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Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:06 am

If John Kerry wins the democratic leadership, which looks more and more likely all the time, who do you think he will select as his running mate in the federal election?
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:05 am

It's going to be someone from either the South or the Midwest. So more than likely, it will probably be one of the following:

Wesley Clark
John Edwards
Max Cleland (Former Senator from Georgia)
Richard Gephardt
Tom Harkin

 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:26 am

Wesley Clark- Maybe but Clark is a Clinton boy and Kerry might want to avoid any close ties to the Clintons

John Edwards- Has said he doesn't want the VP job

Max Cleland- Lost in 2002 due to very liberal voting record. If Kerry wants to stand a prayer, he will not pick someone who is as far to the left as Kerry himself is. Also, don't forget that Cleland's injuries in Vietnam were not from enemy fire. He accidentally fragged himself with a grenade.

Richard Gephardt- Is retiring from public service

Tom Harkin- Possibility but two Senators on the ticket?
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I would take a look at some Democrat governors of traditional swing states as possible running mates for Kerry. The only one that can't run would be the governor of Michigan as she is not a natural born U.S. citizen.
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:56 am

One name I saw mentioned was Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, as a Midwest draw. I think it was in USA Today that says Kerry needs to get a "solid Midwest" more than he needs to break the "solid South". I'm not sure I agree that a Midwesterner is needed. With the economy still in a slump in Midwest states like Ohio, Michigan and Illinois, that alone may swing those states to Kerry.

I still think Kerry has enough pull in the Midwest to win without a Midwest candidate. I think it will be John Edwards. He's younger than Clark, he's more charismatic and more consistent than Clark has shown to be. And I think he can help in the South more than Clark can.

I still put my money on Kerry/Edwards. And, remember, in 2000, the race hung on southern, not midwestern states. I think this election will be another nail-biter, and I think Edwards COULD help Kerry carry a few more Southern states, and swing the election to the Democrats.

The one wild card, amazingly, that I'm wondering about is California. Will Ahnold's popularity translate into helping Bush win California? If it does, Bush will win. Any thoughts on that?
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:04 pm

I really hope it will be GWB !

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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:09 pm

Leviticus, is that the best you could do? Maybe you have something important to say on the topic. But it doesn't look like it.  Smile
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:12 pm

I think that Kerry will go with either Edwards or Dean - Dean, as far as I understand, have been very good at using the web to promote his campaign & raising money there, and Kerry is going to need someone who can attract the younger voters.

Either that, or it'll be Edwards, who seems to be the runner-up in the elections. Clark is a long shot, though he could pull some more military votes (though I think Kerry might be able to take them in, owing to his Vetnam carreer).

As for Kahlewfourneea, I don't think that Arnie is going to pull that many votes for Bush. He may have won the recall, but he was running as a neutral candidate, ie. neither a repub or a democrat, and that could have swung some democratic voters for him.

Btw, do I remember this correct, that due to some changed voting rules (or something like that), Bush will only need the states he won (or in Floridas case: was given) in 2000, to win by a long shot? I seem to remember that the states that Gore won have lost some of their electoral votes.
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:13 pm

The one wild card, amazingly, that I'm wondering about is California. Will Ahnold's popularity translate into helping Bush win California? If it does, Bush will win. Any thoughts on that?

I'm not sure how much of a chance Bush has in California but at the very least, Gov. Schwarzenegger might tilt the state where it is "in play". Before Arnold became governor, the Democrats would have taken California as a sure win. That may no longer be the case and it could force the Democrats to spend money there thus draining money from other states.

Right now, it's all a big ??? as to who will win in November. A lot can happen on all sides between now and November.
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:13 pm

Leviticus....I thought it was funny as hell!

Although, Edwards said he doesn't wanna be the Veep....he will be!

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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:17 pm

CPH-R, Dean has no shot. Clinton hit exactly the right buttons when he picked Gore in 1992, and defied the "balanced ticket" strategy that most candidates ascribe to. But Dean obviously doesn't have the pull to attract voters outside the Northeast. And his blowups worry people. Edwards, on the other hand, despite being a lawyer (an obvious drawback), is young; he's energetic; he's an attractive figure to many voters, and he's a future of the Democrats in the south.

Dean was either the nominee or nothing. He's history.
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:18 pm

Btw, do I remember this correct, that due to some changed voting rules (or something like that), Bush will only need the states he won (or in Floridas case: was given) in 2000, to win by a long shot? I seem to remember that the states that Gore won have lost some of their electoral votes.

Yes, several states have different numbers of electoral votes this time around due to the census and population shifts. California lost a few, Texas gained 2, I believe Utah gained 2 as well, Florida 1 or 2, and two states in the Midwest gained a couple.

I read somewhere that if the 2000 election were held now, with each candidate winning the same states, Bush would end up close to 280 electoral votes and Gore around 255.
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:22 pm

The theory about why, Clarke and Gephart where so quick to endorse Kerry is that they too where interested in the VP job.
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:35 pm

Well, L-188, most presidential candidates, whatever their political leanings, are a bit more calculating as to who they pick. It won't matter who dropped out and endorsed him first. It will come down to who he feels will help him win the election, and I think that will be Edwards.
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:06 pm

"As for Kahlewfourneea, I don't think that Arnie is going to pull that many votes for Bush. He may have won the recall, but he was running as a neutral candidate, ie. neither a repub or a democrat, and that could have swung some democratic voters for him."

'You mean Kully-fornia'...yup the Guvenator was strategically place here to give Bush a chance...but this may back fire...this is such a anti-Bush state that Bush bashing is quite cliche at social events (except in Riverside and parts or Orange County and San Diego).

If Bush is smart (which he isn't) he'll kick Cheney to the curb now..and get some one who can compete against Edwards or anyone Kerry selects.

A Cheney vs Edwards debate will look tragically like an angry,constipated old man trying to keep up with a whiz kid!

Why does Cheney always look so angry? Does he have hemmeroids?

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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:13 pm

B757300, thanks for clearing that up

BN747, I doubt that Cheney will get the boot - especially since I can't see who would replace him. As for why he looks so upset, perhaps it's because Halliburton keeps getting negative press  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:16 pm

It won't be Dean. Apparently he and Kerry detest one another, and Dean would not add much: two Northeast liberals on the same ticket...?

Edwards continues to deny interest, but you can't seriously run for President and express interest in the VP slot at the same time. Only time will tell what his true intentions are. He would probably be the strongest VP nominee, but he may also wait for another run in 4 or 8 years. He's young and has the time.

Clark is a Clinton creation and would probably not fit in well with the Kerry team, especially after Kerry fired Gore's manager, Chris Lehane. There's a lot of speculation flying around that the Clintons want Kerry to lose this year, hence the Clark infidelity comment, so Hillary can run in 2008. Who knows... In any case, Clark has proven to be politically inept and gaffe-prone. His military credentials didn't carry him far and would be redundant on a Kerry ticket. I think Kerry can find someone much stronger.

One person who's getting a fair amount of talk time is New Mexico Governor and former Clinton Energy Sec. Bill Richardson, who is a Hispanic and a political moderate. He'd bring some balance to the ticket and could help deliver a few western states, but he doesn't have much national presence.

I don't find Cheney angry at all. He usually comes off as soft-spoken, careful, and calm in speaking experiences, whatever one thinks of his political record. I think GW could have found a much more compelling VP candidate, but it would be politically risky to jettison Cheney at this relatively late date.

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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:36 pm

I read somewhere that if the 2000 election were held now, with each candidate winning the same states, Bush would end up close to 280 electoral votes and Gore around 255

Yep,it was in the Economist I think.Even more reason for Kerry to run with Edwards IMO.
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:30 am

One of the more interesting suggestions that I've seen was Senator Bayh of Indiana...they say that he could put Kerry over the top in Midwest swing states like IN.
Edwards won't help Kerry in the south....Edwards won't even help win North Carolina. As much as I like the guy, there are other candidates that could bring in more votes.

I like Edwards though...I think that a Kerry/Edwards ticket could ultimately win. The folks divided between Kerry and Edwards in some of these primary states could have the best of both worlds.
 
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RE: Kerry's Running Mate

Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:25 am

There has been a TON of speculation on this over on the John Kerry forum. Let me illuminate the options that have been discussed.

  • Gen. Wesley Clark - After the General's endorsement of Kerry, a flood of Clark supporters came into the Kerry forum to extend their support. The two men get along great with each other, and sort of help to complement each other as well. Although Clark may or may not help in the south, he does have experience going from him. If Bush wanted to criticise Kerry for being weak on National Security, he surely wouldn't be able to do that easily with Wes Clark on the ticket as well. Clark has shown to be able to work out agreements between countries as well, which means he, as VP, could go on peacekeeping and goodwill missions to other nations, or handle the country while Kerry does so. He's perfect to step in as president should anything ever happen to Kerry. However, some feel that maybe he's better placed in a cabinet position such as Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State.


  • John Edwards - People just like the guy though there are some doubts about his true integrity. Probably because he was a lawyer and some question his honesty over that. Nevertheless, he is more outgoing, charismatic, and energetic than Kerry, and also hails from the south. He completes Kerry where Kerry is weak. But there remain doubts about just how able he is to bring southern states to the blue side. He's only won one southern primary, and there's no gaurantee that he'll even bring North Carolina, his home state. Polls in NC show Bush winning in a potential head-to-head matchup with Edwards. Not good. But people like his energy and that might make the difference.


  • Bill Richardson - New Mexico governorr, people suggest he may carry some western states. Despite that, he has been asked numerous times if he'd accept a VP nod and he has flat out refused at times, insisting that he wants to remain in New Mexico for his constituents and would not consider anything else. But other times he's wavered. So who knows.


  • Evan Bayh - Some suggest he could carry Indiana. The only problem is that he's not exactly exciting as a VP. But he is populr in Indiana, but the odds are against such a republican state going democratic this year. A risky choice.


  • Dick Gephardt - Would carry Missouri without question. We need Missouri to win. But some don't consider him energetic enough. Old washington democrat and somewhat out of touch. I don't agree, but that's what some people are concerned about.


  • Bob Graham - Some say he could carry Florida. I don't think he could. He also has some serious health problems. He's 67, just had heart surgery, and outside of florida, isn't exactly viewed as exciting by any stretch. A gamble.


  • Mary Landreiu - Could carry Louisiana, but some concerns whether voters would go for a female VP, and also some concerns about alleged ties to the mafia in her family history.


  • John Breaux - Could also carry Lousiana, but again, he's older, retirement age, and may not spur excitement on the campaign trail.


  • Howard Dean - Longshot chance but still possible. Alo of drawbacks. Dean has burned some bridges with Kerry and with the Democratic party in general, and also has the disadvantage of also being a northeasterner. If he were on the ticket, it'd be a strictly "yankee" ticket and that probably wouldn't help. But it'd bring the devout deaniacs on board at least.



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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:41 am

    Alpha1,

    if you read some of my previous posts on threads related to Gov. Arnold, I addressed the California problem for the Dems several months ago. IMO it's not just whether or not the GOP can win the state, it's how much of an impact Arnold causes the state to be "in play".

    If the Dem's have to spend time and money in California, it's time and money that allow GWB to focus elsewhere while the Dem's have to reinforce their flank. Obviously without CA's electoral votes, there is absolutely no way Kerry wins.

    If in fact, CA does come into play, then I think you may see the Dems pick Sen. Feinstein which would go a long way towards ensuring that Kerry carries CA and it gives him a female face that would attract women across the country. Nacy Pelosi could also do the same, but I wonder whether she'd be willing to give up the democratic leadership position in the House.

    If I were Kerry, I'd try to bring some ethnic or gender diversity to the ticket as a foil against the two white men image that a GWB / Cheney ticket bring. Also a female VP that is anyone other than HRC would allow Kerry to clearly show that he's not under the Clinton's thumb. Assuming Kerry wins with a woman VP, she (this woman VP) immediately becomes the presumptive nominee for the next democratic presidential nomination.

    I think that there are many within the democratic party that would very much like to avoid a HRC for President run because it might be an absolute disaster. This might give them long-term cover.
     
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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:59 am

    Senator Breaux from Louisana could be a nice fit with John Kerry, Senator is a conservative Senator and has strong roots from the south. It would create some balance with John Kerry who is liberal.

    The person who gets the VP nod will probably be somebody that is not in the media spotlight right now.

    There has been some talk of Bill Richardson, not sure if he would accept the nod.

    General Clark, John Edwards, & Howard Dean bring nothing to the table, in fact, if any of these three were selected, you would see a guarantee that President Bush would be re-elected.

    Edwards comes off very good on camera, but he is much to young to be a Vice President, at several of the debates, he made a couple of errors where somebody with more experience would have been able to hide the error. Cheney would squash Edwards.





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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:20 am

    Edwards comes off very good on camera, but he is much to young to be a Vice President


    Uhm, he's 50 years old. lol

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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:36 am

    I juuussstt have that funny feeling that Hilary's just waiting in the wings.....  Big grin
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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:20 pm

    If the Dem's have to spend time and money in California, it's time and money that allow GWB to focus elsewhere while the Dem's have to reinforce their flank.

    Excellent point, my man. Outstanding observation. I think Kerry will spend a lot of early time in California, and if it looks safe, he won't ignore it, obviously, but he will be able to focus on the South and Midwest, where, I think, the race will be won or lost, as usual. I personally think California is firmly in the Democratic camp, but Schwarznegger's popularity could translate into votes for Bush if Bush is smart to try and use him to put CA in play.

    As for a gender/ethnic candidate, like Feinstein or Richardson, it risks alienating center-right voters who aren't thrilled with Bush, but still might be uncomfortable with a woman/minority Veep candidate. I know, it's sad, but it's still true. Which is another reason why I don't think Bush, if he dumped Cheney, would dare take Condi Rice, because it would drive off white conservative males in droves. There's still a problem with having anything but a white male running for President/Veep, and I hope that someone is successful with a woman/minority candidate in the near future.

    General Clark, John Edwards, & Howard Dean bring nothing to the table, in fact, if any of these three were selected, you would see a guarantee that President Bush would be re-elected.

    I have to agree about Dean on that point. I am unsure if Clark would be a positive or a negative at this point. I totally disagree with your opinion on Edwards, however. His strong showing tonight in Wisconsin shows he has some appeal outside the South, and I think that would be a boost to Kerry, not only in the South now, but in the Midwest. I sitlll think, right now, a Kerry/Edwards tickets would be the strongest challenge to Bush/Cheney.

    I juuussstt have that funny feeling that Hilary's just waiting in the wings.....

    If this had been a wide-open free-for-all, as I thought a couple months back it might be, I would have agreed with you. Had no one emerged from the pack, which obviously, Kerry has done, then Hillary would have been a possible candidate in a brokered convention to take on Bush.

    As for the notion, floated by some conservatives, that The Clintons are hoping the Dem candidate loses this year, they're just nuts. One thing Democrats seem bent on, with a passion that doesn't show up in the Democratic camp too often, is a desire to do one thing-get George Bush out of the White House. The Clintons are no exception. If such idiocy were true, their "man", Clark, would not have endoresed John Kerry last week.

     
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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:55 pm

    B757300:
    I thought you followed politics closer than that, you are WAY OFF the mark!

    California GAINED 1 seat, the midwest all LOST seats. Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Ohio and Mississippi all lost seats. Georgia, Florida and Texas gained two, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and California gained 1 seat.

    Max Cleland's voting record was conservative and closer to Kay Bailey Hutchinson's than John Kerry. That awful prick Saxby Shameless ran ads with a picture Senator Cleland pasted next to Osama BinLaden. Shameless painted Senator Cleland (a decorated War hero) as a terrorist sympathizer just because he wanted workers in to be Unionized in Homeland Security.
    Diebodt Systems also ran the voting machines in Georgia. There are doubts as to wheather or not Cleland really lost or not.
    Non the less, that is baggage Kerry doesn't want.

    John Edwards is Kerry's best pick. Evan Byah may be good and might deliver Indiana but I doubt he is known well in the Deep South to make the race competative down there.
    I personally like Mary Landrieu but many voters on the right are still afraid of a woman that close to the Presidency.
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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:48 am

    I disagree with picking John Edwards.

    People in the south are not as happy with him as you think. Take, for example, his approval rating in his home state of North Carolina: 37%.

    Hed-to-head polls in NC of Edwards vs. Bush show bush winning in a landslide. Voters in Louisiana apparently aren't happy with him either. Edwards also single-handedly blocked the HEROES bill that would have deferred college loan payments for active troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Because of that, thousands of military personnel still have to mail payments back home from Baghdad.

    He's not as well liked. He's good for putting on a show, but underneat that, alot of people don't like him.

    Kerry would do well to not pick Edwards. Or Bayh for that matter. Bayh is boring and also not as well respected as people think.
     
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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:11 am

    Personally I think

    John Edwards would be a mistake, as the GOP would play up and demonize his trial lawyer status, just like the Dems are demonizing Halliburton-Cheney.

    Bob Graham, other than age could be a good choice. He adds gravitas, was against the war, and was very popular in Florida, may force the Republicans to work in a state they thought was safe.

    Bill Richardson Although he says he doesn't want it, he would be another good choice, Hispanic and from the West.

    Howard Dean, very, very, bad choice, his hot-head persona, deserved or not, would sink Kerry's campaign.

    Max Cleland could be another good choice, a conservative democrat and from Dixie, it would be hard for Cheney to debate a triple-amputee on the merits of war. But, while it may not be politically incorrect, and since his triple-amputee status has no effect on his mind it shouldn't make a difference, I wonder if people are ready for someone like that a heartbeat away from the presidency. FDR went to great lengths to hide his infirmity and could stand (aided) and even walk a bit with braces. So that is a different situation.

    I don't think Ahrnold will really have much of an effect in CA one way or another, for one, he is a fairly liberal Republican, - having Pataki as Gov, and Giuliani as mayor didn't do much for Bush in 2000 in NY. It's a similar situation in CA.
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    Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:50 pm

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    RE: Kerry's Running Mate

    Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:20 pm

    Linford Christie, Ben Johnson or Steve Coe  Smile
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