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Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:12 am

As simple as this is... it's sure causing an uproar in the media. Particularly the more right-wing outlets:

O'Reilly Factor
Hannity and Colmes
etc....

http://www.rnc.org/moveon2.mov
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:14 am

So are the joys of unilateral war.
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:17 am

It is a stupid attempt by the lefties...

they are struggling.... BIG TIME.
 
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:20 am

Oh and the war was a stupid attempt by the righties?
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:31 am

There´s no indication of any intention to persecute and kill any group of people... That makes comparisons with Hitler inappropriate and just tasteless attention-grabbing.

There´s an uncanny resemblance with another regime a few years earlier in german history, though:



Emperor Wilhelm II and his supporters had the same maniacal nationalist and autoritarian preferences with more than a tinge of paranoia and a strong affinity for military solutions for any problem in the world, not to mention imperial ambitions at the expense of the rest of the world...

When WWI was lost and the emperor had abdicated, the ensuing confusion, coupled with the autoritarian upringing of most people, helped pave the way for the collapse of the Weimar Republic and the ascension of Hitler´s NSDAP, however.

Autoritarian thinking is dangerous. But, on the other hand, I think that contemporary americans should be a lot better prepared to turn their country around again than the germans of the early 20th century were back then...
 
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:47 am

When was the last time the country's "leaders" kept immune from criticism? When was the last time the state machinery was used to attack anyoe who criticized the countrys "leaders"?

Err, but to most of us here, the US seems to be fast turning into the USSR!

Some irony this! This is supposed to be a war to protect the freedom of the American people and in the name of Democracy. But the fist casualty seems to be these very things! Irony indeed!

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Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:52 am

Click here Roy

[Edited 2004-01-06 02:53:47]
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:00 pm

David B. said...

"Oh and the war was a stupid attempt by the righties?"

No, it worked...!


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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:03 pm

Worked?? LOL  Big thumbs up

Where are the WMDs??? Answer please...............

Why are US troops being blown up every day? Answer please.............


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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:06 pm

The WMD's are in Iraq. duh...

Troops get hurt. If you knew anything about what it is like being in a war, you would not have asked such a silly question.

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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:19 pm

OK wise guy.........Where are they  Nuts

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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Up

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:53 pm

Media uproar? Where? Its funny how you guys bash O'Reilly and Sean Hannity for not being journalists and being "biased," then this story breaks and all of a sudden they're called journalists again. There was very little mention of it on any kind of network television news. The only places that were really talking about it was Fox News and conservative talk radio--other than those sources, the story was conveniently swept under the rug. How much do you want to bet that if this was uttered by a Republican website about a Democratic candidate this story would be on network news faster than David b. to his fantasy world. We'd hear "Ohhh, the conservative are anti-Semites!" One question, where were Democrats to distance themselves from this hate speech? I did not see one Democrat come out and say "this was wrong."

What a classless party. I'll tell you, the Democratic party is running itself straight into the ground and the mindless followers like David b., Jaysit, and Alpha1 don't even realize it.
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:00 pm

Jcs...you're defending our side well, although I must admit that trying to defend the opposition side here would be much more challenging.
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:51 pm

Yes, Sleekjet, Jcs does kiss up to George Bush with the best of them, doesn't he?  Big grin

And face it: had such a story been about old Bill, Hannity and O'Reilley would have been leading the charge to publisize it. Yes, fair and balanced.

And Jcs, amazing you call ANYONE on here "mindless followers" when you're like a mice behind the Pied Piper Bush. You couldn't critisize the man if your life depended on it.  Laugh out loud
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:59 pm


And Jcs, amazing you call ANYONE on here "mindless followers" when you're like a mice behind the Pied Piper Bush. You couldn't critisize the man if your life depended on it.


Can I refer you to the Mexican immigration thread?
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:10 pm

Hitler?

Nah, try....



Much better...
 
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:11 pm

Bill O'Reilley is a journalist just like Jerry Springer is a journalist.
Make it a show with 5 second sound bites and flashy lights, and anyone with enough time on their hands will watch that garbage.

That movie was moronic as well, obviously just there to stir up all you right and left wing stalwharts, which it obviously did  Smile

You got one guy defending our invasion of a foreign country, and another making fun of that guy. All in the name of being "right"

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Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:25 pm


That Bush photo was humor, comparing the President of the United States to Adolph Hitler, is just simply wrong, Hitler, the person responsible for the deaths of millions, the man responsible for the attempted genocide of a race of people and they are attempting to draw comparisons to President Bush is just pure madness.
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Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:54 pm

I question the sanity and/or rationality of those who really think the two are comparable.

The true harm of crap like this is that completely ends up drowning out any meaningful debate about the Bush presidency. Virtually all of the foaming-at-the-mouth Bush haters seem incapable of expressing rational thoughts and resort to hyperbole such as this nonsense.

Because their views are so extreme and perverse, ordinary people cannot take them seriously. Since they are so vocal, meaningful debate is either completely obscured or becomes futile off the bat. In the end, this actually helps President Bush even when he is pushing a bad policy.

Finally all of the people who spend their time burning Bush in effigy, have probably never once protested the murderous regime of Saddam Hussein ever. If you're interested in how creative Saddam was at murdering his own people (in this case of one of his own soldiers who disagreed with him),

read this NYTimes article: | December 31, 2003
How Disappearance in ’84 Blighted Family in Iraq
By JOHN F. BURNS (NYT) News

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/31/international/middleeast/31SURV.html

The death of this man was recently broadcast on al-Jazeera.

Even comparing the US to pre-WW I Germany with the Kaiser is utterly ridiculous. The US not in throes of some ultranationalist movement. I would bet money that most Arabs in the US have it better than their brethern in France and other European countries with large Arab populations. The US took out a very bad dictator who either had WMD or really wanted everyone to think he did for 12 years.
 
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 3:04 pm

Ah, let 'em have their fun while they can.. They won't have any for at least the next 5 years.

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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:30 pm

N79969 wrote:
Finally all of the people who spend their time burning Bush in effigy, have probably never once protested the murderous regime of Saddam Hussein ever. If you're interested in how creative Saddam was at murdering his own people (in this case of one of his own soldiers who disagreed with him),
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Bad example since it was the Reagan/Bush (same old crew) admin. that supported Saddam FULLY when he was at his MOST murderous. Without that support, Iran would have creamed Saddam even without Ollie North and arms-for-hostages to them!
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:06 am

All those Bush supporters baying for this war probably didnt even know what Iraq was back in the 80s when the Grand ol' party and its Grand ol' leader were too busy making deals with Saddam Hussein. For that matter, neither did Dubya, so at least he has the advantage of ignorance on his side. Pity you cant say that about the rest of this White House.
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:21 am

jcs17, I also heard and saw the clip on scarborough country at 8mt. on msnbc.
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Up

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:10 am

jcs17, I also heard and saw the clip on scarborough country at 8mt. on msnbc.

Congratulations, your medal will be shipped to you via FedEx.

All those Bush supporters baying for this war probably didnt even know what Iraq was back in the 80s when the Grand ol' party and its Grand ol' leader were too busy making deals with Saddam Hussein. For that matter, neither did Dubya, so at least he has the advantage of ignorance on his side. Pity you cant say that about the rest of this White House.

Have you ever heard of a concept called "the lesser of two evils." Although I'm sure you probably believed that the Ayatollah represented a new, free beginning for Iran. I'm still waiting for the post that takes Truman down to the mat for supporting Joseph Stalin in WWII. Either way, you're just plain dumb or just plain hypocritical. Your arguements are so intellectually lazy...
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:20 am

Give the lesser of two evils arguments to the millions of the gassed Kurds, bombed out Shiites, and 1.5 million dead Iranians. You know, all those poor slaughtered sods you now claim to represent.

"Although I'm sure you probably believed that the Ayatollah represented a new, free beginning for Iran."

I'm sure that no one believes that one. Not even the murdered thousands at the hands of the Shah's Savak. However, you believe that the presence of the Ayatollah was grounds on which to support a far more murderous maniac. In essence what you're saying is that supporting Saddam Hussein's murderous regime was fully warranted and justified. Go sleep on that one.

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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:01 am

The media fell all over themselves during the 2000 campaign when they "thought" that a Bush TV spot featured/highlighted the word "rat" (I think that was the word) when referring to the Democrats.

NBC, ABC, et. al. all played it up on their respective Datelines and Nightlines showing it frame-by-frame in an attempt to discredit the Bush campaign.

Now these same shows barely give something that is truely garbage a mention. No Democratic candidate has yet distanced themselves from this despicable display.
 
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:13 am

"No Democratic candidate has yet distanced themselves from this despicable display."

Why should a Democratic candidate even respond to it, unless it emanated from the DNC or was paid for by their campaign dollars? It was a stupid video made by a private organization (that incidentally was never intended to be aired). Asking a Democratic candidate to distance himself/herself from it is like asking a mainstream Republican to denounce every claptrap that emanates from Fred Phelps' organization or other assorted right wing organizations. Hannity and O'Reilly need manure for their nightly schoolyard bullyfests and this video and discussions surrounding it are worthy only for their brand of reporting.
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:22 am

Oh Jaysit I guess CNN is any better? Did you see that (in the great words of Darrell Hammond/Chris Matthews on Saturday Night Live) media hoar Paula Zahn (oh wait, bad choice of words, thats offensive to hoars) in the interview with Christopher Reeve? She was so fake and phoney it was pathetic. I wonder how many times she practiced that "pained" and "compassionate" look in the mirror. The FACT is that FOX News is America's MOST WATCHED NEWS CHANNEL. You can't dispute that like you can the "Most Trusted" crap that they all claim. Sorry, but the majority of Americans perfer FOX's straight, cut the crap and fake compassion approach, plus the fact that they're ALWAYS a Conservative AND a Liberal whenever politics are being discussed. That's why CNN has withered into nothing and MSNBC sets a new ratings record when 10 people watch at once. PS I replied to the other thread but I've gotta give my friend ConcordeBoy the benefit a reply too.

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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:42 am

The FACT is that FOX News is America's MOST WATCHED NEWS CHANNEL.

That doesn't make it the most accurate or balanced.

media hoar Paula Zahn (oh wait, bad choice of words, thats offensive to hoars)

The word is WHORE. Maybe you should learn to spell before you start condemning news channels.
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:48 am

You don't have to spell whore correctly to condemn a news channel. Just don't watch it.

Oh, and Gore was America's most voted for candidate, but he didn't win..

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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:52 am

"Oh, and Gore was America's most voted for candidate, but he didn't win."

You just proved 777236ER's point.

Amen.
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:55 am

No problem......!

Doesn't change anything though does it... ?


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Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:55 am

Easy on L.1011, per another thread, he was in the national spelling bee!

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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:31 pm

At least Hilter served in the German army, and had military experience before he started his world conquest.
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:34 pm

Yea, at least .....  Confused

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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:36 pm

No but it helps ... I think ????
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:38 pm

Voodoo,

My example is right on...we are discussing the people who made this video. Don't confuse the issue. And please do not forget that France, Russia, and other countries armed Saddam to the teeth during the period you mention.

As hindsight is 20/20, I still think containing the Iranian Revolution was a laudable policy goal in the 1980s given the information we had.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:50 pm

N79969: Even comparing the US to pre-WW I Germany with the Kaiser is utterly ridiculous. The US not in throes of some ultranationalist movement.

Sorry, but it looks like it, talks like it, acts like it - so it apparently is a nationalist-chauvinist movement that´s in charge right now.

N79969: I would bet money that most Arabs in the US have it better than their brethern in France and other European countries with large Arab populations.

That´s a different aspect, and that´s why the comparison with the nazi era doesn´t fit. In the "Kaiserreich" there was no large-scale persecution of foreigners or other groups.

N79969: The US took out a very bad dictator who either had WMD or really wanted everyone to think he did for 12 years.

...and killed thousands of Iraquis in the process, also swaying a whole generation of Arabs and Muslims from being sceptically distant to "the west" over to being openly hostile to the USA, massively increasing the recruiting reservoir for any kind of terrorism.

Wow, what an achievement!
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:04 pm

N79969: And please do not forget that France, Russia, and other countries armed Saddam to the teeth during the period you mention.

Are you kidding? Britain provided production facilities for chemical weapons while the USA provided Anthrax and other "niceties". I´d be a bit more careful, there...
 
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:00 pm

great posting klaus!
makes it unecessary to ammend anything!
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RE: Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar

Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:48 pm

ah one thing regarding the "bush vs hitler" thing.
if germany had a new chancellor acting(including war in iraq for "humanitarian reasons") as unilaterally and all that as bush, the whole world would be screaming hitler2.
just a thought.
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