MD-90
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Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:09 am

A friend of mine from Switzerland gives us a nice nugget: "I saw the most remarkable thing last night on German TV. [Foreign Minister] Joschka Fischer actually told an audience of Greens that the U.S. has been a force for peace in the world. He said that Pakistan and India had been on the verge of a nuclear confrontation and the only thing that stopped them was U.S. intervention. He also said that Israel had the right to exist, and to be left in peace. Who'd've thunk?"

http://www.nationalreview.com/impromptus/impromptus200402260858.asp

Telling that to a bunch of Greens is pretty brave.
 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:15 am

More right wing nonsense from the National Review.

What debate are you trying to start? Here's a hint, try starting one with a credible source.
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:18 am

My question: Why did we stop India and Pakistan? think of all those US jobs the liberals are screaming about going there that would have come back if those two nuked each other.

Also it might have ended the weekly Indian aviation thread.
 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:18 am

Frankly, that's not news. Fischer has gained a lot of respect from politicians around the globe. That includes the government of Israel and the US administration.
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MD-90

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:20 am

Your stunned reaction says a lot more about your own skewed expectations than about Joschka Fischer... he´s been saying the same things all along!

Maybe your image of the "evil, america-hating old Europe" is just an illusion and the real world is much more interesting!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:20 am

LOL nice one Startvalve. And kudos to Joschka! I'm glad that someone in Germany isn't a turncoat against us.
 
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L.1011

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:28 am

L.1011: And kudos to Joschka! I'm glad that someone in Germany isn't a turncoat against us.

He´s telling it like most people over here see it - no wonder his personal approval rating is (by far!) the highest of all german politicians (always in the 80% range).

He still was one of the driving forces behind the german opposition to the Iraq war - even before the french started giving Washington headaches.

Just take it as a sign that in the real world, matters are more complicated than "You´re either for the Iraq invasion or you´re an evil anti-american terrorist!"

You may believe this nonsense, but it doesn´t get any "truer" because of that. Respecting, liking or even loving the USA has nothing to do with blindly supporting every misconstrued adventure of it´s acting government.
 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:28 am

I should imagine that the US really DID have a lot to do with diffusing seemingly imminent India vs. Pakistan hostilities.

Yikes, Startvalve, what are YOU trying to fire up? Regards...Jack
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:28 am

Your stunned reaction says a lot more about your own skewed expectations than about Joschka Fischer... he´s been saying the same things all along!

And it's not only Mr. Fischer. I can not recall a politician who said otherwise.
This is really a non-issue here.
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:06 am

I'm not stunned. But it is an unusual thing to hear out of Germany. Americans don't hear German news the way Germans hear American news.
 
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MD-90

Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:11 am

MD-90: I'm not stunned. But it is an unusual thing to hear out of Germany.

No, it´s not. You´ve just started to listen for a change!

Try to find independent news coverage of the bygone months all through the Iraq invasion crisis and you´ll see it´s always been that way.

What has changed is that some parts of the american press have become somewhat ... exhausted, it appears.  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:34 am

Typical stupid national review stuff. Presenting issues in a typical black and white manner. The Germans - as well as most people who don't read the trash in the review - know fully well that issues are more complex than the review's portrayal of them.

Of course the US has been a force for good - as well as a divisive force - in the world. It all depends on the issue and the scenario.
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:44 am

Fischer has had probably the most-amazing career of a German politican since Willy Brandt. From a left-winging Sponti of the 60s to the by far most popular German politican (what would Schröder give for Fischer's approval ratings!), most respected European foreign minister, figurehead of all Greens and the living evidence that Greens can make sensible real politics.

The fact that he does have the balls to say "Yes, I was far-left 30 years ago and today I know that I made mistakes" just makes me respect him even more.
 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:14 am

i cant wait till our two "americanguys" start posting stuff like "TERRORIST TIES FROM 70IES FOUND WITH GERMAN FOREIGN SECRETARY" straight from newsmax.com

and yes respect to him for actually fighting for what he believes in.
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:44 am

The interesting thing about Fischer is that he is mostly self educated. He´s never been to college, but before his political career he used to work as a taxi driver in FRA. He kept a huge library in his home.
Also, some years ago he got hit on the ear by a paint bag, when he was justifying NATO involvement in Bosnia to his party. It burst his eardrum, very painfull, but he finished his speech. Some of his old friends said that 15 yearsearlier he would have gone downstairs and would have punched it out with his assailant.

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MD-90
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:03 am

And yet I wouldn't have known a thing about him if it wasn't from the right wing nonsense and stupid National Review.
 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:20 pm

MD-90 wrote:

"And yet I wouldn't have known a thing about him if it wasn't from the right wing nonsense and stupid National Review."

Well, then you aren't trying hard enough. There are countless good English-language sources of news from Europe. Here are a few good ones:

Time (Europe): http://www.time.com/time/europe/

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (Germany, English edition): http://www.faz.com

International Herald Tribune (published in Paris): http://www.iht.com/

The Guardian (UK): http://www.guardian.co.uk/

Transitions Online (Post-communist Europe): http://www.tol.cz

The Moscow Times: http://www.themoscowtimes.com

El Pais (Spain, English edition, PDF): http://www.iht.com/pdfs/elpais/ep1.pdf

 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:40 pm

I appreciate that, PHX. I have looked at the Guardian before, but not the others.
 
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:00 am

Thumbs up to MD-90.

"Telling that to a bunch of Greens is pretty brave."

I don't think it's that brave anymore. Many Greens and their supporters have learnt that they won't get any further with their "back to the roots" utopia. Instead, they're trying to influence policies by getting elected and involved with things - a rather effective way, isn't it?

In addition to that, many Greens are children of middle-class parents who didn't like the way their parents earned their money (personally as well as figuratively), so they wanted to change things. But they are still children of middle-class parents, which means that you may very well find a Green who has rather conservative opinions on, for example, social policies, of the "You have to work for your money, otherwise you don't deserve much of it." kind.
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RE: Germany's Foreign Minister...Wow

Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:44 am

Oh. That's not really what the greens (er, watermelons) are in the US.

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