airmale
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Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:10 pm

The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus:

“…and the swine, as he divideth the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.” (Leviticus chapter 11 verse 7 and 8)

Pork is also prohibited in the book of Deuteronomy:

“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.” (Deuteronomy chapter 14 verse 8)

A similar prohibition is repeated in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

So why do Christians eat it?

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:14 pm

So why do Christians eat it?

Because it tastes good!
 
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:17 pm

Why do 'Christians' do allot of things forbidden in the bible?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:20 pm

Airmale, that's the old testament. There's a verse in the new testament that says animals are all God's creations, and none of them are "dirty". There are lots of laws in the old testament that are followed by the Jews that we don't have to, such as circumcision.
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:21 pm

I don't think the men that wrote that ever had a good a good chop, or peppered bacon...

KROC hit the nail on the head, Christians aren't "allowed" to do a lot of shit in the bible, so the question becomes is the Bible a guide, or shall it be understood as absolute law?

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:23 pm

It depends on how convenient it is.

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:28 pm

Maybe because a lot of contents of ancient sources like the Bible have to be interpreted within the historical context of the time?

With the invention of modern pharmacological inventions, a cooling chain between butcher and private concumer, the danger to get sick from "unclean swine" has somewhat diminished, wouldn't you think so?

Your example only goes to show that you need more than mere reading abilities to understand religious documents, what you also need is the intelligence and knowledge to interpret what your eyes can see.


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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:31 pm

Maybe because a lot of contents of ancient sources like the Bible have to be interpreted within the historical context of the time?

With the invention of modern pharmacological inventions, a cooling chain between butcher and private concumer, the danger to get sick from "unclean swine" has somewhat diminished, wouldn't you think so?

Your example only goes to show that you need more than mere reading abilities to understand religious documents, what you also need is the intelligence and knowledge to interpret what your eyes can see.


And your example only goes to show what happens when people don't read other posts (and find out that pork isn't forbidden anymore).
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:41 pm

Well,
Dear Marco maybe it just took me a little longer to write my post, because I have to work seriously at the same time? Maybe this time span was long enough for someother folks to make their posts?

Just goes to show that making assumptions can make an ASS out of U and sometimes also MEBig grin
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:03 am

I think I remember it sez somewhere in the Bible that shellfish are forbidden too, but I like lobster also. Regards...Jack
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:05 am

In the New Testament, according to Acts:

10:11 He saw heaven opened and a certain container descending to him, like a great sheet let down by four corners on the earth, 10:12 in which were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild animals, reptiles, and birds of the sky. 10:13 A voice came to him, "Rise, Peter, kill and eat!"

10:14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."

10:15 A voice came to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed, you must not call unclean." 10:16 This was done three times, and immediately the vessel was received up into heaven.

To answer the question, Christ did away with the Levitical covenant with the New covenant.

The Law convicts the heart, those who want a relationship with God can now do so through Christ.

Hope this helps...

God bless,

- Jeff

[Edited 2004-02-19 16:07:05]
 
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:12 am

By the way,

Excellent question Airmale !

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:35 am

Airmale, meat processing has come a long way since then. Pork is clean and safe to eat now. Its also damn tasty.
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:41 am

I like my pork clean, safe and tasty as well. But it has to make over 100 thousand dollars a year for me to give it a shot.

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:48 am

I prefer getting a hot beef injection instead of a pork sword any day.

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:56 am

A good intro to kosher dietary laws: http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:38 am

Well,
Dear Marco maybe it just took me a little longer to write my post, because I have to work seriously at the same time? Maybe this time span was long enough for someother folks to make their posts?

Just goes to show that making assumptions can make an ASS out of U and sometimes also ME.


Anyway you started a debate on theology (irrelevant), and your info was wrong, so if you're confused about who the ass is, think again.
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:46 am

Well thank god for the Acts of the Apostles. Can you imagine not having the game of football (aka pigskin).
 
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:59 am

Well Marco, if it makes you feel better to call someone on the internet the Assmeister, feel free to do so. Feels good to be awarded this title on an internet board by someone totally irrelevant to my life. Big grin

Have a nice evening and stay as smart as you are.  Smile
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:01 am

Hi there,
Excellent question Airmale. If both the OT and NT are from
G-d Almighty. Why does G-d change his mind about what's
pure and what's not, (eg. pork)? Jesus, as far as I have
learned, didn't come to destroy the law or change it
(taken from his own words).
Even Muslims follow same dietary laws as in the OT. makes
me think 2 against 1. In which case I would believe pork is
still (impure) unhealthy (proven by modern medicine also btw).

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:14 am

Airmale asks a legit question and Airplay has to come along and screw things up. If you have nothing intelligent to say Airplay, you know what to do.

Screw things up? I don't think I stopped you from expressing your views on this forum. If you don't like my statement, too bad, but don't try to accuse me of "screwing" anything up.

Besides, doesn't the bible teach you to hate the sin but love the sinner? Oh..I guess you only read the parts that you like Marco....

Christians are cleaner and more desirable company then some Canadians.

At' a boy. Lash out at a country based on my statements about religion....

Just ask any Lion from the Roman Empire times. They prefer the taste of Christian over pork any day!

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:27 am

Advancedkid:

God knew from the beginning that man could not be as holy as He is. Instead He gave man law to establish what sin really was (this is from the Bible). Now, knowing what is good and perfect, man needed a way to stand before a holy God.

Jesus was not God's mechanism for implementing the change in acceptable foods (re-read my post); it was God the Father Himself.

As for changing the Law and the nature of God, we can read in Genesis where God initially required us to be vegetarians:

1:29 God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. 1:30 To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;” and it was so.

In Chapter 9, the Earth has changed because of the Noachian flood, and we read:

9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you will be on every animal of the earth, and on every bird of the sky. Everything that the ground teems with, and all the fish of the sea are delivered into your hand. 9:3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you. As the green herb, I have given everything to you.

God is sovereign... This is His creation, and He only requires obedience. This upsets many atheists, I understand. However, by writing "G-d", I believe you're indicating you believe the ENTIRE OT. If that's the case... re-read Genesis. Actually, you should read both the OT & NT.

God bless,

- Jeff

[Edited 2004-02-19 19:30:05]
 
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:32 am

Cptkrell, it says, also in Leviticus, that you are not allowed to eat shellfish. Not you in particular, of course, but Chrisians and Jews in general. In that same book, I believe, it states that it is ok to sell one's daughter into slavery and that one should sacrifice a bull upon an altar because the smell is pleasing to God. Unfortunately, the same smell is not pleasing to my neighbors in the apartment complex, so I am not able to follow the Bible word for word, and the police (damn the man!) really object to me trying to sell my daughter. Times change and the Bible, especially the Old Testament, should be considered either a partial history or a guide instead of sacrosanct law. The Bible, especially parts of the New Testament, can be a great guide, but time and context must be considered when reading it.

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:46 am

I don't think I ever read that blowing up buildings in the Quran is okay, so what's your point?

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:52 am

But the fact that Pork is forbidden to Jews and Muslims as well should make you think twice, why should they be adhereing to the order? theres got to be truth in it, Porks do eat their own crap even if kept in the cleanest of environs and I also heard the Pork meat can cause 75 different diseases.
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:56 am

"Pork meat can cause 75 different diseases"

So can Chicken, ground beef, some vegtables, tofu, everything can give you a disease...

"But the fact that Pork is forbidden to Jews and Muslims as well should make you think twice"

Jews go to Temple on Saturdays, and Muslims do the Hajj, Christians don't- it doesn't make it right or wrong...
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:04 am

Airmale, that's the old testament. There's a verse in the new testament that says animals are all God's creations, and none of them are "dirty". There are lots of laws in the old testament that are followed by the Jews that we don't have to, such as circumcision.

So if you don't pay attention to the old testament, shouldn't Christians not believe in creationism?
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:24 am

Airmale; dogs eat their own crap, too, and we know of societies where dog is a regular staple. That pork can transmit disease, trichinosis(sp?) being the most common in recent history via being not-thoroughly cooked, isn't unique.

As Texan says, "times change". Remember, too, that the Bible was written by men. I am not going to argue that the basic teachings of the Bible are not good, however, I find taking each and every word literally is really putting your life in the cross-hairs of hand-me-down statements of heresay evidence. I hope this does not come across as being blasphemous to some of you as I feel the Bible is, really, a Good Book, but I don't spend a lot of time worrying about a tasty slice of country ham or a pork roast. Or a freshly steamed lobster for that matter. If one chooses otherwise for whatever reason or belief, that's quite alright with me, too. Regards...Jack
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:21 am

There is a book about eating taboos by an anthropologist called Marvin Harris, I forgot the name of the book.

he says that the pork prohibition is because in a semi-arid region of pastoralists, the pig is a burden, and a pig is the mark of settled townsman, so eating pig meant you went over to the settled townspeople, i.e. Phonecians, Greeks, Amalekites, the enemy of the day.
Interesting thesis, don't know if I buy it.

PS, I know that halal and kosher share similarities (i.e. no pork and ritual slaughter) but can Moslems eat shellfish? What about mixing milk and meat?
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:14 pm

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I like my pork clean, safe and tasty as well. But it has to make over 100 thousand dollars a year for me to give it a shot.

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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:07 pm

Pork is still generally a cleaner meat to eat then Black Bear.

Still Black Bear makes great Sausage.
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:34 pm

I don't think I ever read that blowing up buildings in the Quran is okay, so what's your point?

Yes, you are correct, the Qu'ran contains no such thing, but this man has quoted a few passages that contain the forbiddance of swine's flesh, so what is your point?
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:05 pm

Csavel Muslims are not allowed to drink the blood of any animal, eat flesh of swine and dead carrion, as well as anything that has been slaughtered without the name of Allah being recited before, so animals killed through stunning are also forbidden, as are those that have been slaughtered in the name some person or saint or other religions without the "one" God's name being recited, Kosher is allowed I'm sure if there was a religious ritual way of sacrificing in Christianity than even that would be allowed for Muslims to eat, regarding shell fish, its not forbidden but there is some verdict on it which I cant recall, which makes it neither strictly forbidden nor recommended.

If you're dying of hunger then you're allowed to eat Pork ONLY so much that it saves your life and not to relish every morsel, and not to eat it after you have survived either.

Though not mentioned specifically by name but every flithy creature's meat is strictly forbidden in Islam which goes onto include the likes of Crocodiles, Snakes, Crows, Vultures, Eagles etc, basically every flesh eating animal is forbidden, I assume including certain types Fish such as Shark, though Shark Fin dishes are available at Chinese restaurants.
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:33 am

My point is Covert- that people are going against their religon's word. Airmale tries to make Christians look bad, like always, but when it comes down to it people in his religion do the same thing, just on a MUCH worse scale.. Me eating a hamburger doesn't kille 2000+ people....
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:11 am

Did I say Christians are bad? does my query make them seem bad? if it makes you feel better Bisexuality is rampant in Muslim countries despite it being strictly forbidden in the Quran, so besides being terrorists we are also sexually deviant, score settled.
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RE: Pork Forbidden According To Bible

Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:45 am

The only reason pork is considered 'unclean' is because Judaism, Islam and Christianity originate in the Middle East and in general any pig that survives in that arid environment is likely to be pretty manky. As far as 'unclean' meats are concerned chicken has given me more food poisoning than any other meat - I can't recall getting poisoned ever by pork or beef.

However, answering the question posed by Airmale, my friend is a devout Christian and doesn't eat pork or drink alcohol because his interpretation of Christianity is that it is forbidden. Again it is a matter of interpretation.
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