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GWB And Alcoholism

Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:17 pm

I saw a documentary where it was said that during the 80's, George W. Bush was a serious alcoholic, which was said to have caused him messing up his oil firm and . They even quoted him, being affirmative on that. Moreover, he said that Jesus via Pat Robertson had helped him to live a sober life.

I am interested in your opinions:
do you think it was indeed Jesus who saved him?
do you think that Jesus influence was strong enough to keep him away from brandy til the end of time? Clinically, many alcoholics have frequent relapses.
do you think his drinking behavior is monitored? what if they would notice that he is drunk all the time, would someone be able to take action?

I was always scared to hell when Boris Yeltsin, drunk as shit would give intervies to the press, babbling about world peace.

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:33 pm

I think he is in way to public of a position, that would allow a relapse to go unnoticed.

And there are a lot of people are recouping from whatever, and religious beliefs are often a very powerful influence. A higher power kind of deal.
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:48 pm

Alcoholism is something that I have seen first hand in a few of my family members, some have recovered, others have not. I have a lot of respect for anyone who manages to quit long-term after a period of serious alcoholism (which by all accounts GWB's was.) It is an extremely difficult thing to quit entirely, and even more so for someone like a President (or govorner) who is expected to attend so many official functions, where alcohol is the main lubricant for discourse. As L-188 said, with his life and behaviour constantly under the microscope, it would be quite obvious if he ever had a relapse. When an ex-serious alcoholic relapses, he does it big-time.

Religion is frequently the path to alcoholic recovery. The idea is that if you are convinced that there is a higher power who will call you to account for ALL your actions and behaviour (including things that you might get away with, or that nobody saw you do), it provides that extra incentive to behave even when nobody is looking.

I'm no fan of Pat Robertson, but if that's the path that helped him to recovery, good for him.

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:18 pm

with his life and behaviour constantly under the microscope

Why is this actually so popular in the US? Why is it so important to enlarge the private life of people like Bush? He recovered from alcoholism, and that's the most important thing (for which I have a lot of respect).

I will give you an example about Clinton and Monica: the hype around this was huge.
In comparision with our media in central-Europe: our own Belgian King (Albert II) apparently has a daughter somewhere living in the UK. This daughter is not coming from Paola (our Queen), but from a relation he had outside his marriage about 20? years ago.

This was mentioned in the news, but a few days after the press discovered this, we did not hear about this anymore.

I'm sure that a situation like Clinton-Monica would never have been an issue over here, like it was in America.
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:49 pm

He got arrested a while back for DUI.

Proud he is our President  Yeah sure

Maybe he talks the way he does cause of all the alcohol he drank.
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:50 pm

I think the US President is capable of concealing all sorts of things including personal "indulgences". Most past presidents have had peculiarities exposed after they leave office.

Bush's drug and alcohol abuse has been well documented, but it didn't seem to deter voters. But they sure are hard on any new guy trying to run.

Personally, I think Bush has licked his demons but they have probably taken their toll on his body.

Jesus? I don't think Jesus or God or Allah or any other deity restores your health or cures your addictions. People are responsible for their own "salvation" and if it is faith in Jesus that floats your boat, and inspires you to sober up then more power to you. Many who discover religion feel it gives their life meaning and purpose. Helpful for anyone with low self esteem like druggies and alcoholics.

 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:12 am

Dude Jesus can't heal huh? I was born legally blind. However still legally blind my eye sight has been improving for a while. My Dr. can't explain it. Oh by the way it is a degenitive eye disorder. I am supposed to get worse with time no the other way around.

Sabena : It is not just here in the U.S. that scrutinize celebrities. One of the best examples of this I can think of was Princes Diana.

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:19 am

You can't explain something so you blame it on Jesus? Well, I suppose people have been doing that for thousands of years.

Jesus can help you recover or heal, but not directly. A belief in something can help you mentally.
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:36 am

My Dr. can't explain it. Oh by the way it is a degenitive eye disorder. I am supposed to get worse with time no the other way around.

And why did Jesus single you out out over the thousands of children that are blinded by totally preventable diseases?

Just because a doctor can't explain something doesn't mean Jesus stepped in. There are several processes of the human body we don't understand...yet.

We can cure and treat a great deal of ailments these days that we were at the mercy of "Jesus" to deal with in the past. Did the doctors just take the workload off Jesus with these new cures? If so, why doesn't Jesus help the less fortunate more often?

I am not trying to attack your faith or even convince you to abandon it. But unless you have some proof that your eyesight was restored by "Jesus" don't bother stating it...
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:06 am

He got arrested a while back for DUI.

Proud he is our President


Yeah, and Bill Clinton smoked pot and lied to the whole nation over a sex scandal.

But I bet, since you're a liberal, you were proud to have him president back then, right?

The point.............you have no case at all.

Nobody is perfect.




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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:11 am

"You can't explain something so you blame it on Jesus? "

exactly the reason why religion exists, to make life more understandable to people who are looking for that comfort.
its all good as long as people who feel religion is beneficial to them dont try to spread it out to other people and want others to live in accordance to beliefs people dont necessarily share.
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:25 am

The documentary was wrong on who helped the President with his religion. It was Rev. Billy Graham, not Pat Robertson. As far as alcoholics going back to the drink, there are many people that can successfully beat that addiction and never ever go back to it for the rest of their life. I have a family member that is coming up on 30 years sobriety, and his drinking was bad enough that he almost died. I think that the President is still sober and will not go back to drinking. He has found a way to deal with it (every person has a different way) and if it works, then more power to him.

When he was first running for Governor of our state, the sitting Governor (Ann Richards) attacked him for being a recovering alcoholic. This was one of the most stupid things to do for a person who themselves is a recovering alcoholic.

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:50 am

There are no processes that the doctor could have performed to regain my eyesight in the slightest. As for proof all I have is my faith. He told us in Isaiah that by his stripes we are healed. In the Bible all of the people that we have recorded as being healed are the one's that exude faith. However, when the apostle Paul asked for healing of a "thorn in the flesh" God told him "my grace is sufficient for thee". I have not been totally healed and am still legally blind however it is improving why? I have absolutely no idea but, I praise God for it.

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:15 am

How many times must someone drag this up?

The recycling of the 2000 liberal playbook is getting real old.
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:28 am

Alcoholism is a disease. Yes, look it up. Same as diabetes, etc. What bearing does it have on anything? Only ignorance brings it up....
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:32 am

B757300, you are so sickening frustrated... this for somebody supporting democracy. Just as frustrated as Singapore_Air is with SIA.

Liberal playbook? How about your conservative playbook you drag into every single post?

Get a life.
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:41 am

How many times must someone drag this up?

The recycling of the 2000 liberal playbook is getting real old.


Yeah, you've never brought up Clinton or Gore in the past couple of years have you?
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:06 am

Yeah NWA742, and Bill Clinton smoked pot and lied to the whole nation over a sex scandal.

Let's examine this...

Bill Clinton smoked pot

Yeah so...what college student his age didn't? He said it was just once..which obviously was a lie..but if did it a year straight..big deal? Who did he hurt?

He lied to the whole nation over a sex scandal.

You'd lie too if cameras and the whole nation were watching you answer this question...'How many times did you polish the sword this week?' this site is anonymous..and you'd still lie answering that question. Of course he lied just like anyone of the lawyers asking the questions..they would have lied too!

Bush has been, still is, lying about Iraq...and the the death toll is now what? So I ask you...which lies are more costly to the nation??? Pot smoking? A blowjob? A cause to start a war?

Answer with a straight face if you can...

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:37 am

I have not been totally healed and am still legally blind however it is improving why? I have absolutely no idea but, I praise God for it.

Well good for you! But if you worshipped the devil, I bet your eyesight would be just as good. (or bad)

Do I have proof? Just as much as you offered me TYSGoVols.....


 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:41 pm

I agree with you Airplay, but let him be. If he has faith then let him don't be an asshole about it.
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:57 pm

Yeah so...what college student his age didn't?

Well, me, for one, and a lot of others who didn't flunk out of college due to drugs and lazyness.

Not everybody does that kind of crap.

He said it was just once..which obviously was a lie..but if did it a year straight..big deal? Who did he hurt?

Well, he willingly broke the law, and obviously killed a little too many of his brain cells in the process.

You'd lie too if cameras and the whole nation were watching you answer this question

Bullcrap, I would tell the truth and not hide like a pansy from my own wrongdoings.

Bush has been, still is, lying about Iraq

That's your opinion, yet you state it like a fact. So far, no WMDs have been found in Iraq, so far. That could change any day, but chances are it won't. This doesn't mean Bush lied, ok? This means that he and the information they had was wrong. He said he BELIEVED there were WMDs in Iraq, based on the intelligence he had recieved. He didn't directly lie to the nation. You cannot compare that with what Clinton did. Clinton PURPOSELY and DIRECTLY lied to the nation, Bush did not. Bush was wrong about a war, he didn't lie about a war.




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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:02 pm

don't be an asshole about it.

I'm really trying not to come off like that....but my simple request was to provide proof. And he couldn't even come up with circumstantial evidence.

My original post gave him plenty of room to state that his faith is his salvation. I truly believe that faith inspires us to become better and sometimes even heal. But instead I get "Jesus can't heal huh?"

If you want to debate or discuss the topic be prepared to back up your claims. If you want to dispute one person's statements, feel free but again be prepared to explain yourself accordingly. I don't think I need to pussy foot because this particular person has defective vision. You certainly didn't beat around the bush Dash8King when you implied I was being an asshole....
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:12 pm

but my simple request was to provide proof

Faith means you rely on your belief in the absence of proof my friend.

You obviously don't understand why and how some people believe the way they do, and you judge them like an ignorant fool.

What I find laughable, is that this is simply one more attempt of a cheap shot towards Bush from you, Airplay. Bush is just one of millions of people who find salvation in their religion and belief of a god, yet you pick on him. Pretty sorry, buddy.




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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:34 pm

big surprise as to where his daughters got it from...
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:49 pm

Faith means you rely on your belief in the absence of proof my friend.


Yes. Thats the statement most of the "faithful" hide behind. Let's get down to the real issue within the issue here.

I said "I don't think Jesus or God or Allah or any other deity restores your health or cures your addictions. People are responsible for their own "salvation" and if it is faith in Jesus that floats your boat, and inspires you to sober up then more power to you." Is that an attack on someone's faith? I certainly don't think so. I am imposing my beliefs (or disbeliefs) on anyone? No.

Then I get a response that Jesus does in fact heal and there is proof. I guess God and Allah and Buddah don't, but Jesus apparently does. I asked for proof and I get the typical theological two-step. If I was answering my post, I would have said something like "My faith pulls me through and it is in my faith I find comfort." But instead I get essentially "Airplay you are wrong, faith in Jesus cures people and I have proof". (OK I'm paraphrasing here)

Be faithful, be happy. I'm happy for you. Can't answer my question, fine. Don't feel like debating, OK. But don't try to convince me that I can't have an intelligent debate on this in fear of hurting someone's feelings because they are faithful or disabled in some way.

Cheap shot against Bush? I didn't start this thread. Besides, I don't think I stated anything about Bush here that is derogatory.
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:35 pm

NWA742 your pot reply was outright insipid. Dr. Kary Mullis is a Nobel Prize winning scientist who still advocates smoking pot and has done every drug on the planet before winning his Nobel Award. You're blowing smoke out of your ass about things you know nothing about! Bush was lazy as hell at Yale AND he has the grades to prove it!

Bush has been, still is, lying about Iraq...and the the death toll is now what? So I ask you...which lies are more costly to the nation??? Pot smoking? A blowjob? A cause to start a war?

NWA742's Answer:
That's your opinion, yet you state it like a fact. So far, no WMDs have been found in Iraq, so far. That could change any day, but chances are it won't. This doesn't mean Bush lied, ok? This means that he and the information they had was wrong. He said he BELIEVED there were WMDs in Iraq, based on the intelligence he had recieved. He didn't directly lie to the nation. You cannot compare that with what Clinton did. Clinton PURPOSELY and DIRECTLY lied to the nation, Bush did not. Bush was wrong about a war, he didn't lie about a war.

FACT: He said and I quote you "We Know they have WMD and we know where they ARE!" end quote:


I expect an answer like this from a member of the 21 and under club..but you, an adult capable of digesting the news reports as they unfold? And you can say the above with a straight face? When they say there's no hope for some..I now know what that means..you have the most rabid case of hero-worship I've seen yet..even Bush himself has almost come to concluding he may have misled the public (altough he knows damn well he outright lied) and here you are ready to swear on you life he didn't! One word..SCARY!

You'd lie too if cameras and the whole nation were watching you answer this question ;...'How many times did you polish the sword this week?'

NWA742's Reply:
Bullcrap, I would tell the truth and not hide like a pansy from my own wrongdoings.

Okay, you're lying out of your ass on this one too and you know it! You would have answered instead of saying 'I do tell the truth'..What are we to do, take your word for it? (not that we really give a sh*t) I don't think so!


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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:40 pm

"Bill Clinton smoked pot

Yeah so...what college student his age didn't? He said it was just once..which obviously was a lie..but if did it a year straight..big deal? Who did he hurt?"

Umm I never smoked pot.

So it is ok to lie? If you think this then if and when you have kids and they lie, don't punish them, lying is ok and we need more of it our society, lying is a good thing.

the pot smoking hurt nobody but himself, who knows how many people lying hurt.
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:11 pm

And how many others are dead -and will die-- from War-related lies?
All lies aren't equal, some do far more damage than others..they can even cost lives!

BN747
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:24 pm

Back in college I used to smoke pot as well, but normally being a non-smoker, I simply couldn´t inhale the stuff, because it gave me a coughing fit. So I just puffed it, like a cigar, not drawing the smoke down into my lungs. Since I work as an A&P, my licence is too valuable for me to loose it due to being caught in a random drug test.
Ok, now Bush apparently was a lazy student, while Clinton aced college and got his scholarship in Oxford to prove it.
Same as the German Channcelor Schroeder, coming out of a poor family he was working his arse off to improve himself.

I don´t support Bush´s politics, actually I think them highly dangerous, but concerning his previous alcoholism, I´m happy that he is dry now, and I think the major influence came through his wife.
His past is his personal business. I didn´t care about Clinton shagging his interns as well, it was just the business of Mrs. Clinton, Ms.Lewinski, Mr. Clinton and maybe the daughter. For me it is definitely the business of the press and a congressional investigation.
When the former French President Mitterand died, aside of his family he had a daughter out of a extramarital affair, who was officialy invited to the state funeral. Everybody in France knew about it, but couldn´t care less.
A few years ago, the conservatives in Germany tried to use a messy divorce of Schroeder to win an election by publishing details. The German population punished them for this by not voting for them.

BTW, Fischer, the German foreign minister, used to be a left wing activist 30 years ago. He isn´t anymore and he has shown it. I would accept a former Nazi, who has clearly seperated himself from his old views as well.

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:32 am

Nobody is perfect.

Perhaps the most truthful statement in this entire thread.
However, do you think ,either side will admit that when they attempt to find the skeletons in their opponents closet?

The "nobody is perfect" argument in our political system, applies only when your caught. Until then, you can apply for Sainthood.






 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:43 am

Fine here is some correlational evidence. I am the only person that my Dr. knows of at least that he has seen in his ten or so years of actual practice work excluding what he did in college, that has any report of any form of healing for this particular disorder. I am also one of the few that have any form of faith especially faith in God. I also do know about what it is like to not be healed I also have hemophilia a blood disorder that causes me to bleed longer and has some very serious and life threatening implications. Hemophiliacs are very prone to brain hemorrhages. I do not think you are picking on me because of my disability. However next time try not to be so facisious in a rebuttal. There are more respectful ways of asking a question. Which I did respond to you by stating I HAVE NO PROOF OTHER THAN MY FAITH. I know without a shadow of a doubt that this could not have happened by any biological or natural means as the disorder is degenative meaning it gets worse as time progresses. So I can hold to my faith that it was the touch of God and you can rely on your faith that there is no God and attempt to rationalize it away, if you can.

In Christ
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:45 am

OK Garen. I believe that you truly have faith in God and that you feel God cured you.

But doesn't that bring up a plethora of fundamental questions about faith? If a child is born into a family that does not encourage faith in your particular religion, does God ingnore him/her? Doesn't God pity all children who are suffering? Or just those with devotion to his teachings and faith in his power to heal?

Does God give some priority to Jimmy Swaggart's children for instance? I think I know what the answer is. We just don't know how "God" operates and can't explain why he chooses to occasionally provide aid and comfort to some arguably "evil" people yet sometimes appears to ignore the plight of many innocents.

So either God's curing power is quite arbitrary or it is the "act" of faith that has healing powers and not the deity involved.

We'll have to agree to disagree here I guess.
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:42 am

NWA742 your pot reply was outright insipid. Dr. Kary Mullis is a Nobel Prize winning scientist who still advocates smoking pot and has done every drug on the planet before winning his Nobel Award.

Wow, big deal. That still doesn't dispute the fact that drugs are a PROBLEM in this country, especially pot. That shit has caused thousands of people to drop school, college, and get fired from jobs, just for smoking it. It's also common to cause people to move to more harmful drugs. You're just another pothead trying to defend it. Mr. Mullis may be a successful scientist, but that doesn't justify doing illegal drugs. They do much more harm than good, and so many people have thrown their lives and their health away from them.

FACT: He said and I quote you "We Know they have WMD and we know where they ARE!" end quote

FACT: He said "We BELIEVE they have WMD". Bush based his judgements on intelligence that you and I don't absolutely nothing about. It turns out that these decisions may have been based on false info. Bush never directly lied to the nation. Bush may have been wrong, he did not purposely and directly lie, Clinton did. If you can't comprehend this, I feel sorry for you.

I expect an answer like this from a member of the 21 and under club...

Funny, I'd expect the drug-supporting crap from you to come from some ignorant teenager as well. Not from someone supposedly 36-45. But hey, you're obviously another hardcore liberal, so it hardly surprises me that you support pot. BTW, what part of my post makes you think I'm young?

Bush himself has almost come to concluding he may have misled the public (altough he knows damn well he outright lied) and here you are ready to swear on you life he didn't! One word..SCARY!

Bush realized he may have been wrong in his decisions, he DID NOT LIE. He never lied. He never said to anybody that there are certainly WMDs buried in Iraq. He always said that he and his administration believed that Iraq had WMDs based on their intelligence information, and they based their judgements and actions on that. You and other ignorant liberals just like to yell out "lie! lie!", and defend some of your own who have done the very thing you are supposedly against.  Insane

Okay, you're lying out of your ass on this one too and you know it! You would have answered instead of saying 'I do tell the truth'..What are we to do, take your word for it? (not that we really give a sh*t) I don't think so!

I see now that you think you know me well enough to spout out that amount of horseshit.

First of all, I'm smart enough to never do anything like that do my wife, never cheat on her. I'm also smart enough to realize that lieing and running away from a problem never solves it; Clinton obviously wasn't. I'm an honest person and I keep to my word.

I know you don't care what I say, I really couldn't care less about you myself, and I also know you're gonna spout off ungodly amounts of bullshit without any backing. Saying that crap when you don't even know me just makes you look even more like a fool.




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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:31 am

Remember the "pretzel" incident ??? I'll bet he fell because he was drunk ...
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:34 pm

I don't understand how some of you can compare Bush lieing about war and Clinton lieing about a blowjob (His sex life is none of anyone's business BTW).

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:47 pm

EmiratesA345...it's logic that completely escapes me too! I personally think it's a genetic flaw in mental wiring !

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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:54 pm

BN747, You speak the truth my friend .... I've been to 2 different doctors in 2 different states and both wanted me to take prozac after a 5 min exam ??? The kick backs from drug company's must be huge. In America your not a patient your a customer .... I think GWB is a party guy from way back...
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: GWB And Alcoholism

Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:04 pm

He was either drunk or high! Pretzel my ass!

So he choked on beer, or the pot cigarette he was smoking? Oh wait, it's just another vast right-wing conspiracy. That evil Bush!!  Insane

NWA742, listen dumbass, first of all I'm no pothead! Secondly, I don't do any kind of drugs at all.

Well firstly I'm not going to resort to your low immature level of name calling over the internet (that must make you feel like a macho man  Laugh out loud).

It was maybe judgemental of me to say you're a pothead, but when you sit there defending it's illegal use, one can only assume.......

But I will say the drugs doing the most damage to this society are the one doctors are tripping over themselves prescribing to people that absolutle have no ailments what so ever. Anyone who even hints at anything wrong is given prozac. Unruly kids are given ritalin, instead a good spanking!

I agree what doctors throwing their careers away, and all that is damaging. But don't forget all the young kids who do this either, and end up with bad records, bad grades, and eventually bad lives.

If you took you head out of George Bush rear long enough

What.......just because I defend the guy against stupid and false-stated crap you people push towards him, I have my head up his ass? Wrong, in fact, I disagree with a lot of the things he's done. He's not a perfect president, but so far I'm not satisfied with any of the democrat candidates either, Bush will get my vote over them.

almost a gaurantee there's a drunk inyour family.

That's kind of going far out, there are many families with problems like this, but it depends on a lot of factors.

No studies today has proven that pot is harmful in anyway.

  • THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) affects damages the nerve cells in the part of the brain where memories are formed, making it hard to remember things.


  • There are more than 400 known chemicals in marijuana. A single joint contains four times as much cancer-causing tar as a filtered cigarette.


  • Marijuana can limit your body's ability to fight off infection. It can increase your heart rate and lead to frequent chest colds. Some research even shows that long-term marijuana use can increase the risk of developing certain mental illnesses.


  • It is illegal to buy or sell marijuana. In most states, holding even small amounts of marijuana can lead to fines or arrest.


  • So I guess messing up your body and getting in trouble with the law are not harmful to you BN747.

    Now I know you want to believe that this is evil government conspiracy crap, and that some pro-marijuana website that states all the "facts" about it is right, but take one good look at history and reality.

    When it comes to this serious stuff, who would you like to trust, some "facts" from a pro-drug group, or the US Surgeon General?

    Boy do I feel sorry for your kids if that's the arguement you plan to make when they reach that 'trouble' stage....and trust me..they will get there!

    I know that happens in every kid's life. It does to all of us. I will teach and disclipline my children to make the right decisions in the best way I can, without any advice from yourself.

    you just sound like an critically uninformed teen

    Well, as I am backing up my statements with facts, not just spouting off pro-drug nonsense, I think you are the one who sounds uninformed and unexperienced in life.

    Dude...come up for some air...you really need it!

    Speak for your self.........




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    Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:04 pm

    Dc-10guy thanks, I know it to be true because one friend who works for a doctor and another who is in phamecuetical sales...and they readily admit they are on a mission to push certain drugs and brands. The doctors are now caught up in a vicious circle competing with other doctors as the incentives for such sales are astronomical! We're in an age where you're on your own, you'd better go get a second or even a third opinion for just about any and everything!

    If they could only come up with a pill for these guys who only see out of 'one jaundiced eye' when it comes to Bush and his Bushit!

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    Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:17 pm

    BN747 A friend of my family works at a corporate owned dental office. One day she found out that one of the dentists was let go. Later she found out that it was because he wasn't meeting sales goals !!! Ain't that a great system ??? NOT! It would be nice if a drug company came up with the "common sense" pill....Lots of our friends here could use it a ???
    Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
     
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    Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:20 pm

    It would be nice if a drug company came up with the "common sense" pill....Lots of our friends here could use it a ???

    Yes, it certainly would.  Big grin



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    Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:47 pm

    NWA742, I apologize for the 'dumbass' remark. But as far as the pot's concerned, I don't know the chemical break down of the stuff..but it is a natural weed, like a reed of wheat. Sure it has an affect on the natural senses as does many other plants, some make us sick, some can kill us. I have seem enough testimony from older people who rather have pot to alleviate their pain vs conventional medicines. As for recreational use, I've seen enough people under the influence and would have to say, I'd be more concerned about a drunk or someone high on GHB, crystal meth or exstacy or any highly toxic rec drug that seem to be everywhere today. The bottom line is War on Drugs was lost a long time ago. It's just like swearing, kids are going to do it, you just hope that they don't do it around you and that they somehow manage it. It's also like sex, kids are going to do it. You hope they don't, but conventional wisdom says the odds are they will...and you hope they just don't end up pregnant or getting someone pregnant. You simply hope, with the guidance you've provided, they can make the transition from adolecense to adult with as little 'bad' influences as possible. Some parents are lucky enough to have their kids make that leap problem free...but realistically..most aren't. That's the reality of our times.

    IMHO the Surgeon General, clearly has an agenda. We saw what happened to the last surgeon general who went against the grain...Joycelyn Elders who said that young teens need to know about condoms,sex and masterbation...we know see that she was right. But she got canned! In every Republican admin. the surgeon general never bucks the trend..and that worries me. The lack of independence by a Surgeon General from the official party line is a sure sign of allegiance to a cause rather than the general health and well being of the citizens at large. It is that kind of allegiance that has wrecklessly lead to the medical mess we are in now. The govenment isn't evil..it just doesn't have time for individuals...it deals in terms of people. So when it comes to the individual..and if you care enough, it's clear to me..you're pretty much on your own and I can deal with that. I just feel greatly for people who are older than me and have relied on 'the system' for so long...they don't know here to go now that many of them are figuring out that the system merely sees them as a number now....and nothing more.

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    RE: GWB And Alcoholism

    Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:56 pm

    What was Dubya's drink of choice?
    Was he in to Johnny Walker, Knob Creek, Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, Budweiser, Samuel Adams or Cold Duck?

    Even though he is filthy rich, I still associate him with Old Crow.
    The classier drinkers like Ted Kennedy I'd associate more with Bookers.
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    Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:31 am

    Superfly

    Cold Duck?
    LOL!  Laugh out loud

    Nah, W is more of a Makers Mark kinda guy.
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    RE: GWB And Alcoholism

    Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:26 pm

    In all fairness to poor George... If I had a wife as ugly as Laura I'd drink a lot too ...
    Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
     
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    Tue Mar 02, 2004 2:21 pm

    Dc10guy:

     Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud

    That was a good one! Big grin

    I always thought she looked like Martin Short in drag.

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    RE: GWB And Alcoholism

    Tue Mar 02, 2004 2:35 pm

    I think she looks better than Hilary though. Bill's taste in woman was almost as bad as his political decisions.

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    Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:50 pm

    TYSGoVols:
    I disagree. Hillary Clinton is much better looking than Laura and Monica Lewinsky is very attractive as well.

    I can't wait till Hillary becomes President!
    I will volunteer on her campaign if she runs!
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    RE: GWB And Alcoholism

    Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:11 pm

    I don't know about you Superfly, But I would do Hillary. I couldn't do Laura after a fifth of Crown for Christ sake. When it comes to putang I'm non-partisan too.
    Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
     
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    RE: GWB And Alcoholism

    Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:50 pm

    Ok that comment degenerated in a hurry and there is no way. Hilary is in comparison to say Rossie for looks. I give you she is less manish that Rossie but still same ugly factor. Just my own opinion I hope Hilary doesn't get her third term either.

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