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Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:09 pm

It’s been almost 4 years since Al Gore was a candidate for the Presidency and the media will still take every opportunity to bash the man. The media has been beating up on Al Gore again but this time it’s for not endorsing Joe Leiberman. Joe Leiberman is a decent Senator and all but he is rivaling Al Sharpton and Dennis Kucinch in the polls. Al Gore endorsed the candidate that he liked the most, which was Howard Dean. The press began to dog out Howard Dean only for giving a spirited speech.
This is the Democratic primaries and Democratic voters are picking the candidate they feel will be the best candidate against the current regime in the White House. I don’t understand why the press is making voters feel guilty for not voting for Leiberman.
Maybe people just don’t like a man who builds his campaign around bashing his fellow Democratic candidates.

Back in 2000, the press focused its attention on the Bush/McCain show and the little coverage the Democrats received was countless bashing of Vice President Al Gore. Once Al Gore picked Joe Leiberman as his running mate, the press decided to draw distinctions between Al Gore and Joe Leiberman as if they were two different campaigns. Yet there coverage of Dick & Bush was positive despite their obvious shortcomings.

So what if Al Gore didn’t endorse Leiberman! One could argue that Gore should have endorsed Richard Gephardt. After all, they were elected to the house in the class of 1976. America’s Bi-Centennial election in which Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale were elected. Wesley Clark was his and Clinton’s General in Bosnia. John Edwards is a fellow Southerner from neighboring North Carolina. Al Gore had reasons to endorse all of the above.

Why can’t the press give Al Gore just a little credit for being the ONLY Presidential nominee of a major political party to pick a Jewish candidate?
After all, that was a huge gamble on his part and is a testament to Al Gore’s character. Yet few would ever look at it in that light.

I find it interesting that those who bash Gore yet praise Leiberman are people who wouldn’t vote for a Democrat at the Presidential level anyway.


I do have respect for Joe Leiberman but he is far from an angel. Yet the press treats him as if he’s some of infallible perfect Senator.
Why is this?













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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:41 pm

Lieberman is, on the whole, okay. But I still don't understand why he would curry favor with the family-values types by blaming the Columbine shootings on Marilyn Manson.
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:41 pm

We shouldnt.
Alls fair in love and war and politics. And Joe lost. Now its time for him to go away and focus on booting Dubya out of the White House since the lousy campaign he ran in 2000 helped the moron get into the White house in the first place.
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:33 pm

Getting the nod from Gore is the 'kiss of death' anyway. At least now he can lay claim to having failed all by himself. Look what Gore has done for Dean...
 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:41 pm


Al Gore destroyed his political career by choosing to side with Howard Dean, Al Gore simply endorsed Howard Dean because he was ahead in the polls & it looked like he just have received the Demorcratic nod.

By choosing to not endorse Lieberman it was sending out mixed signals to the voters, how could somebody one minute be your Vice President choice, & then the next minute you endorse a totally different candiate. Al Gore would have been wiser to stay quiet & wait, then endorse the Democratic canidate of choice.

Very interesting year, the Clintons were backing Clark, well he is in the bottom of the polls. Gore & Bradley endorsed Dean, bottom of the polls, what the hell is going on, doesn't an endorsement count for anything anymore.
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:58 am

Of course the Clintons are backing Clark..... they know he has no chance of winning and becoming a block to Hilarious come 2008.

Doesn't an endorsement count for anything anymore? Not from those people, with the exception of Bradley.
 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:25 am

Superfly,

Recent election history is that Lieberman held off entering the race until Gore decided to run or not... it appears he was giving Gore the respect a running mate should receive...But Gore, who selected Lieberman, as his V.P. left him swinging in the wind (which hurt Lieberman in lining up money, staff and support as his opponents were moving along at full speed) and then at a very important point in the campaign he endorses Dean.

Remenber that it was Gore's people who were calling the shots in 2000, not Lieberman's.

Funny, Superfly, you don't seem to have a problem with Gore and Tipper's views on the moral contents in records and movies?

One on the major factors I like about Lieberman is his views on movies and records and his other moderate views.....

I don't think that Gore, Lieberman, Dean or even GWB are hammered on more or less in the press..... You have to even out the Fox network with ABC.....
 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:45 am

Superfly

Actually, accrording to some exit polls, a large number of Democratic voters are voting for John Kerry just on his potential ability to defeat President Bush. And, if I may point out, John Kerry is actually the third choice, Howard Dean was the first choice, until people found out how whacky Dean was/is. Wesley Clark was the 2nd choice, until they found out how unqualified he was, so now we have John Kerry as the third option.

Kind of interesting, John Kerry is worth only about $600 million dollars is going to help out the comman man.

John Edwards, trial lawyer, has won over $200 million dollars for his clients is going to help out the comman man, & knows what it is like to be poor.
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:45 am

Let's face it - Al Gore is very easy to make fun of. His goofy envirnmentalism, his attempt at overturning the law in Florida, his support for Dean, who is as wacky as Gore was, he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

I'm sorry to see Lieberman go, in a way. I say "in a way" because there would also be downsides if he became president - i.e. the Arab world would fell convinced more than ever that "it is all an Israeli conspiracy and the Jews are behind it all." Yes, it's an ignorant point of view, but most Arabs are ignorant. But apart from that, he has fairly acceptable agenda, and probably be better than GW Bush overall.

The rest of the Democratic field is what you get if Beavis & Butthead had children (after having had a Gay marriage, of course).

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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:33 am

Cfalk:
but most Arabs are ignorant.

WHAT?!?!  Wow!



Gore...he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

I am sure you wish it turns out that way.





North county:
Funny, Superfly, you don't seem to have a problem with Gore and Tipper's views on the moral contents in records and movies?


And how much impact did Tipper Gore have under Clinton?  Insane


You have to even out the Fox network with ABC.....

Fox and ABC aren't complete opposites. Fox is biased and ABC is neutral.



All of this talk about Leiberman being a late entry is a weak argument. There have been many late entrys into Presidential races that generated lots of steam. Maybe people just aren't crazy about Leiberamn. Maybe voters like the other candidates better than Leiberman. Has anyone thought about that.  Insane
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:54 am

I didn't know Clinton did Tipper too!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:57 am

WHAT?!?!

Have you ever been to Arab countries and actually found out what they think of the rest of the world? I have. The Arab masses are generally uneducated and have had their brains filled with propaganda about non-Arab countries. Most of them believe that Israel plotted and executed 9/11. Sure you have some intelligent and well educated Arabs who know better, but they seem to be a small minority.

I am sure you wish it turns out that way.

And I am sure you'd be happy to know that you're right.

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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:58 am

Dude, ABC is totally left wing. Only public television is worse.

I might have voted for Lieberman.

I would think about voting for Kerry or Edwards. But the petulant, annoying little man from Vermont? No way. He is not presidential material. He's nothing more than a left wing protest candidate trying to steal the platform of a mainstream political party.

Democrats aren't stupid. That's why Kerry is winning.
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:53 am

Superfly - I was talking about what Gore did to Lieberman. Gore was WRONG...

Your response was that lots of late entries did well..... Your comment does not address the fact that what Gore did was WRONG in terms of how he treated Lieberman. What Gore did to Lieberman did not HELP Lieberman.

As to the Tipper Gore under Clinton comment.... does not address the fact that you have a problem with Lieberman's "moral" stands on Movies and records but not Gore's?
 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:48 am

"Kind of interesting, John Kerry is worth only about $600 million dollars is going to help out the comman man."

Kind of interesting, Bush, who came from millions, knows what its like to help the common man? Oh, I forgot, he doesn't even try.

"John Edwards, trial lawyer, has won over $200 million dollars for his clients is going to help out the comman man, & knows what it is like to be poor."

Bush, who actually LOST millions of dollars in his business (and has NEVER made $ 200 million for his clients, unless you count the giveaways to X, Y, and Z), knows... oh sorry, he doesnt know. He doesnt know about the poor, how to make money on his own, and now he doesnt even know where those WMDs are.

"The Arab masses are generally uneducated and have had their brains filled with propaganda about non-Arab countries. Most of them believe that Israel plotted and executed 9/11. Sure you have some intelligent and well educated Arabs who know better, but they seem to be a small minority."

LOL. Lets try an antidote to your voodoo anthropology (After having been entertained for months by your voodoo economics)...
The A.net masses are generally uneducated and have had their brains filled with propaganda against reality. Most of them believe that Iraq plotted and executed 9/11. Most of them believe that Iraq had WMDs. Sure you have some intelligent and well educated A.neters who know better, but they seem to be a small minority.
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:38 pm

Jaysit,

Did your keyboard just fart, or did you mean to say something intelligent in your last post?

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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:18 pm

Damn it, I hate making these kind of mistakes. I accidentally posted this is the wrong thread, but here goes.

Jaysit:
Excellent post!  Big thumbs up
Especially the A.net part!  Laugh out loud


North county:
Again, Al Gore did nothing WRONG!
This is just another excuss by the media to beat up on Al Gore. It would have been WRONG if Gore endorsed a candidate that LGW-Luftfahrtgesellschaft Walter (Germany)">HE didn't feel was the best candidate. Is Al Gore not allowed to make a decison based on his personal convictions?  Insane
For Christ sake, Leiberman was trailing Al Sharpton and Dennis Kucinich in some polls. An endorsement from Al Gore wouldn't have helped him that much.
Al Gore never made a big issue about Hollywood. That was just his wife making some noise just as Nancy Reagan did with he 'Just So No' campaign against drugs. Neither one was effective at all.


DeltaSFO:
Pat my friend, public television and NPR is the only mainstream outlet for in-depth information about what's going on. They are not left-wing. They are just reporting information with out sensationalism and biases.


L-188:
No no no, we can't be selective about our fruits & nuts.  Smile

Cfalk:
And I am sure you'd be happy to know that you're right.
Brilliant, just what I thought.

I'll get back to you on your last post.
I got to run to the store real quick.
Stay tuned.  Smile
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:13 am

Superfly used up the last of the "delusion" in his house on that last post... that is why he needed to run out to the store for some more....


 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:26 am

I'll get back to you on your last post.
I got to run to the store real quick.
Stay tuned.


Where's was that store, Superfly? Argentina? I'm still waiting.

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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:28 pm

And waiting........................................
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:53 pm

Cfalk:
I'll deal with you tomorrow.
My ladies needed 'special attention', so I couldn't give you the correct information in a timely manner.

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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:09 pm

Spending cheese Superfly?
 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:54 am

Oh where, Oh where could he be? (Superfly)
 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:44 am

North County:
I already responded to Cfalf in another thread..
Pay better attention next time.  Smile
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:23 am

We should feel sorry for him because he had joementum!
 
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RE: Why Should We Feel Sorry For Joe Lieberman?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:28 am

I remember the press making a big deal about him honoring Sabbath. Big frikkin deal the guy dosen't use a blender on a Friday night! The press talked as if he was so cute for doing this. I did recognize the destinctions the press was makeing between him and Al Gore.
I didn't like Gore or Bush that much but being a registered Republican, I vote Republican when in doubt.
I certainly won't be voting for Bush this time around. I just may vote for (gasp) Democrat.  Pissed
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