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Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:14 am

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040128-094014-7323r.htm

Al-Mada's list cites a total of 46 individuals, companies and organizations inside and outside Iraq as receiving Saddam's oil bribes, including officials in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Sudan, China, Austria and France, as well as the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Communist Party, India's Congress Party and the Palestine Liberation Organization.

The oil ministry papers, described by the independent Baghdad newspaper al-Mada, are apparently authentic and will become the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council, the Independent reported Wednesday.

"I think the list is true," Naseer Chaderji, a governing council member, said. "I will demand an investigation. These people must be prosecuted."



Doesn't look good for France, does it? As the article also notes, oil runs thicker than blood.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:18 am

So there not being a valid reson for the war would not have been enough, or what?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:20 am

"Doesn't look good for France, does it?"

So, are you gonna invade it?

Honestly, after reading the topic of this thread, the only thing I was thinking about was the laugh it would make for. After reading the list of countries and organisations, I thought how convenient it was to include basically everyone "they" don't like on it.
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:24 am

No different than GE, Conoco and Halliburton's enormous infrastructure contracts in places like Syria and Iran.
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MD-90

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:27 am

I might add that as far as I´ve read there´s no mention of Chirac in this context. Not that he personally wouldn´t be corrupt enough; But insinuating that the official french government policy against the Iraq invasion was "bought" by Saddam is somewhat implausible in itself and without any base in fact unless you can bring some evidence.  Insane

The concept of the american policy against Iraq being "bought" by well-known interest groups has far more factual and circumstantial support. So I would tread lightly in this matter if I were you.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:38 am

Iraqi govt. papers: Saddam bribed Chirac

That's the headline of the article, Klaus.

You're right, I should've said that it doesn't look good for Chirac and his government, not France as a whole.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:53 am

sry but my brain is on "impossible to believe anything from the bush administration" mode.  Insane  Insane
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:59 am

my brain is on "impossible to believe anything from the bush administration" mode

Last I checked, The Washington Times was the source of this report, not the Bush Administration.

In fact, the only thing the White House said about it was the following:

A senior Bush administration official said Washington was aware of the reports but refused further comment.
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:54 am

Actually UPI is the source of this report, not the Times.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 9:30 am

sry but my brain is on "impossible to believe anything from the bush administration" mode

Espion007, thank you for providing us with the classic example of a closed minded liberal.

Only reason you won't believe it is because the report is something bad about one of the left's idols, Chirac. Of course, if it was about Bush, you'd believe it in a heartbeat.
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 9:34 am

"because the report is something bad about one of the left's idols, Chirac"

if you were not a "classic example of a closed minded neo-kon" you would actually know that chirac is a right wing politician and also belongs to a right wing party. of course to the current u.s. right wing, eu right wing politicians must look like left wing nuts, but that is another story.
fact is chirac is heavily opposed by every "left wing" person in europe.
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 9:45 am

If Chirac was an "idol of the left" then there must be a pic around showing B757300 on dinner table with Mao and Che Guevarra (not that those two ever met, but hey...).
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:04 am

Guys, the definition of left and right wings of poltics generally swings 180 out of phase, depending on which side of the pond you are on.


Hopefully Chriac accepting bribes will be investigated by the officials of his goverment but for some reason I doubt it.
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:08 am

In the article I´ve read (Der Spiegel) there was no mention of Chirac although they certainly wouldn´t have omitted him if there was actual evidence. I´d be a little more careful.
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:13 am

L-188: Guys, the definition of left and right wings of poltics generally swings 180 out of phase, depending on which side of the pond you are on.

No, it doesn´t. If it did, the american right wing would appear to be left-leaning to us. And that´s ... improbable to say the leastBig grin
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:17 am

Well, your right wing does seem left winging to us.

You left wing seems to be radically far left wing.
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Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:19 am

Which would constitute an offset shift, not a phase shift.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:22 am

ah ha.... Now I know why Dubya invaded Iraq. Saddam was giving oil away !!!
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:25 am

OK, fine, and offset shift,

But the point is that Chirac is not perceived as a right winger here.

But it is known that he has actively seeked to reduce America's influence and stature in the world.
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Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:30 am

Refusing american attempts at world domination fits the "right agenda" even better than the "left" one, if you´re looking at it from a non-american perspective!
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:53 am

Chirac has nothing to do with that! The bagdadi newspaper published a list of 200 names who supposedly received "Saddam's oil bribes" in 1998.
Four names of French citizen was published. They are:

Charles Pasqua, a former French minister.
Patrick Maugein, a business man
Michel Grimard, president of the association franco-arabe
Bernard Mérimée, a former diplomate

Those kind of post are caricatural and defamatory. Can we talk about French bashing?
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 12:17 pm

Chrisdigo, these are different papers.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:43 pm

Who is making these allegations? A group of individuals who depend on America for their daily bread and political power. Now THAT is a credible source!

BTW will there ever be an independent enquiry into the links between Haliburton and the Republican administration and whether this could have led to the war in Iraq and the illegal occupation? Guessed not!

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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:54 am

MD-90: these are different papers.

You cited an article from Washington Times. This same Washington Times based it's article from the Badgadi Newspaper Al-Mada.

As I said, Al-Mada released a list of 200 names and out of the 200 names, 4 are French citizen (cf above). The list doesn't contain the name of Chirac.

Even if Al-Mada allegations need further investigation, the title of the article from the Washington Times is defamatory: this is not less than manipulation.

I'm amazed how some of the US media are bought off and release deformed information. In this case it's not more to tease the anti French sentiment a little more...

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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:14 am

Isn´t the "reverend" Moon (owner of the Washington Times) a supporter of the republicans? Strange that such a weird "mishap" occurs during the ramp-up to the elections...
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:37 am

Strange that it does not mention anything about Schroeder or Chrétien having been bribed as well. Only Chirac. Which either means two things.
1 - Either Schroeder and Chrétien are just stupid, having skipped the opportunity to put I don't know how much money in their pocket;
2 - Or this story is pure crap.

Well, guess what: after giving it a whole lot of consideration, I think number 2 is the appropriate answer here. France bashing is not over.

This is just a pathetic attempt by a lunatic newspaper to divert public opinion from the fact that more and more US officials are starting to admit that there was no WMD in Iraq.
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:46 pm

This seems very very unlikely to me.

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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:54 pm

Indianguy, If you think the war in Iraq was Haliburtons idea you are dumber than I thought.

Can't we all get on with our lives? The war is over, Chirac showed the typical mainland Europe yellow streak we expected and in order to prevent the UN from becoming a pointless debating society, which it is anyway, we went to war. Its over, now we are establishing a new government. We will probably have to go in and oust this one in about 20 years but some short term stability in the region will be nice.

Can we give the "the war was wrong" threads a rest? This one is like all the others, the same tired arguments over and over and over.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:58 pm

Chirac showed the typical mainland Europe yellow streak we expected

Now lets not stereotype.

Spain, Poland, Denmark, and a few other Mainland European countries, have joined the fight to free and better the lives of the Iraqi people.

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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Fri Jan 30, 2004 4:05 pm

Startvalve: Can we give the "the war was wrong" threads a rest?

This thread is about a US media giving a biased, deformed and defamatory information. That's a brilliant example. In this case saying that "Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War". This is anti-French propaganda.

The media in the US? The 4th power? Yeah right.

L-188: Spain, Poland, Denmark, and a few other Mainland European countries, have joined the fight to free and better the lives of the Iraqi people.


Oh good! Well France, along with the US, prefered to fought terrorism in Afghanistan.

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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:31 am

Startvalve,

Welcome to my respected users list!
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:34 am

Oh my; The Bush War swindle has blown up already.

As much as I can understand your growing desperation, this is simply laughable!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:40 am

Can we give the "the war was wrong" threads a rest?

Never, becasue those of use who don't kiss Bush's rear end and think he did somethng great for the world won't let it rest-ever. I think it was wrong, and I will always think it was wrong.

I understand that probably causes you some grief thinking of all those jobs for American and British companies that could have been yours had you not pussied out when it came time to do something good for the world.

You mean, when they, and 95% of the rest of the world refuesed to invade a soverign nation that had not warred on them or us, and had offered no threats to them and us. You mean THAT "good" thing? Ah, I see.

 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:45 am

You really are concerned about ass kissing Alpha... why is that?

 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:46 am

Since you're the one that does it to GWB all the time on here, JeffM, you tell me?  Smile
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:46 am

OK, startvalve I see that your comments are always well documented.

1) Chirac is not in the list. The French politician in the list is Charles Pasqua, former "ministre de l'interieur" under the Chirac's govt. Of course he denies, but we'll see if received something.

2) I am really sorry you frogs were cut out of the rebuilding contracts.
I'm really sorry for you Yank, but your president has allowed France as well as Russia to take part of the reconstruction. I guess your favorite media (ie Fox News) doesn't say it too loud.

3) As for Aloges comment about if we are going to invade France... why not?

Just because your president, as much as I don't like him, is not as stupid as you.

 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:02 am

Sebolino,

Welcome to my respected users list!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:02 am

Just because your president, as much as I don't like him, is not as stupid as you.

That's debatable.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:14 am

95% of the rest of the world refuesed

What would a thread be without more of your pointless dribble and tired diatribes?
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:33 am

What would a thread be without more of your pointless dribble and tired diatribes?

ROTFL. You calling what I said "pointless", when you added nothing to the debate but hurl insults. At least I was discussing the issue, which is more than I can say for that pitiful little sentence you just put in.  Laugh out loud

If you disagree, tell us why, or are you out of ideas on the subject?
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:29 am

Yeah I wish I could be so dumb I could get an MBA from Yale, even with average grades. Then be so fucking stupid I could be allowed to fly jet fighters for the Texas Air National Guard. Then be sooooo fucking retarded I could own an oil company then a baseball team. Then omg could I possibly be of such substandard intelligence I could maybe get elected President, possibly for 2 terms?
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:38 am

It's called "connections", Startvalve, and that's what most of that is.
 
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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:32 am

Startvalve: Before you jump to silly conclusions

My conclusions are silly? The Washington Times is basing its article from an article of the newspaper Al-Mada.

Al-Mada gave a list of 200 names who supposedly received "Saddam's oil bribes" in 1998. Out of the 200 names, 4 names are of French citizen. The name Chirac doesn't appear on the original article!

Now, the Washington Times use this original article and title it "Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War".

This is what I call silly conclusion without any foundation! Is that a hard of a concept for you???? I reapeat myself 4 times already!!!!

Startvalve: if the article is so wrong prove it

Read above. But now, the Washington Times is realeasing an info without any proof! One more time should I say?

Startvalve: I am really sorry you frogs were cut out of the rebuilding contracts

We will leave to Halliburon and Co. the task to build in Irak a brand new and reliable Electric powerplant system. I bet that when they'll be finished it will be even more reliable that the one you got in the US! Well, Irak already seems to have even more reliable Medias now....  Insane

But don't be sad: us, the "Frogs" and Areva (www.areva.com), will probably ending up retrofiting the whole US electrical system in the near future.  Insane

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RE: Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:32 pm

Don't worry Algoes.

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