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How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:58 am

"The first version published of yesterday's Note included what was intended as a SATIRICAL report of a fictional ABC News/Washington Post poll. No such poll was conducted. The questions and results listed were not from a real poll.

But on this day when John Kerry has a chance for wins in Tennessee and/or Virginia that just might get the Southern monkey off of his back -- and take an opponent out of the race -- and after two full news cycles in which Kerry's transient upper hand over President Bush doesn't seem to have been removed by the "Meet" appearance -- on this day, let us tell you again what we tried to say yesterday.

Like every other institution, the Washington and political press corps operate with a good number of biases and predilections.

They include, but are not limited to, a near-universal shared sense that liberal political positions on social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion, and religion are the default, while more conservative positions are "conservative positions."

They include a belief that government is a mechanism to solve the nation's problems; that more taxes on corporations and the wealthy are good ways to cut the deficit and raise money for social spending and don't have a negative affect on economic growth; and that emotional examples of suffering (provided by unions or consumer groups) are good ways to illustrate economic statistic stories.

More systematically, the press believes that fluid narratives in coverage are better than static storylines; that new things are more interesting than old things; that close races are preferable to loose ones; and that incumbents are destined for dethroning, somehow.

The press, by and large, does not accept President Bush's justifications for the Iraq war -- in any of its WMD, imminent threat, or evil-doer formulations. It does not understand how educated, sensible people could possibly be wary of multilateral institutions or friendly, sophisticated European allies.

It does not accept the proposition that the Bush tax cuts helped the economy by stimulating summer spending.

It remains fixated on the unemployment rate.

It believes President Bush is "walking a fine line" with regards to the gay marriage issue, choosing between "tolerance" and his "right-wing base."

It still has a hard time understanding how, despite the drumbeat of conservative grass-top complaints about overspending and deficits, President Bush's base remains extremely and loyally devoted to him -- and it looks for every opportunity to find cracks in that base.

Of course, the swirling Joe Wilson and National Guard stories play right to the press's scandal bias -- not to mention the bias towards process stories (grand juries produce ENDLESS process!).

The worldview of the dominant media can be seen in every frame of video and every print word choice that is currently being produced about the presidential race.

That means the President's communications advisers have a choice:

Try to change the storyline and the press' attitude, or try to win this election without changing them."

Rest of the article can be found here
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Nah, no liberal bias in the U.S. media. It is all made up by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Of course, those who believe that drink more Koolaid than the Deaniacs.
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:06 am

Those are all very valid points for your argument, but I ask of you this: How much of the stuff coming from FOX NEWS is actually news? I have seen stories on CNN that lean very strongly to the right, as well as left. Fair and Balanced? You decide.

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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:24 am

Any liberal bias you see in the media will run no further than the extent that the media's megacorporate owners wil allow it.

Liberal bias infuriates people and sells papers but, at the end of the day, these papers (and TV/radio stations) are governed by very conservative boards of directors. Think about it.
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:25 am

Fair and Balanced they are not.
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:34 am

Same old story... Bad news about Dubya is from the Liberal media. Face it if the Liberal media would ignore the "no WMD in Iraq" issue Dubya wouldn't be doing so bad. But I guess they report it because they are liberals ??? Just like reporting American deaths in Iraq is deliberately making the war look bad. If dubya looses in Nov. it will be the liberals fault right ???I can here the whinning now ........
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:40 am

Same old story... Bad news about Dubya is from the Liberal media. Face it if the Liberal media would ignore the "no WMD in Iraq" issue Dubya wouldn't be doing so bad. But I guess they report it because they are liberals ??? Just like reporting American deaths in Iraq is deliberately making the war look bad. If dubya looses in Nov. it will be the liberals fault right ???I can here the whinning now ........

What do you suggest that we do? NOT report the news? That will be great. I wonder what it would look like: "Today in Iraq no lives were lost when no car bombs exploded in the city center of Basra." Fair and balanced reporting right there.  Yeah sure

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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:44 am

"Talk to me, Goose..."
 
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:52 am

OOH OH NO! NOT CRONKITE! a.. oh wait, didn't he RETIRE some years back? I do believe that it can't be said whether or not he reports to the left or right, as he doesn't even report at all. Sorry man, that article is about twenty years to late.

Besides, it all just sounds like some whiner complaining about something that most people should find insignificant.

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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:55 am

OOH OH NO! NOT CRONKITE! a.. oh wait, didn't he RETIRE some years back? I do believe that it can't be said whether or not he reports to the left or right, as he doesn't even report at all. Sorry man, that article is about twenty years to late.

It's obvious you didn't read the article. Oh well.....
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:57 am

Yeah, of course the medias are biased. Take it from B757300, a man who read the very serious Sunday Mirror on a regular basis...
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:06 am

Incidentally, I looked up the definition of "liberal" in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for "liberal" as "progressive," "broad-minded," "unprejudiced," "beneficent." The antonyms it offered: "reactionary" and "intolerant."
-Walter Cronkite

lib·er·al
(click to hear the word) (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.

Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.


Isn't it funny how both Cronkite's definition and the dictionary definition are pretty closely related?

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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:39 am

Funny how even a dictionary in this day and age can be so wrong.
 
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:49 am

And how, might I ask, is a dictionary wrong, Jeff? Is that even possible?

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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:51 am

of the ideas and behavior of others

Tell that to any christian
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:56 am

of course it's possible...

here, according to Merriam-Webster...

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=liberal&x=11&y=11
 
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:00 pm

Jeff, I hope that you realize that your definition of the word Liberal and my definition of the word Liberal are exactly the same, just in different order?

Might be good to have another look-see.

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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:14 pm

The New York Times, the most influential newspaper in the entire world, has an EXTREMELY liberal owner. And while there is diversity of color, sex, and sexual orientation in many newsrooms, too often there isn't very much diversity of opinion.

You can't defend liberal bias in the media until you read Bernie Goldberg's Bias and optionally the sequel, Arrogance.
 
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:50 pm

I was referring to the "lacking moral restraint ", "not bound by authoritarianism", and "marked by generosity" portions....

Of course liberals lack moral restraint... {no example given...too obvious..}

they obviously are not bound by authoritarianism, just look at the Supremes...and they way they change the rules in the middle of things.

Marked by generosity? Sure, just as soon as we raise the taxes....will give those people without, more of your money....
 
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:53 pm

You cannot equate the word "Liberal" in a dictionary the political agenda. Communists always called themselves "democratic republics", but it did not make it true. It's just a convenient label. I find political liberals to be no more or less bigoted, close-minded or prejudiced than conservatives, generally speaking.

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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:59 pm

Now now B757300....I expected more of you -- like the article to be from the Sunday Mirror.

And how, might I ask, is a dictionary wrong, Jeff? Is that even possible?

Look up the word terrorism in a dictionary. There is the dictionary meaning, or the new American government meaning which goes along the lines of "You are either with us or against us -- and if you are against my plans to do what I like, when I like and wherever I like, you will be either branded a terrorist, or a terrorist sympathiser at the very least".
 
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:00 pm

Well the latest lable is "progressives"

Apparently "Liberal" has too much of a negative meaning the in the poltical arena.

So a lot of democrat boosters are using the "progressive" label now, same S#!^ different name I guess.
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RE: How The Media Really Works

Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:45 pm

Look up the word terrorism in a dictionary. There is the dictionary meaning, or the new American government meaning which goes along the lines of "You are either with us or against us -- and if you are against my plans to do what I like, when I like and wherever I like, you will be either branded a terrorist, or a terrorist sympathiser at the very least".

That would mean that the Government definition is Incorrect, not the dictionary.

Apparently "Liberal" has too much of a negative meaning the in the poltical arena.

I'd be proud to run as a liberal. Probably wouldn't get much votes, but at least I'd be proud.

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