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Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 3:51 pm

Just looking at some comments on the BBC website that where posted in several arab and arab language newspapers.

The crux of them is that they claim that there is a rush to blame al-quebert and arabs in general for the bombings in Madrid, while not looking at other possiblities.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3507570.stm

Here are a few of the highlights, fortunatly a few others get the fact that these are crimes.

What draws our attention is the fact that those who are supporting the Eta separatist movement rushed to conclude that the 'Arab opposition' was responsible for the terrorist act in Spain. This is a clear attempt to brand Arabs with terrorism.

Jordan's Al-Ra'y

It is illogical to accuse al-Qaeda before getting accurate information... The Spanish government was aware of this and moved fast to blame Eta before anyone else. Perhaps al-Qaeda was only used to deceive Spanish and world public opinion.

Saudi Arabia Al-Riyadh

It is very regrettable that some analysts and leaders rushed to link this terrorist act with so-called "Muslim terrorists" without verifying the truth of this insane statement [claim of responsibility by Abu-Hafs al-Masri brigades]... This insane statement has soiled the name of Islam... Islam is innocent of these bombings.

Jordan's Al-Dustur


Arabs and Muslims cannot commit such an act. We therefore condemn the act and hope that the Spanish government will be able to find out the truth.

London Al-Arab al-Alamiyah




EditJust wanted to add my read is that there actually was a rush to blame ETA and an unwillingness to initially blame Al-Quiche.



[Edited 2004-03-14 07:58:10]
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 3:56 pm

Arabs and Muslims cannot commit such an act.

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Sun Mar 14, 2004 4:11 pm

So the fact that a stolen car with Arab tapes, and bomb detonators was found nearby, and the phone that was found in the bomb sack as the activation method was a middle eastern phone, and the writing in the bag was Arabic shoud not be considered. Hate, to rehash it, but there is a reason why people are quick to suspect arabs.......

Let's pause a moment and take the following test....


In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbutt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwartzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver
was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid while on the run
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain:
"Mustapha the Merciless"
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands
of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 2001 the United States began to fight a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Now I gotta say I do not see a single justifiable reason for profiling those poor unfortunate and highly misunderstood male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40. This is serious injustice if I have ever seen it!!
 
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 4:14 pm

Hmmm, Artysman. I think I suspect a pattern in your post... Unfortunately, things only seem to be getting worse.

While I am 100% against the current US president, it is rediculous to blame him or any other Western leader for what is pure hate and terror.
 
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 4:24 pm

I am 100% against the current US president also.

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Sun Mar 14, 2004 4:55 pm

Hey, and don't forget the Oklahoma City bombing -- that too was done by Arabs -- remember the press reports at the time? I sure as hell do, and everyone, including the government, who insinuated it was Arabs were forced to remove the foot from mouth.

So don't try and tell me that Arabs and Muslims aren't automatically accused of any bombing or other terrorist act which is perpetrated.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/assault/okla-report.html

[Edited 2004-03-14 08:57:46]
 
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:08 pm

Hey, and don't forget the Oklahoma City bombing -- that too was done by Arabs
****

There is always one to pipe in about the one US non arab incident. Maybe I will start typing again and add a few hundred more to the Islamic side of things.

The arabs are the ones continually doing these sorts of things, and actively promote this as being an Islamic responsibilty, and as OBL says it is your Islamic duty to do these things and that it is being done as the will of allah. Then wonders why Islam suffers for it...
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:21 pm

Feel free to do so Artysman, be my guest. And whilst you are at it, maybe I could type up a list of the hundreds of terrorist acts which have been perpetrated in the name of the US govt.  Insane

BTW, the Oklahoma City bombing was mentioned for the benefit of certain people who would have had no idea what the hell I was talking about if I mentioned the Philippines, Moscow, etc, etc.
 
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:23 pm

maybe I could type up a list of the hundreds of terrorist acts which have been perpetrated in the name of the US govt.
****

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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:24 pm

Russophile, I'd like to see the list. Post at least 100 as you claim... and 99 won't cut it.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:43 pm

Russophile, I'd like to see the list. Post at least 100 as you claim... and 99 won't cut it.

Hell, I'd like to see just 2 or 3.

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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:45 pm

Brissie is known for using very anti-us sites for his information. Definately not unbiased information.

Actually has anybody heard from roy? I understand that at least two of the arrests in Spain where Indian nationals or people of indian decent.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:57 pm

Make up your own lists from the following countries -- Libya, Iran, Iraq, Congo/Zaire, Greece, Grenada, Panama, Indonesia, Timor, Sudan, Cuba, Laos, Pakistan, Nicaragua, Honduras, Lebanon, El Salvador, Guatemala, Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea -- there are more -- but you will be able to make a list of at least 100 terrorist incidents and events from those countries alone in which the US govt either directly carried them out, or directly supported in terms of arms, military assistance, etc.
 
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:00 pm

Rubbish L-188 -- I use information I have learned over the years. And to try and say, covertly, that I am anti-US is also rubbish -- I am hardly anti-US, but I won't sit by and let people dribble on how the US is never the perpetrator and always the victim of all that is bad in the world.
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:04 pm

Oh no Russophile... you said you could type up a list of hundreds of US terrorist acts... I want to see that list. Or is your word worthless??
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:07 pm

Make up your own lists from the following countries --

Libya - blew up flight over Lockerbie
Iran - Currently developing Nuclear weapons, busted today by the AE / UN
Iraq - President gassed his own people
Congo/Zaire Greece, Grenada, Panama - LOL
Indonesia - Islamics blew up a club full of Australian kids
Cuba - Castro ... such a fair, honest peaceful man
Pakistan - Let's see. where to begin..
Lebanon - What a joke, home to Hizbollah
El Salvador - You're right on this one, 2 Americans did steal some tequila
Guatemala - Lovely country, what did the US do to them ?
Vietnam - I'll give you half a point for this one.. war did happen
Cambodia - Pol Pot.... what a lovely man...sheesh
Korea - North Korea ???? LOL

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Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:05 pm

Libya - blew up flight over Lockerbie

US -- killed dozens of people in air raids on Benghazi and Tripoli -- Lockerbie was a case of "payback's a bitch"

Iran - Currently developing Nuclear weapons, busted today by the AE / UN

US -- refuses to make Israel open up its nuclear sites to UN inspectors -- sites which house nuclear weapons which are squarely aimed at Tehran.

Iraq - President gassed his own people

US -- supplied the gas.

Congo/Zaire Greece, Grenada, Panama - LOL

2,000 dead Panamians don't find it funny.

Indonesia - Islamics blew up a club full of Australian kids

US -- CIA initiated coup overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a military dictatorship : US -- authorised the Indonesian bloody invasion of East Timor, and supplied the arms to do so.

Cuba - Castro ... such a fair, honest peaceful man

As was Batista right? Big grin

Pakistan - Let's see. where to begin..

Yes, indeed, where to begin. Start with Zia I guess.

Lebanon - What a joke, home to Hizbollah

True, it is home to Hezbollah. Your point being?

El Salvador - You're right on this one, 2 Americans did steal some tequila

Well in addition to that, the US also supplied arms and money to a murderous regime -- over 70,000 dead.

Guatemala - Lovely country, what did the US do to them ?

Well, the US overthrew a democratically elected government in 1950s, and hundreds of thousands of people suffered either death or torture over 40 years. All because of some bananas.

Vietnam - I'll give you half a point for this one.. war did happen

A war which there was no reason for being there -- and was smeared with multiple occurrences of massacres and other 'terrorist' acts.

Cambodia - Pol Pot.... what a lovely man...sheesh

Yeah, he was such a lovely man -- maybe you can then tell me why the US supported him after the defeat of the Vietnamese Big grin

Korea - North Korea ???? LOL

Mass murders by US troops. The US says that bombings in Iraq now are terrorism -- but there is a war going on -- it is a part of war -- but going by the same standards that the US is applying to bombings and murders in Iraq, various massacres of innocents in Korea are also terrorism.
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:13 pm

Well the US was trying to clean up Frances mess in Vietnam.

Are you talking about the Korean War? You know those mass murder stories are originating from the DPRK. You want to talk about an Orwellian society, that is one.

Frankly I will leave it to the English to tear into you about Lockerbie.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:40 pm

"Frankly I will leave it to the English to tear into you about Lockerbie"

And as a Scotsman I will now tear into you for that remark you ignorant idiot  Angry
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:59 pm

And as a Scotsman I will now tear into you for that remark you ignorant idiot

That is priceless. There goes US-Scottish relations Big grin

I'll leave my other comments above -- they should probably be left for another time -- but in Reply 5 I posted a link which detailed some of the crimes which were perpetrated against Arabs and Arab-looking people after Oklahoma City -- and the same thing happened after 11-09-01 -- a lot of it because of irresponsible reporting by the media.

 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:23 pm

Ok Gkirk, OK  Laugh out loud

I deserved that one.

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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:39 pm

Hey lets talk about Russias role in sponsoring, and commiting terrorism while we are at it. That list is about as immpressive as the ones for the middle east. Right Russophile,
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:47 pm

Hey.... You americans will probably hate me for this one.......

But who started to fund the Al Qaeda and trained the as well in the afghan war against the russians back in the eighties? And who supported the Red Khmers... I know this is a litte off topic. But like I have been sayin a million times in here, I love the US and I always will. But I think its funny to see that you guys always blame everybody else except yourselves...
 
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:53 pm

The US did not fund Al-Quesadia back in the 1980's.

Al-Guapo is a product of the 1990's and Binnies family money.

Actually if the CIA had been more public about their support of the Mujhadeen during their war with the soviets in the 1980's, then maybe the middle east, which tended to also support that cause would have had today a better attitude toward the US.
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:57 pm

I guess if we all had crystal balls and could see 10,20,30 years into the future we wouldnt support anyone. At the time we supported those organizations it was the best course of action AT THE TIME. If you remember Russia invaded Afghanistan and was commiting countless attrocities there, yeah we supported the Mujhadeen but who could have ever seen into the future.
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Galaxy5

Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:03 pm

"If we had a sound long-term strategy we wouldn´t shoot ourselves in the foot all the time with our short-term thinking."  Insane
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:05 pm

Hey lets talk about Russias role in sponsoring, and commiting terrorism while we are at it. That list is about as immpressive as the ones for the middle east. Right Russophile,

Go ahead, be my guest Galaxy5. And you will probably find me agreeing with you.

Unlike others, I am able to see that a lot of countries have been guilty of terrorism, unlike the generalised American on these forums who don't think their country have every done anything wrong.

Oh, and L-188, I don't think that was Roy in Spain. From what I heard he is on his way to Anchorage to take out nutcases from that region  Big grin
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:06 pm

L-188 and Galaxy5

How come 2 different US guys says 2 different things??? One says yes and the other one says no. The US DID fund Al Qeada in the 80's!!! Maybe not the US government but the CIA did!
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:19 pm

Glguy24.

I stand by my position that the US didn't fund Al-quatro

What the US did do was fund the Afghani Mujahadeen, which as we all know was fighting the Soviets. This aid was kept pretty much under the table until the mid-late 1980's when the US chose to provide US made Stinger MANPAD missles. Prior to that mostly warsaw pack munitions where provided to them.

When the Soviets pulled out, the US did too, leaving no stablizing international force to help stablize the country. The previously united Mujahadeen split up into the warlord factions. One of these factions was the Taliban. The Taliban as we all know practices that militant form of Islam. By definition the Taliban was also made up by a large part of formor Mujahadeen fighters. But the same can be said of any of the Afghani factions during the 1990's.

The Taliban chose to harbor Osama, who also fought the soviets, in their country and recruited members from afghanistan and elsewhere. Considering where he was recruiting and running his shop from it shouldn't be surprising that ex-mujhadeen fighters where amoug those who where recruited into Al-quakers.

But just because a significant number of ex-Mujhadeen fighters where recruited into the Taliban and Al-quiche doesn't meed that the US funded them.

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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:21 pm

No one seems to care WHY countless Arab males between 17 and 40 are doing what they're doing. Blind hatred doesn't just come out of the blue.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:23 pm

Blind hatred doesn't just come out of the blue.

Exactly, which brings us back to the original subject I posted on.

You get fed years of biased information, like those comments in the original paper, and you develop a persecution complex.

Those 17 to 40 year old males have grown up only hearing how the west is evil, wants to destroy their religion. They where never told of things such as the US support for the Mujhadeen.
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:28 pm

Those 17 to 40 year old males have grown up only hearing how the west is evil, wants to destroy their religion. They where never told of things such as the US support for the Mujhadeen.

All of that is true, but then why do the newspaper editors have such a hatred against the West?
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:29 pm

Hehe,.. Al-quatro...

But if you read this one you will see that I am right. US Government did fund Al Quatro. I hate to see it as well, but unfortunatly it's true..

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Al-Queda







 
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:30 pm

I don't know.

Why do the Mullah's have a hatred.
Why do the governments have a blind indifference?
Why do the Moderates not speak out against the radicalism?

Maybe it is the same reason why a lot of stuff gets printed in the west.....It sells papers.
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:33 pm

No, i didnt say we supported Al queda, i pointed out we supported the Mujahadeen during the war in Afghanistan, who later became the Taliban, they have supported Al queda by funding and allowing training in Afghanistan. Al queda wasnt around until the late 80's, around 1988-1990 is when they first got started, and again they were there to force out the russians from Afghanistan, which at the time if you remember, was an enemy of the US. As stated earlier at the time it was the right thing to do, stop the Russians from over running Afghanistan and slaughtering many innocent Afghani's. At the time it wasnt considered a "short term solution" it was a long term battle with the Soviet Union ( you know, the whole cold war thing). Just as Germany's short term solution to have Hitler come into power and kill millions of people in WW2 wasnt really an expected outcome. But then again there is that whole crystal ball thing. If we could all see into the future alot of bad things might have never happened, then again with human nature if we could see into the future alot worse things may have occured.
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:36 pm

Why do the Mullah's have a hatred.

Because they are morons!! They know they have the power and want's more people to respect them by telling crap about the US and the west..
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:38 pm

QIguy24,

I think where the debate is that you are, incorrectly in my opinion, state that the Mujahdeen, and Al-queenies are the same organization.

That is IMHO an incorrect statement.
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:39 pm

Why do the Moderates not speak out against the radicalism?

I don't think it's as simple as saying "the moderates don't speak out". The problem is the grip that the hardline Muslims have on a lot of Middle Eastern countries. Take Iran: for all intents and purposes, the country is pro-US and it's people supportive of the West. With 2000+ liberal candidates being banned from standing in the recent election, I think it's pretty clear that what the Iranian people want, and what the Iranian government says, are completly different. However, the Iranians have already been burnt with one revolution, I doubt there'll be another one.

The problem for the West now is to try and get the hardliners out of office. Support of the citizens of the Middle Eastern countries and mass condemnation whenever (say) liberal candidates are banned from standing are the best ways to do this, in my opinion.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:42 pm

Your correct about the situation in Iran, and I think they latest moves to curtail the nuclear inspectors there is a result of that election.

Now I am all up for hearing suggestions on how to remove the hardliners, without the US ending up being protrayed as a bully or worse.
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:48 pm

Now I am all up for hearing suggestions on how to remove the hardliners, without the US ending up being protrayed as a bully or worse.

Dear L-188

We havent said that the US are bully's. I think the US are doing a good job to secure peace and freedom around the world. But they have done som "not so good" things in the past. Thats what I have been tryiing to point out.

But that is the past friends... We can only look in to the future and toghether make the world a better place to live in and toghether fight terrorism.
 
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:01 pm

I also never said the US was perfect, or that it's policies are.

But a lot of the positives we do get portrayed as negatives.

Look at the way that the 91 intervention in Kuwait is now being portrayed by some media sources. The US as the aggressor, who only intervened because of the oil.

Look at the military equipment that has been sent over to Lebanon to help them rebuilt their army. Those M113's didn't come from Iran.
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Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:15 pm

But a lot of the positives we do get portrayed as negatives.

Thats because some people just doesn't know better. People have always critizised the US, and some of the times I have a feeling they are doing it of jealousy, because their country arent as big and great as the US.

Not that I want to sound like a buttkisser with this post, but that's how I feel and after the stories tha poeple have told me.
 
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:26 pm

Its sad to see that many people see their opinions as true solid facts. In most cases it's stereotypical, ignorant views based on rumours/information that are baseless. I hope that one day people could understand various situations better rather than being gullible and believing everything they read.

Russophile, thanks for your comments  Smile
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:40 pm

Baseless? Baseless like what, all the terrorist actions commited by Islamic extremists. Its long due that the Muslims police their religion to weed out these extremists or they can expect more and more people to find their way to dislike them.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:55 pm

What about the foreign policies that the US has? What about the support they give to the Arab dictators? What about the under-the-table activites that occur? What about Palestine?

Look I am not saying there aren't problem but you must understand there are 2 sides to every story and you shouldn't be naive and believe everythinbg you are told.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:59 pm

Look I am not saying there aren't problem but you must understand there are 2 sides to every story and you shouldn't be naive and believe everythinbg you are told.

THis is very true, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that Galaxy5 has a much wider range of available information then some 14 year old in a Mandrassa(Is that how it is spelled?) or any typical Al-quarter recruit.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:11 am

The only information an Al Queada suicidal person are getting is from the coward high rank muslims in a tie who doesn't have the guts to do it him self!
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:15 am

L-188

That's exactly what I am talking about:

1. Where did you get 14 year old from-it shows 21-25 on my profile, i.e. MAKING UP INFO
2. You ASSUME I go to Madrasa though there is no information to prove this or even to suggest this (I do not even live in Egypt, I represent them).
3. You are IMPLYING that Madrasas are narrow minded even though in Europe religious schools (i.e Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Catholic) are among the most high performing schools. Madrasas literally means schools in Arabic. Huh, what can I say.

Thanks L-188
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:27 am

No Horus, you issued a statement saying that how people feel about the Muslim religion and terrorists connections are baseless, which by all the evidence at hand shows there is a definite connection. Now most people arent saying all muslims are terrorists but most terrorists are calling themsleves muslims. What the islamic religion needs to do is clean house and make it known that they do not condone, or support terrorists and toss them out. But we hardly hear anything come from Muslim religeous leaders except that it the Victims fault they are attacked. Im sure that some do speak out but not enough. And if you feel, and the muslim leadership feels they arent being heard, then they need to speak louder and more often. But its their choice as to do this or not. You need to convince us that you are peace loving peoples.
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RE: Arab Newspapers Claim Rush To Blame Arabs

Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:43 am

Galaxy

I see your point, but sorry I don't think I need to convince you of anything. Until you really understand the situation in the Middle East and what Muslims go through, we won't get anywhere. The problem is that there is so much misinformation in the media that potrays people in a certain way that is based mostly on stereotypical views that are very insulting. I fully condemn acts of violence, what happened in Madrid and NY was terrible and is not in any way what Islam teaches but worse injustices happen to the Muslims around the world. I have American and British friends and we get along very well. I tell them things about the Middle East and Muslims that they don't know to help them understand. I was told by one of them, that a recent poll in the US showed that only 8% of Americans knew that Israel is the occupying force in the Middle East.

L-188, proved what I am saying. In one thread he illustrated three mistakes about me cos he ASSUMED I am an Arab Muslim. It's things like these that are hard to understand and hurtful, indicating the limited understanding some people have.

You need to convince us that you are peace loving (and understanding)people too.
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