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TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:11 am

I was just watching Down Periscope (on ABC now) and was really surprised the level of censoring the networks have gone to. At one point in the movie, a command board was discussing handing over a sub to Tom LCDR Tom Dodge (Kelsey Grammar) and Admiral Graham has a line where he goes: "I don't believe that we should hand over a $1 Billion dollar sub to a man with "Welcome Aboard" tatooed on his penis". Except the word penis was edited out...you could just see his mouth moving. For christ's sake, it's a part of the human anatomy. It isn't an inappropriate word nor is it offense (well, it might be to some of the most liberal feminists hehe...like they'd know what to do with one if one hit them upside the head anyways)...but my question is, do you think that censorship has gone too far? I think it certainly has. Anymore people have the mentality to b*tch....OK IT JUST DID IT AGAIN. Kelsey Grammar is in another Admiral's office and the Admiral is trying to convince him to take over the diesel sub and he goes: "I want a man to command that boat with a tatoo on his dick" except that "dick" was censored. I think that's soo cheap. From now on I think I'll just stick with a nice un-edited DVD.

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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:18 am

yes, I think it has. Sexual references, bad words and the likes are nothing we dont deal with on a daily basis so who cares if they are on TV?

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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:48 am

Umm, IIRC, that movie is being shown on the FAMILY channel at what, 8pm on a weekend? Of course they're going to edit down, there might be little kids watching, and while it IS a part of the human anatomy, it was being used for potty humor.

Frankly, I find the limits to what they'll show on TV these days getting worse and worse. It's refreshing to see a network trying to clean it up some.

And, btw, WHY is it ok to say "damn" but not God? When then bleep out "goddamn" they only bleep the first half. What gives?
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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:16 am

Illini_52, haha, I have always wondered the same thing.

My guess is so they avoid religion, or religion-based problems that may arise. (Who knows, there are all sorts of people out there today!)
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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:18 pm

What do you mean - censorship has gone too far? Are you saying it's gotten worse over the past few years? Ahhh, I just saw your age group...

Today's American TV gets away with a lot more than only a decade ago. Admitedly, I don't watch a lot of it, but I did watch my first ever episode of Sex and the City a few weeks ago and was shocked (and pleased  Smile/happy/getting dizzy) at the stuff that they managed to put in there.

I think they should be allowed to show hard-core porno movies if they want, after midnght. If they are ready to show more realistic violence and gore on TV, than the least they can do is allow realistic fu%&ing. I's a lot less harmfull anyway.

What I do think they should censor is rap and all the video and culture around it. I see all those kids get into it and it's just downhill from there.

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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:32 pm

Illini_152
WHY is it ok to say "damn" but not God? When then bleep out "goddamn" they only bleep the first half. What gives?

Dats so they dont upset dem Byble Thumpers down South! Big grin




Cfalk:
Sex and the city?
How dare women be in control of there sexual freedoms.  Insane

What I do think they should censor is rap and all the video and culture around it. I see all those kids get into it and it's just downhill from there.

I am sort with you on that one. I hate the music and the attitude but I do like the women.  Big grin


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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:07 pm

But what should be censored, sex, violence, both?

Partly about films, rather than TV, but some points here;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1151479,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1147644,00.html
 
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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:31 pm

When I saw the thread, I thought it would be more than censorship regarding sex and violence. Those are the easy topics, but what about political (self) censorship?! In my personal opinion, I think we need a return of good old fashioned journalists who get their teeth into the issues that concern us all.
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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:53 pm

Cfalk,

You're judging the guy on his age group? I expected better from you...
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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:10 pm

Tbar, I was just pointing out that he does not remember when a simple "Damn" would have been enough to get old ladies fainting across the country and class action suits going. It's been a long time since "Carlin's Seven Words".

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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:51 pm

Or Lucy and Ricky sleeping in separate beds and not daring to utter the word pregnant.

Sex in the City? More like sluts in the city.

Darn right, Superfly.

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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:30 am

I find it interesting that, years ago, there was a code of conduct that broadcasters aheared to. It was not regulatory or enforced by the govenrnment, but was strict and adhered to. In thes 70's the Justice department sued the broadcasters to drop their code and won, on grounds that it violated antitrust laws.

Now the government is trying to figure out how they can control the crap that spews forth from TV, and they can't do it.

Private industry was perfectly capable of policing themselves, until the government stepped in and had to "fix" things. And now it's a mess. Go figure.
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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:45 pm

Broadcasters these days are pushing the limits. They will air whatever they can get away with even with the threat of legal action. Anything to draw the throngs of idiots who thrive on this ridiculous potty humor.

There is a time and place for everything, including profanity and I am sad to say my kids understand this much more clearly than today's broadcasters...
 
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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:49 pm

while i always fight against most censorship because i beleve against it i think that in this particualr case it's a good thing to have. i always fought against music censorship because i always saw it as trying to silence a few today's tv is so uncontrolled that the censorship is a somewhat welcome relief to the insanity that is tv these days. there is no need in my mind to have "everything out there" on tv these days. as said before, there is a time and place for everything. personal restraint is a good thing to learn.

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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:50 am

"There is a time and a place for everything."

There is also an off button and there is also Superfly's suggestion that you don't need a TV. Not to get on my high horse, but I don't have one and I don't miss it. I have no idea who American idol is, what Queer Eye for the Straight Guy is all about, and what Sex and the City is about - OK I did see an episode of that one at GF's.

Anyway, gov't doesn't owe you clean TV, nor do you have a right to it. TV networks exist to get as many eyeballs watching so that they can sell advertising space. We may bemoan the fact that titties mean more eyeballs than Shakespeare, but that is reality. If you don't like it, you do have the power of the 'off" switch and the boycott.

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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:19 pm

I hate 99% of what's on TV.
I've scanned through hundreds of channels and I couldn't find a liberal bias so I gave up on TV.  Smile

My TV is strictly for watching videos (Airport movies, concert videos, porn, etc..).


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RE: TV Censorship Gone Too Far?

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:29 pm

I used to watch very little TV until I got cable. I still don't watch much compared to a lot of people though.

As far as censorship, I'm amazed that they can't put "penis" on TV like that. From the time my brother and I were very young we knew the parts of our anatomy and the proper names for them. My boyfriend curses in front of his son but his son (who is 5) KNOWS that those are "naughty words" and he is not to say them. He'll hear them on TV and go "he said a naughty word."

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