relationships between Soros and the MOVEON movement.

Isn't there a saying in the legal profession that says, when you have the law on your side, argue the law; when you have the facts on your side, argue the fact; and when you have neither, just argue - I guess we all now know what you have on your side of the coin with respect to this issue.
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:05 am

Agreed N6376.

George Soros was also a big proponent of the U.S.'s Campaign Finance Reform. Than he turns around and pledges millions to help defeat Bush.
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:14 am

Frankly I'm not sure what GW Bush has done that qualifies as "good." Besides, all the points raised by me are, indeed, factual. The man has been a failure in the business world, and we are all quite aware of his dismal intellect and his pitiful knowledge of the world around him. As far as being the heir apparent to the Reagan/Poppie/Rummy pals of Saddam Club goes, the facts are etched into history. I suggest you go argue with the ghosts of the Iraqi dead from 1984 - 1988.

And where in my posting do I say that GW Bush has done nothing good, and that Soros is the angle incarnate? If you're so prickly about criticism about your dear beloved President, then you have a thin skin indeed.

And what point are we talking about here? The comparison of Bush with Hitler? Its stupid at best, and hardly deserving of a response. The usual Bush cheerleaders get their panties into a wad over stuff like that, but why should it even merit a response from anyone else. I responded to the damning of George Soros, who without a doubt is more worthy of respect than GW Bush will ever be. As far as the HAlliburton connections go, Dubya is an elected government official and his HAlli connections ought to raise the fears and doubts of every citizen whose tax dollars are going to fuel the private accounts of his Veep in charge. Soros, on the other hand, is a private citizen. If you can't see the difference between a public official using his office to promote the interests of a private corporation, and a private unelected citizen, then I have nothing more to add. La La Land beckons.

So, go grab your coffee of the day. Maybe all you need is a jolt of caffeine to see the facts.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:14 am

Pretty hypocritical for the left that likes to constantly point towards the relationship between the Bush administration and Halliburton to completely ignore the pecuniary relationships between Soros and the MOVEON movement.

Are you comparing Halliburton to MoveOn? ROTFLMAO!  Laugh out loud

That's a good one. Face it-there are rich folk on both sides who throw their money to certain candidates. The real hypocrisy on this thread is from the rightwingers, who are up in arms about this, when the same people doing the bitching were the ones cheering everytime a right-wing rag or right-wing supporter brought even the wildest accusations against President Clinton. It's done on both sides, and it's pretty funny when either side bitches for doing what they themselves do.  Smile
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:27 am

Okay, maybe not Hitler, but how about Goering:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

9/11 was cited as our big reason for going to Iraq (We are being attacked)

Protestors were considered "un-American (pacifists lacked patriotism)

WMD's could be used against the US (exposing country to greater danger)

As far as what one side does versus the other - is comparing Bush to Hitler any worse than insinuating that Bill Clinton had Vince Foster murdered?
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:33 am

So someone doesn't like him. This kind of crap was heaped upon Clinton from the far right for 8 and a half years, and the same neocon voices on here who are so outraged at this are the same ones who backed most of the shit that was done to Clinton. I guess they can dish it out, but sure can't take it.

Alpha1, I will be waiting eagerly for you to find one instance where Bill Clinton was compared to one of the worst genocidal dictators the world has ever seen.

Lets see:

George Soros - multibillionaire who spends his billions on philanthrophic projects, promoting democratic institutions in Eastern Europe, giving away billions to medical research.

George Bush - dimwitted scion born to wealth, incapable of creating it, unaware of geopolitics in the world, heir apparent to right wing brutes and friends of Saddam, and clueless yes-man responsible for sending troops into pointless war to buttress his failing tenure in office.


Brilliant as usual, Jaysit. I've heard that law schools are getting easier and easier to gain acceptance to--I guess this just proves the point.

Anyway, this whole thread proves my theory that the the era of the educated moderate Democrat is over...
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:57 am

Bill Clinton was accused of plotting to murder an American citizen, a very serious (and baseless) charge, indeed. Accusation of murder is a far more serious charge than some "comparison" to a dead Nazi. Accusations invite investigations which invite a waste of prosecutorial time and tax payer money; stupid comparisons merely invite stupid defenses by pom pom waving dimwits on internet boards.

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:09 am

Its a new year, Jcs.

Visited any imaginary destinations on imaginary Business Class cabins in between all those evenings of animated lovemaking with your very real Dubya Bush GI Joe doll?

Perhaps a visit to lovely Rio to visit your imaginary girl friend, the girl from Ipanema, where your imaginary laptop will be stolen as you step off the imaginary Business Class Cabin of a Varig 777?
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:28 am

"Anyway, this whole thread proves my theory that the the era of the educated moderate Democrat is over..."

So when Dumbya came into power a new era of the educated and moderate Conservative dawned???


Besides that, your statements are all wrong.

Oh and do not waste your time at something as useless as rnc.org or gop.com.

[Edited 2004-01-05 20:34:11]
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:38 am

Alpha1 - Soros has every right to do what he's doing, I've never argued otherwise. However, until I pointed out the relationship, nobody (either from the right or the left) pointed out the pecuniary interest Soros has in destablizing this government.

I'm not comparing Halliburton to MOVEON. I'm comparing the percieved conflict that exists when money enters into the equation. FOR THE RECORD, it is an absolute embarrassment to conservatives/libertarians that Halliburton secured the contracts that it has. The office of the presidency of the United States should be held to a higher standard - not just one that avoids conflicts of interest but also the appearance of a conflict. I completely support the left's exposure of these actual and perceived abuses by this administration.

The degredation of the sanctity of the office of the POTUS began a long time ago but probably peaked when our last President thought that the Oval office was an appropriate place to be blown.

-76M
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:48 am

What is the problem with Bush??? He is really not a bad president at all I think. I'm not a political scientist but geez, there have been much worse presidents than the current one who I totally approve of. He's a refreshing break from the Clintons, that's for sure. I got a letter of congratulations for making Eagle Scout from George and Laura Bush today. I will display it proudly.

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:54 am

Jaysit writes

"I'm not sure what GW Bush has done that qualifies as "good."

"And where in my posting do I say that GW Bush has done nothing good, and that Soros is the angle [sic] incarnate?"


You answered your own question Jay. Whether you specifically said it or not, it's quite clear what impression the original post was supposed to leave the reader with (in fact, your second post pretty much spells it out). So you can play your semantic games with your friends at Ropes & Gray, but your word games won't cut it with me.

As for the substantive issues in your post, look at my reply #25. See we agree on some things. But your attempt to divert attention away from the substance of my initial post (i.e. Soros has a conflict) by raising the conflict that GWB and his administration has, is classic lawyering - though in my experiences its usually done by litigator not a patent attorney.

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:57 am

Welcome to the Eagle Scout fraternity Goboeing. Now if I could only find my certificate from 1984 I'd display it as well.
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:59 am

Probably personally signed. I think I have mine laying around that I received from Jimmy Carter............ Insane
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:05 am

This is why the Dems are gonna lose pathetically. They have nothing but hate speech. All I've seen from them is "I hate Bush. He sucks." The Democrats of old, the party of FDR, Turman, and JFK would have said "I don't like what Bush is doing. Here's my better plan." But noooooooooooooo. You guys are too busy marginalizing yourselves. Well good. It means REPUBLICANS WIN!

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:18 am

As a Democrat, I do not "hate" Bush, but disagree with many things he has done. The current field of democratic candidates does not, in my opinion, have a clear front runner, but hopefully, the primaries will weed out the contenders.

No, no one, in my opinion should be compared to Hitler. However, instead of saying Repubicans win, or Democrats win, should it not be the American people win?

During Reagan and Bush Srs. term, the Democrats had control of the House and Senate and during Clinton's term, or most of it, the Republicans held control of both Houses. So, in essence, we are all responsible for the shit we have gotten ourselves in.

L.1011, who will you be voting for in the fall?

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:34 am

OK, Mr - 76M:

The so-called conflict of interests attributed to Soros are the lore of conspiracy theorists (Is the tired adage zionist international bankers still part of the lexicon on the right?) especially those on the right. (Warren Buffet is another target of attack). Any currency destabilizations of the US Dollar by Soros would nigh be impossible in any case, and equally applicable to a US dollar under the governance of a Dem or a Rep administration. So your little strategy of damning Soros as a macchiavellian enemy of the people appears to rest solely on his distaste for Bush.

And as far as my question about "What has Bush done that qualifies as good," that was a question to you. In an America and a world that is sharply divided on the morality and purpose of the war in Iraq, which side can truly claim the mantle of "good?" Before you hop around on one foot like Rumpelstiltskin opposed to semantics, ask yourself that question.

As far as classic or ignominous acts of lawyering go, this is after all a rather amateur internet forum. And if we ran this by your exacting standards, then you should have pointed out the errors of the Nazi-comparing article, rather than the ideological connections of Soros and some rather bogus and tired arbitrage possibilities. When playing with other muck rakers, I don't hesitate to play by the same dirty rules you lay out by precedence.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:46 am

"considering these are some of the most anti-Jewish people in Hollywood."

I'm sure.
Considering that many of them are Jewish themselves.

"This is why the Dems are gonna lose pathetically. They have nothing but hate speech."

Ever read a newspaper or tune into the Democratic debates? Not once have I heard "I hate Bush." And as far as hate speech goes, the GOP and its minions wrote the book on it.

When the Scarecrow sang to Dorothy..."If I Only Had A Brain," were some of you the backup singers?
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:00 am

So Jay (feel free to drop the "Mr." when addressing me),

You think by simply pointing out the fact that a potential conflict exists this is equivalent to muck raking? I never "damned" him, I just pointed out the facts that exist. Certainly I didn't state that there was a vast left wing conspiracy to attack the current administration (unlike how some on the left have alleged against the right). Why are you so against someone pointing out some unrefutable facts?

1. Soros funds this organization.

2. This organization is actively attempting to defeat the current administration

3. Soros might stand to gain financially if the US dollar gets destabilized the way he has done in the past.

I draw no conclusion from these facts as I won't fall into the post hoc ergo propter ad hoc fallacy. I simply report them.

As for the Zionist banker allusion, you again are attempting to distract from the issue - if by nothing else inferring that the right is anti-Semitic. What scares you so much about this that you're having to go back time after time to your lawyerly bag of tricks? (For the record, Israel has no stronger ally than the right). I would have expected more from an MIT graduate.
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:17 am

"For the record, Israel has no stronger ally than the right"

A debatable pronouncement at best. The ostensible pro-Israel stance is based on a whole different set of geopolitical assumptions and has precious little to do with being pro-Jewish or rejecting the historically putrid right wing Zionist conspiracy nonsense.

"Soros might stand to gain financially if the US dollar gets destabilized the way he has done in the past."

Soros MIGHT stand to gain financially if the US Dollar got stabilized under a democratic administration. Soros MIGHT stand to gain financially from a lot of things. The nexus between the word "might" and "fact" is tenuous at best. Linguists may even call it an impossibility. Your so-called facts are cloaked in tired and baseless insinuations. Besides, funding a rather bombastic organization with latte-sipping Malibu socialites and trust fund hippie chicks as spokespeople is as likely to cause a currency collapse as Bennifer are likely to make a hit movie.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:26 am

Jay,

You're the only one drawing the nexus. I specifically disclaimed any conclusion. Soros might stand to benefit is a completely true statement as it leaves open the possibility that he won't.

The ostensible pro-Israel stance is based on a whole different set of geopolitical assumptions and has precious little to do with being pro-Jewish or rejecting the historically putrid right wing Zionist conspiracy nonsense.

WTF does this mean???? Lawyer speak if I've ever heard it before.

Jay, just answer the question - why are you so scared of someone pointing out the relationship between Soros and the organization? Given the length of your responses (and how verbose they are), I wonder how many billable hours you spend on these message boards.

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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:37 am

"Soros might stand to benefit is a completely true statement as it leaves open the possibility that he won't."

LOL. Wow. Now, thats what I call B*llshit speak. How do you like that lack of verbosity?

"Lawyer speak if I've ever heard it before...Given the length of your responses (and how verbose they are), I wonder how many billable hours you spend on these message boards."

Then you dont get it. The pro-Israel GOP Christian right (Mssrs DeLay et al) have always been notoriously anti-Jewish. So has the entire evangelical wing of the GOP, inarguably the governing majority of the GOP. Maybe a crash course in history and religion for the confused? As far as my billables go, they're really none of your damned business. And Amen to that too.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:55 am

Jay,

You have no idea whether your billables are any of my damn business - I might be a client of the firm? I think that you might be very surprised to realize just how small a world this is.

Wow, the fury of your responses show just how upset you are that I'm pointing out the existence of these relationships. What are you so afraid of?

Am I now to understand that you disagree that the use of the word "might", includes the possibility that he will benefit as much as the possibility as that he won't. Your very skillful use of the english language leaves me the impression that you do.

And yet again you attempted to draw the focus away from these relationship by attacking Rep. Delay. As Darth Vader would have said, "Your feelings betray you."
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:06 am

"I might be a client of the firm"

LOL. I doubt it.

Plus, I'm on vacation so stop your little pathological tirade, luv. Its going nowhere, and makes you appear . . . well, rather crazy.

The little world of your own creation where "might" becomes "is," has ensnared you and made you the Uber Clinton.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:21 am

Jay -

You walked right into that one. Why does "might" as in "I might be a client of your firm" mean anything different than it does in the statement, "he might stand to benefit from it"?

As for the pathological tirade - who's the one whose ranting, lobbying personal attacks against the other and refusing to address the underlying issues. Again, why are you so against someone pointing out the relationship between Soros and this organization?

-76M
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:22 am

The degredation of the sanctity of the office of the POTUS began a long time ago but probably peaked when our last President thought that the Oval office was an appropriate place to be blown.

Personally, I think it's hit rock-bottom with a President who went to war to settle a personal score, and based on a lie. But I guess in right-wing minds, getting a blowjob in the Oval Office is more serious than the deaths of a few thousand Iraqi's, and a few hundred of our own soldiers. Must be a moral thing.
 
goingboeing
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:37 am

Come on Alpha...it wasn't about the blow job...it was lying under oath about the blow job.  Nuts
 
JeffM
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:11 pm

The thing is Alpha, the many thousands of Iraqi's lives that were lost could have been saved if that bastard with the cigar had done his job instead of playing with an intern. Yea...a moral thing... Immoral in Clinton's case.

Yes? No?

Thought so...
 
Klaus
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:14 pm

Do you propose that Bill Clinton should have had stormed the Reagan White House and stopped them to back Saddam on his nerve-gas attacks on his own people? Or what?
 
david b.
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:15 pm

Thousands of Iraqis' lives would have been saved if Bush did not go to war based on lies just to finish daddy's job. Immoral of GW's part.

Yes?No?

Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
 
JeffM
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:16 pm

Yea, brilliant Klaus, glad to see your paying attention.

 
Alpha 1
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:23 pm

Oh, for Christ Sake, JeffM, tell me you're not that far gone? Clinton had no reason to invade Iraq-Bush's reason was finishing Daddy's war, and advancing this xenophobic foreign policy of ours. Once again, something is placed at Clinton's feet that he has not blame for. Amazing. Simply amazing.

The immorality, JeffM, is this suppsed good Christian fighting a war over bogus reasons. That's the immorality, and you dance right to his tune.
 
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:01 pm

Alpha1, would you answer me this simple question:

-Did you think that there was any reason NOT TO BELIEVE that Saddam Hussein did not have WMD?

Here let me save you some time, because I know you're going to come up with some kind of lie--No, you didn't, you just thought the war was unjust.

The whole world, even the French and the Germans, believed Hussein had WMD. Bush thought they did, as well. Lying is knowfully going against facts--something W did not do.

Xenophobic foreign policy, Alpha? Did you steal that line from Roy? Go vote for Dean, make your little statement, and be done with it already.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
 
JeffM
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RE: The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!

Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:04 pm

Alpha,

I thought he had good reason. Many others did too.

Get over it.

Jeff

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