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Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:12 am

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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:17 am

LMAO!! I think thats great. She claimed to have planned at 61 or whatever, but conveniently her fund manager also did the same with the funds he manages for her.
 
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:17 am

To be honest, I don't like her face, her attitude or any of her shows.
That will only lead me to a biased statement concerning Martha.
Although I honestly believe that justice has been done, at least when she has to do hard time in the slammer.
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:19 am

I'm truly amazed. I was expecting her to get off for a variety of reasons none related to the legal aspects of the case.
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:21 am

Oh no!

I like Martha Steward. She has an intriguing voice and her TV programmes were interesting (I watched some in Las Vegas).

Oh for shame on her! She was quite good.

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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:25 am

I guess she'll be taoing "Living" from behind bars. lol  Laugh out loud
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:28 am

I meant taping from behind bars. My bad ! lol  Laugh out loud
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:29 am

She won't be doing any hard time.
 
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:36 am

She won't be doing any hard time.

Greg, I know criminal law isn't your specialty, but do you know what the minimums are for these convictions? If memory serves, I thought they all carried some sort of mandatory jail time, but I could be wrong.
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:50 am

The article says 4 guilty charges, each with 5 years minimum (!)

Don't worry folks - she'll still help make the world a better place from her patterned cell !!  Big thumbs up

Leno et.al. will have a field day with this...
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:55 am

I'm truly amazed. I was expecting her to get off for a variety of reasons none related to the legal aspects of the case.

Ditto me
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:57 am

Good! This lady deserves prison.
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:57 am

They were saying on CNN this AM, if she's found guilty on ANY one of those charges, she could face at least three years. Suffices to say, we'll be watching a "Spruce up your bunk and cell" episode on Living along with some helpful hints on ajusting to Prison Life, not to mention Chili party recipes.  Laugh out loud lol!
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:04 am

At least hers will win teh "Best Cell" award at the annual cellblock awards

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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:17 am

I would be amazed if she goes to prison. I'd expect a shitload of community service, maybe some halfway-house time.
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:18 am

Is it that time of year again?  Big grin
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:18 am

I do wonder what the best way to decorate a jail cell is...certainly Martha will help us out there...

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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:30 am

She doesn't figure into my life..but I don't think her crimes are such that jail time is necessary--particularly if you compare the magnitude with WorldComm and Enron.

Probation and a very large fine---"It's a good thing..."

EA CO AS.....you may be right. I actually thought she 'might' be aquitted on all counts after the first charge was dropped.
 
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:07 am

I think She's going to get a 3-5 year sentence but only actualy serve 12-18 months behind bars in the most comfortable minimum security detention center the Feds have.
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:07 am

Probation and a very large fine---"It's a good thing..."

ROFL!!!

Well, now I know how Diet Coke out the nose feels. Gotta warn me before posting funny shit!  Big grin
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:48 am

She'll end up at one of those country club prisons like the one down @ Eglin AFB.
 
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:53 am

I predict that K-Mart will be carrying a lot more striped towels and blankets.

Stripes are slimming, you know.
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:56 am



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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:01 am

I think the party's juuussst starting.  Big grin
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:04 am

I understand she is going to do a TV show about constructing Shanks.

And how to put strings on shower soaps so that you don't drop them.
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:12 am

What are you think about what happening with Martha Stewart found all these charges? So how much longer that she will spent in the jail time or not able to have any jail time either.
 
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:14 am

I'm sorry... but her "crime" was completely irrelevant. There are murderers out there who get off within a year. This wasn't justice... this was sheer media spectale.

The fact that you people are making jokes of it is disgusting... you may not like her, I don't, but she doesn't deserve 3 years sitting in a cell over a $40,000 securities fraud. Not when others have stolen billions, were proven to have stolen it, and have gotten away with it. Big dart for the US justice system today.
 
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:26 am

but she doesn't deserve 3 years sitting in a cell over a $40,000 securities fraud.
****

Yes she does, as that is the law. Besides, she had 221,000 dollars in shares, and by having the tip it saved her 51,000, while the next day, every other investor of Imclone lost billions

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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:30 am

Yes she does, as that is the law.

Nice to know that the law favors murderers and rapists.

Who were the investors (or more accurately the investor) that lost "billions?" Everybody lost money... that's how the stock market works. She should be forced to pay up what she didn't lose. But that's about it

[Edited 2004-03-06 01:33:07]
 
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:38 am

Who were the investors that lost "billions?"
*****

While I would have to sit and do the math, Imclone like most other publicly owned companies have millions of outstanding shares that are held by both institutions and by the private investor. When the news came out about Imclones drug not being cleared, it wiped the stock from about 26 dollars down to 9 dollars or so (although I am doing this from memory). That means that you can take roughly 17 dollars, and multiply it times the amount of outstanding shares that the company has, which is in the millions. Therefore billions of dollars of investors money disappeared, yet Martha made a profit. The only reason Martha made a profit and not a loss like the rest of the investors, was because she had an illegal tip from the inside. This is now proven, not speculation

J
Ps you wrote "he should be forced to pay up what she didn't lose. But that's about it"
***

When a person in power abuses the power such as she has, then you need to be careful with what else she has done, and how many times she has done this sort of thing before. If as you say, she should only be forced to re-pay the money, then do you apply that same logic to everyone else that commits a crime ?

[Edited 2004-03-06 01:40:40]
 
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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:43 am

The link is not working.. can someone give a newer one?

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RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:49 am

She should be forced to pay up what she didn't lose.

Yes...AND serve jail time, or whatever sentence the law demands.

You cannot have the only punishment for insider trading be that the criminal lose the money that their crime allowed them to keep - otherwise there would be no disincentive to keep people from attempting such crimes in the first place.

Think of it this way - Martha knows she'll lose $40,000 if she doesn't sell the stock using her insider info...but if breaking the law only results in the same $40K loss, then there's no reason for someone not to attempt to break the law!

There HAS to be a big consequence (such as jail time) for such actions.

It's all academic anyway; she wasn't charged with insider trading to begin with! She was charged with and convicted of:

  • consipiracy

  • obstruction of justice

  • making false statements
  • (two counts)

    So it's not like paying back what money she avoided losing will undo the charges she's actually been convicted of, anyway.
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:49 am

    I think on appeal, it will come out a bit different, but I still don't see her serving any prison time. House arrest? Possible.

    I'm a bit confused at the guys on her that loathe her. She's pretty much a non-entity in my life....why the venom?

    How involved, as men, could you possibly be with Martha Stewart? What am I missing? (Unless you are just hateful of successful women, which I think is the likely underlying truth).
     
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:52 am

    It's not like she snuck into someone's home to steal the inside info, her friggin stockbrocker called her and told her something fishy was up (or so they say). I think that the person who gives out that info is the one responsible for the crime, once you have the info, it's quite reasonable to act on it.

    Did she commit a crime? Probably.. is it worth a big fine? Sure ! But doing hard jailtime, and at her age, it's practically a death sentence, and it stinks of scapegoating. As others mention, there have been various other instances where much bigger crimes have gone unpunished.
     
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:52 am

    why the venom?
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    I certainly do not have any of that towards her, I like martha, and what she has achieved, but she is guilty of a crime, and needs to serve her punishment.

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    Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:53 am

    Thank you SR117 and Greg for some words of reason. The whole fiasco was overkill.
     
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:54 am

    As others mention, there have been various other instances where much bigger crimes have gone unpunished.
    ***

    This is nothing to do with her...

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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:58 am

    Artsyman...

    Does the punishment really fit the crime??? I had a a former coworker who committed $100,000 in credit card fraud that served 3 months.
     
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:04 am

    How involved, as men, could you possibly be with Martha Stewart?

    Wasn't she the Patron Saint of all gay men until Carson Kressley came along?  Big grin
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    Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:06 am

    Who the hell is Carson Kressley???  Confused
     
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:08 am

    Does the punishment really fit the crime??? I had a a former coworker who committed $100,000 in credit card fraud that served 3 months.
    ****

    Well at the moment, there is no defined punishment, so I cannot comment on this. The problem is going to lay in the fact that she is in a position of power, and should be held to a higher standard, she also has her stock traders license, and therefore knows better than most about what the legalities of her actions are, and therefore once again should be held to a higher standard.

    As far as the others who have thus far escaped (Ken Lay etc), If they do not get it, then I would share your outrage, but I think it is coming for all of them.

    J

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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:10 am

    I agree with you completely Artsyman... but there's a fundamental difference.

    All the other guys screwed everyone else to reap in the profits... Martha just protected herself from being screwed. (interesting sentence  Big grin )
     
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:18 am

    All the other guys screwed everyone else to reap in the profits... Martha just protected herself from being screwed. (interesting sentence   )
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    This is a fine line, who knows what she has done along the way. She wasn't getting screwed (did I just say that ?) by Imclone, she invested (hence a risk) yet she did not share the same risk as others as she had an escape hitch from her friend.

    Look the point is this; Is what she did illegal ?, did she know it was illegal ? did she vow not to do this when she passed her stock trading course?, did she lie about this to her own shareholders ?...the court has ruled that she did all of the above, and hence found her guilty.

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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:29 am

    Who the hell is Carson Kressley???

    The incalculably obnoxious blonde from Queer Eye For the Straight Guy.
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:36 am

    CB: Could you imagine putting Carson and Martha in the same room? lol!  Laugh out loud
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:53 am

    All the other guys screwed everyone else to reap in the profits... Martha just protected herself from being screwed.

    Once again though, she's not guilty of protecting herself from being screwed. She's guilty of lying about it and conspiring to cover it up.
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:50 am

    I personally feel that Martha Stewart is NOT GUILTY. So she sold some stock and lied to the government. Oooo, as if the government doesn't lie too. I think she is brave for sticking it out this long. GO MARTHA!!!!!!!!
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:41 am

    Did anybody catch SNL? That had to be one of the best openings in a LONG time! I think it went something like this: " Ted, I'm on a boatload of anxiety medication right now and that's a good thing."  Laugh out loud
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    RE: Martha Stewart Guilty On All Charges

    Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:02 pm

    Remember Martha knows the workings of the stock market, after all she was a stock broker earlier in her life.....
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