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The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:49 am

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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:54 am

Out of curiousity... how exactly did you expect them to return from a combat zone-- in bleached whites and with hickies on their necks?  Insane
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxne

Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:59 am

i would expect that people dont go into a combat zone except when they have to defend their home.
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:01 am

I would expect someone allegedly in the 26-35 age bracket to not be so incredibly naive as to the politics of war/combat  Big grin
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:07 am

Yeah right, he should be over there in Iraq losing his hand/eye/ leg or something. Unless he comes from a wealthy family of course.
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxne

Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:08 am

well i dont know about where you are from, but (yes yurope learned it by now) over here going to war isnt a hobby anymore and war is something you do in self defense.
apart from that i thought it would be a good reminder to certain armchair generals who never served in armed forces that there are people who will see severe consequences from wars. the rest of that site(that i didnt link to for a reason) has plenty of what media doesnt like to show.
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:10 am

And how would you know how "wealthy" those soldiers are, Dc10guy? How do you know their family doesn't make 300 grand a year?
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:11 am

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty·

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...nearly all of Iraq’s 400 courts are functioning.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts—exceeding the pre-war average.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1, by October 1, Coalition forces had rehabbed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than their target.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...doctors’ salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccination doses to Iraq’s children.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals. They now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...we have restored over three-quarters of pre-war telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... there are 4,900 full-service connections. We expect 50,000 by January first.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns. Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...95 percent of all pre-war bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...the central bank is fully independent.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... Iraq has one of the world’s most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... Iraq (has) a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...satellite dishes are legal.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for “minders” and other government spies.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... there is no Ministry of Information.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...there are more than 170 newspapers.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... foreign journalists and everyone else are free to come and go.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...a nation that had not one single element—legislative, judicial or executive-- of a representative government, does.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad’s first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq’s history, run the day-to-day business of government.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events. Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of (a) strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to his zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games...murdering critics.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...Saudis will hold municipal elections.*

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.*

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.*

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian -- a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and for peace.



I think I mentioned President Bush enough there to give Alpha1 a heart attack...  Innocent

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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxne

Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:14 am

cmon jeff give a link to your stuff instead of pasting 500 lines. makes it harder to scroll em away.
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:15 am

It's hard to scroll a mouse? Wow, that is a new level of lazy....
 
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:57 am

Fact:
In war there are always dead and/or injured soldiers. This is not a matter of discution. Even with the highest possible differences in technologies, I doubt no-casualty war would be possible (at least not any time in near future).

The question here I believe is werether the war is/was needed at all, not about the fact that there are injured Americans. I believe these images are posted here only to show that some American soldiers are also injured, not just Iraqi fighters.

JeffM, a great number of your facts are quite arguable and some has nothing to do with the war (or are only somehat related - points, marked with *).
E.g. - Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.
True, they are not for "disagreeing with Saddam". But there are still political prisoners (Saddam himself). You can say that he was imprisoned for crimes he did, but any politician imprisoned for his crimes (against human rights) done during his ruling will still be called political prisoners.
There are lots other argueble points (all about the "representative" Iraqi government (representative means elected by people)), recionstruction of Iraq (if there would be no war there would be no need for reconstruction), but what I have posted will be enough for now...
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:23 am

(if there would be no war there would be no need for reconstruction)

Remember that 95% of the damage was already there prior to the war.

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Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:36 am

do you all realize how pointless arguing about this all is?
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:02 am

Cancidas, yes, I realize it in fact. I try not take part in these discutions and now wanted just to clear point of Zak. However, decided to reply to some of JeffM's posts too...

The only possible way to prove someone that his political views are wrong, in my opinion, is to present facts to him. I mean facts which were previously unknown to that person, because overemphasing already known facts will do nothing. If that person, for example, sees nothing wrong in the fact that republicans are against gay marriages (this is just an example), you won't prove him that it's bad because it's 'a huge violation of human rights'. However, if that person doesn't knows that republicans are against gay marriages, after you tell him that he might change his political opinion (assuming he is for gay rights, for example). Same happened when Germans seen what 'crimes' the nazis done - a lot of former supporters of nazi regime became nazi-haters then.

However, in my opinion, political discution can be good if you have nothing to do (e.g. you are waiting in line for a doctor, etc.).

Well, but since I already got inside this one:
Cfalk, could you please give some link and/or tell what exacly damage was done pre-war (and when was it done (Iraqi-Iran war, Saddam's rule, Gulf War, etc.)?
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:52 am

"well i dont know about where you are from, but (yes yurope learned it by now) over here going to war isnt a hobby anymore and war is something you do in self defense.
apart from that i thought it would be a good reminder to certain armchair generals who never served in armed forces that there are people who will see severe consequences from wars. the rest of that site(that i didnt link to for a reason) has plenty of what media doesnt like to show."

Ok, then tell all the people that were being killed in kosovo that it was a mistake to save them. Tell the jews that it was a mistake for us to help in europe. I think, since we won't use military to help anyone, no aid to any other countries should be allowed either....

No other news channel showed these pics either. Know why? It's called TASTE. Just like the news would not show FDR's lower half. TASTE.
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:13 am

No other news channel showed these pics either. Know why? It's called TASTE. Just like the news would not show FDR's lower half. TASTE.

"Just like the news would not show FDR's lower half" TASTE huh?

Well they didn't talk about FDR's sexual indiscretions either. But they did talk about Clinton's...they didn't only talk about it..they would let go of it, they beat it into our minds. They have no 'TASTE' nor class. That network is farce! So since we are letting it 'all hang out' in the open nowadays, TASTE or CLASS would be showcasing these wounded men!

After all, FOXNews is the 1st to call them 'HEREOS!'..so let's see these Heroes, trust me...they do want to be seen..they do want to show what they have sacrificed! But you know what? FOX or any other network won't show it....and it has nothing to do with class! It's because they want these people to go away, fade away...disappear. They don't want this face of the war to be seen because "The people can't handle it..they're too weak"....better yet, the people won't support the next stupid war if the see the 'downside' of this one! That's why these images can't be shown..and that's why they want these people and photographs of them to disappear!

They want to portray healthy troops returning from the war...sound like a propaganda campaign??? Well, that's exactly what it is!

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Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:21 am

Horseshit, BN747. Plain and simple. You cannot prove a word of that dribble...
 
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:48 am

These men, and the men and women like them show us the true spirit of the American military man and women.

Their courage knows no bounds.

Thank you for showing us the link for these pictures. It proves yet again the quality of America and it's fighting forces.

By the way, you could have pick a better source than that ridiculous website you linked to.

It does not put you or your motives in a very good light. You should think about that in the future oh compassionate one.








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Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:11 pm

Horseshit jeff??? That's it? You're not going to point out what's flawed in the arguement? Surely you can do better than 'Horseshit'! I certainly hope you can!


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Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:12 pm

Did anyone notice how many of those injuries are listed as comming from operations in Afghanistan?

What exactly did the US start in Afghanistan? Allowing aid workers and mine clearing teams to start their work? Removing a brutal regieme, that was colluding with a man that killed three thousand of our own.


Hardly a war we started, or an unjust one.
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:22 pm

One thing that I did NOT see in fox news, are "THE WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION!"

Where are they?

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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxne

Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:24 pm

Hey lets beat this dead horse some more. Every other thread on this damn board is war this, Bush sucks that. Guess what guys, nobody is changing anyones views and this board sure as hell isn't going to stop the war. Now lets all return to the flamewar about to begin.
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:36 pm

BN747, no....that does nicely.

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Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:33 am

Rich people ( like Dubya ) don't have to go to war and lose eyes arms legs etc. And they don't have to fight a war for oil so they can pay for school either. There is no cause in Iraq that is worth these loses. Hopefully we will have a regime change in the USA in January 2005.
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:18 am

Where are the WMDs? I dunno, how bout you get off your lazy ass and look for them yourself? Since they're so easy to find and so important to you, might as well just drive on out and pick one up!
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:26 am

DC10boy,
electing a Dem to office will only increase the number of casualties do to the poor funding they will be provided with.... You like seeing those kinds of wounds?

And don't come back with the "Liberal Democrats would not have gotten us into that kind of war..." Bullshit.... many of the Dems were for this intervention and it is well documented...
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:27 am

Since President Bush ended the war on May 1st, I had to unload 3 corpses from a plane. Felt very nice.

It doesn't hurt to look at things from Switzerland's perspective once in a while...

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Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:32 am

Alex,

There are similar levels during non-war time. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Actually quite low for the situation.

Not sure what is "nice" about unloading someone's body from a plane.... would it have been any different to you if they had died in a car accident?

During my service, I have had to present the flag to the loved ones at the burial...many times...not fun, but a proud moment. Never had anyone say anything bad..

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Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:20 pm

Rich people ( like Dubya ) don't have to go to war and lose eyes arms legs etc

Nice DC-10, You really make the term class bigot fit you.

And now DC-10 will explain to the class why Bob Dole always held that pen in his clenched left hand.

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Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:38 pm

Rich people ( like Dubya ) don't have to go to war and lose eyes arms legs etc



This is true.

Where are the WMDs? I dunno, how bout you get off your lazy ass and look for them yourself? Since they're so easy to find and so important to you, might as well just drive on out and pick one up!

Since this is what the war is based on, FIND THEM.
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:55 pm

Jeff,

NICE remark was sarcastic. I still remember crippled people who came from Afghanistan, and later Chechnya... that's why I am so against the war.

Alex.
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:24 pm

JeffM is right about everything in post #7. I am so thankful that we have a president and soldiers from around the world with the balls to go after Saddam.

Living with my Iraqi relatives for the past two years has really showed me how bad it was over there. Times have changed.
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:38 pm

Btw. Zak I do see these stories on Foxnews, not once have I heard a soldier say anything like "I wish I didn't go."
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:00 pm

I know a guy, who is a senior officer in the USArmy, who is currently in Iraq. He went, because it is his duty due to his commision, but he was and is definitely worried that the whole thing might end up in a repetition of the 100 year war, in this case with the Islamic world, with his son still fighting it. BTW, down there, even though he is doing staff work, he equiped himself with a "liberated" AK-47 as to have something stronger on him in case of an attack then just a Berreta pistol.

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Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:38 pm

N766UA:
They are not important to me.
They are the reason why your President decided to invade a foreign country. Is it not?
Was it not him that criticized the United Nations for not acting?

After the lies and the manipulation of the media, they have still come up short.

Now they are looking for someone to blame . . Oh and wait. . . Yes, the pre war intelligence.

So since it was YOUR president that decided to go to war, why don't you get up and have a look for them, let me know if you return with anything!
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:32 pm

"Btw. Zak I do see these stories on Foxnews, not once have I heard a soldier say anything like "I wish I didn't go.""

- of course fox wont show people who oppose the war

- it isnt about people opposing the war but just trying to remind certain armchair generals who seem to be pro constant war and seem to get a boner every time their country attacks some nation that people actually do suffer heavily from their ignorant decisions
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:55 pm

The British say: "Support the troops, but not the government!"

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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:01 am

Explain why Dubya didn't go to Vietnam ??? Cause daddy was rich that's why. Kerry was rich but went anyway. Kerry knows the horrors of war. Dubya only knows the luxuries of being rich. So sending working class people off to die for his oil is no big deal to Dubya....
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:04 am

Zak : " - of course fox wont show people who oppose the war

they show plenty of them.... listen sometime...

Decisions are something the Liberal Dems have a hard time making...
 
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RE: The War In Iraq And What You Dont See On Foxnews

Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:17 pm

The absence of things in the long list were because of the embargo which was on for long years.As the embargo is now over its normal that the things get better, its not a sole succes of G.Bush.The everyday life in Iraq is most dangerous ever. Can you also write how many innocent civillians are killed in Iraq "Since President Bush decleared end to major combat on May 1" because everything other than human lives is bullshit.
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