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Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:00 pm

In response to two certain threads, I'm starting this one. All of you who are sick of watching the ultra-liberals and ultra-conservatives on this site bitch at each other and generally foster an all around bad atmosphere in the site, check in here!

Seriously, all they do is argue. Debate is good, but looking at their typical postings, it's nothing more than Political Party diatribe/propaganda, conspiracy theories, and a general lack of tolerance for others' views.

"If you're a liberal, you're a pinko terrorist"

"If you're a conservative, you're a neo-nazi fascist"

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

So those of you who are moderate/centrists (be they moderate liberal or moderate conservative, or just plain center) make yourself known here.

You can be pro-gun control, but still anti-abortion. Or the opposite, or a Republican who hates/likes Bush, or a Democrat who likes/hates Bush, or WHATEVER. So long as you don't blindly follow a political party, then come on over. But if you're sick of listening to Superfly, Jcs17, Jaysit, or B757300 argue on and on with each other...come on over here.

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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:03 pm

OHhhh man, you are a crazy nut.
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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:16 pm

Call it sheer boredom, and being just plain sick and tired of watching the extremists fighting on the site.

Besides, it's an interesting little experiment. Can't wait to see how it pans out.

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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:21 pm

B4e...I'm In!! Glad someone said it because I was to getting sick of reading those threads. Bush that, Bush this. Liberals that, etc., etc., Glad to join!
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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:27 pm

Thank you for starting this thread so I didn't have too! It really is tough for those of us whose political leanings are in the gray area between liberal and conservative. People look at moderates as fence straddlers who can't make up their mind if they want to be a liberal or a conservative. Middle of the road should not be identified with being indecisive. It is trully possible to have feelings on both ends of the political spectrum, which end up balancing the scales right in the middle (or slightly to either side). One can be pro-choice, pro-death penality, pro-drug law reform, pro-immigration reform, anti-affirmative action, want a smaller government, a fair tax system, and have a severe distrust in the entire Department of Homeland Security. Some people wear their political label like a badge of honor, like they earned a merit badge from their political party. I pride myself on being an Independent, as I subscribe to no one party's platform, and have voted for Democratic candidates, Republican candidates, and Libertarian candidates in the past. Yes, I voted for Gore in 2000, not because of party reasons, but because I went for what I thought was the lesser of two evils. Bush to me came off during the 2000 campaign as a buffoon who was riding in on his daddy's coattails and name. Gore seemed to fit my beliefs better, so I voted for him.
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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:39 pm

My posts run the gamut....sometimes I come off as a staunch conservative and other times a bleeding-heart liberal. So many people develop opinions based on their party affiliation and rarely formulate their own opinions. There are too many issues that can't possibly be black and white. I hate generalizations.
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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:21 pm

Bush and the RNC bites!

The DNC sucks too! (for acting like eunichs and not going after Bush with a meat cleaver for all the crap he's gotten away with)

America is great! (and can be better and will be when Bush is gone!)

But the Death Penalty stays! (1st degree murder of one or more you get the chair! NO if, ands or buts! Including moms who kill their kids)

Finally, turn the Vatican into an X-rated adult theater!


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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:53 am

FINALLY. A thread for those of us with their heads scrwed on straight! Wondeful!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:03 am

I'm glad to see a thread like this over here!

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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:20 am

Here in the US, the Moderates are the most sought after politcal entity come election time. They make up the bulk of the swing voter. The Conservatives and Liberals do their best to woo the Moderate.

At this point I feel the GOP is doing a great job of bringing the Moderates over to the right in the booth. The DNC appears to be doing all it can to alienate itself from the rest of the country.

My opinion, that's all.
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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:18 pm

Amen to that first point Air2gxs. I've been waiting for some extremists to show up here and try to pander to the middle. Seems like two already have. I think they know who they are. Of course I'm going by their recent posts in some interesting political debates on other threads.

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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:25 pm

Please....Please.......let more politicians get some inkling how economic forces work!

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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:16 pm

Did I ever mention that I believe in every man's right to own a gun?

Every woman has a right to abortion?

John McCain is one of the people I admire most?

ps I started the other two threads.

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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:09 pm

What other threads?  Confused I must have "missed" them.  Big grin
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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:28 pm

One of my biggest problems with the two parties is that they each tend to hold positions that contradict other positions that they may have. Take the Democrats, for example (and I choose them because they are the most contradictory). On one hand, they are pro-environment, which means that saving living things is a priority for them. However, they are also pro-choice, which means saving living things is not a priority for them. They are pro-workers/unions, which means the "common man" is a priority for them, yet they are anti "big-business" which hurts the corporations that actually pay those workers, and so they are clearly not for the workers. They are for scientific research spending. But they'd rather use that money for hosts of uneccesary social programs, so they are not in favor of scientific research spending.

So, you get my point. The Republicans have similar contradictions also. I like to call myself a "line item" conservative, which means that I lean to the right, but I like to make up my mind issue by issue, which is really the only way for a rational person to approach things.

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RE: Moderates/Centrists Rant Here!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:42 pm

I'm what you'd call a conservative, the very 1st in my family of immigrants.

My beliefs, core or otherwise:
Limited government,
MY choices in life affect MY way of life,
Government's role is to protect the people not support the people,
Over one half of the population should not have the right to kill someone because that someone is inconvenient,
The State has the right to terminate a life if it has been determined through due process that that life is a menace to society,
The freedom of speech is the most important freedom we have as a society,
Your rights end where mine begin,
My rights end where yours begin,
I work to support myself and my family, not my neighbors. I give what I deem is enough to charity,
Taxes are good. They pay for essential services that we all use. Excessive taxes to pay for entitlements without proper controls are bad
2nd amendments rights have very little to do with self-defense and have everything to do with protection against a tyrannical State,
The responsible ownership of firearms is a protected right (see above)

I am not an extremist. I don't force my thoughts down others throats. I detest political discussion/debates/arguments. They go nowhere. You can not convince others to change what they believe.

I person has every right to disagree with our policies (see amendment 1) without being called a traitor. But, he does not have the right to undermine those policies without going through the proper process, which normally means an election.

Just my 2 cents.

Go ahead, you can't scare, hurt, embarrass, humble, degrade, or agitate me. I don't care what you think, just that you are allowed to think it and speak it.

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