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Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:44 pm

Exactly the same car only a different name and logo. Why not only Opel or only Vauxhall? And where does the name Vauxhall come from?

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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:49 pm

These cars are GM cars...
The GM affiliate in UK is Vauxhall, in Germany, it is Opel.
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Do you know the Opel Corsa from Germany...?
In Argentina, the same car sells under the name Chevrolet Corsa.
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Many cars "change name" when sold in other countries...
Marketing, that is it. But yet the same cars...
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Ford plays the same game that GM does...
In Australia, there is a great Australian Ford car, called the Fairlane...
That name was used many years ago in USA by Ford...
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:04 pm

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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:07 pm

Vauxhall was an old British motor maunfacturer that was purchased by GM in the early 20th century. They kept the name as it had a very strong brand image in the UK.
BTW here in Ireland we don't have them, we have RHD Opels  Smile

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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 9:34 pm

Who qwould like to drive a "Popel" anyway?
N.B. "Popel", slang German for what you pick from your nose...  Smile

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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:09 pm

If your a traveling salesman your drawn to the Vectra TD. Its a fact! They are wanna be BMW drivers, bless em.


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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:34 pm

As has been pointed out, Vauxhall have been a GM subsidiary since about 1930. Up until about 1980, the Vauxhall and Opel companies, though both owned by GM, were essentially separate, with entirely different product lines.

Obviously, this didn't make huge financial sense given the cost of development, and Vauxhall effectively ceased to exist as a separate entity. The name is kept on because of its perceived Britishness; doubtless, even now there are people stupid enough to believe buying a Vauxhall is a patriotic purchase.

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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:11 am

I got to admit buying a vauxhall is easier to accept than buying an Opel. I most likely would have bought a Clio or a 206 or mg If it was corsa Opel. But the fact its vauxhall and my dad has always liked vauxhall and said there good cars and being a British name etc did influence my purchase I did like the corsa though. Brand engineering dose work vauxhalls are still made in Britain but even though Luton closed. Not as if Opel are even German anyways both are owned American.

Vauxhall are thought of as a good car maker why through all that away?

Its the same as every other car company why do VW own AUDI and Bentley they are VW with different badges same with ford and jaguar and Volvo and GM with SAAB. Everyone nose the VX badge is way better than a crappy flash also LOL.
 
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:13 am

opel is a sweet in the UK not a car!
 
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:42 am

"Brand engineering dose work vauxhalls are still made in Britain"

Wow, they put on the Vauxhall badge in Britain? True British engineering!  Smile

Opel still does most of its development alone and has a huge development center in the town next to the one I'm living in, and their cars have become better in the last years since GM lets them do more on their own than before.
 
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:23 am

They make the new vectra in Liverpool I believe. Yeah they have got so much better the agila is magic so it is LOL. So brand engineering dose work still why do vw make audi's not just the vw a4 and ford with jaguar.
 
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:38 am

Thanks for the interesting replies!

A Chevrolet Corsa! Can't believe it!

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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:42 am

As an interesting sidenote the reason that the Vauxhall Nova was sold on the continent and in south america as the Opel Corsa was that in spanish speaking countries the word 'Nova' as in Opel Nova means wont go! Not to good a car that Opel 'Wont go' Hehehe! also my father tells me a joke of why the Toyota MR2 doesent sell well in france; if you say MR2 in a french styleee accent ( emmmm air duh ) it sounds like French for S**t, (merdé!)
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:47 am

Don't even get me started on the Mitsubishi "Pajero" in Spanish-speaking countries!
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:49 am

Don't even get me started on the Mitsubishi "Pajero" in Spanish-speaking countries!

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Btw: I saw in some report on TV that the "Seat Cordoba" is sold as a "City Golf" in China.

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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:05 am

I probably shouldn't even get my snout into this as I don't have specifics in front of me, but I do believe that Adam Opel AG dates back into the early 1860s when bicycles were the big deal. I also remember that Opel built French cars near 1900 under the name of Opel/Darraq; I don't remember the origin of Vauxhaul, nor the date of when General Motors acquired each. I do remember that GM's recently-retired Vice President of Design, Wayne Cherry, spent over a dozen years at Opel before he took over USA operations and was instrumentally successful in campaigning for real pieces of crap cars that almost brought the world's latgest corporation to it's knees. Actually, he was very successful in his ineptitude as I now think that GM is maybe the third or fourth largest corporation instead of the previous first. Anyhoo, maybe Opel can do better with their new management team. Oldsmobile Division of GM used to spill more scrap glass and door trim padding in dollar volume than Opel was making on cars; hope this stuff gets sorted out before my retirement checks dry up. Regards...Jack
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:45 am

The Opel Astra, Corsa, Meriva and Vectra are sold in Mexico as Chevys.......I think also models such as the Opel/Vauxhall Astra is also a Holden in Australia.
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:40 am

I didn't know European models from Opel were sold in Mexico, I spend 2 months a year in FL and have seen a few Peugeots from Mexico but never any other euro model! I now wonder if Chevy in the UK will be using the models of the now defunct Daewoo! If so then that is a real disappointment and places shame on the Chevy brand and lessens the impact and importance of its arrival!
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:56 am

The new Chevy compact car the "Aveo" sold in the US is a rebadged Daewoo.
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:56 am

This is spooky. While I was on my hols in Spain, I asked my friend this question, as you only see Vauxhall in the UK and Opel everywhere else.
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:26 am

At the end of the day there all built on GM chases and just different body and engine combinations the vectra and the 9.3 saab share a common chaise as dose the mondao and jaguar x-type for examples vauxhall have a new merroco supper car coming out in the UK witch is a modified Australian holden for 30k. Which will not be made into an opel.
 
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:53 pm

Btw: I saw in some report on TV that the "Seat Cordoba" is sold as a "City Golf" in China

We have Citi Golf here, it is a Golf 1 which has been built locally and continuously ever since the Golf 1 was the only Golf, so VW South Africa are building Golf 1 and Golf 4 in the same factory.

http://www.vwsa.co.za/models/citigolf/
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:45 pm

Who actually cares, Vauxhall or Opel, both still crap brands Big grin


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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:36 am

Interestingly many old Opel/Vauxhall designs get sold to Daewoo who then make them in Korea and either sell them badged as Daewoos or as GM brands. Case-in-point is the old Pontiac LeMans (which was around in the late 80s/early 90s) which was originally sold in Europe as the Opel Astra.
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:23 am

Hmmmmmmmm i'm 99% sure the Pontiac LeMans is a rebadged Daewoo sold in the US as a Pontiac and not the other way arround.
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:23 pm

Don't even get me started on the Mitsubishi "Pajero" in Spanish-speaking countries!

Not heard about the Pajero. What was it?
I heard that there was a problem with a car called the "Pinto" (possibly "Punto") being sold in Portuguese speaking countries. Think it was Fiat but not sure on this one. Heard that Pinto is slang for a bloke with a small d*ck. Can't see many guys wanting to drive round and impress the laydeeez with one of those!


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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:00 pm

Pajero is a Mitsubishi SUV, and Pajero means wanker or something like that in Spain.

The whole language thing is difficult for companies, I think Dell means something like bitch in Dutch - you can change the name of a car, but the name of a brand?
 
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:46 pm

The LeMans was made by Daewoo in Korea and sold in the US as a Pontiac. However, the car itself originally started life as an Opel Astra. I hope that is a little clearer.
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:54 am

I now wonder if Chevy in the UK will be using the models of the now defunct Daewoo!

There are three Daewoo models being rebadged and sold as Chevrolets in North America, the Aveo in the US and Canada, Optima and Epica in Canada only.
 
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:17 am

My friends uncle has a Chevrolet pick up truck in Cyprus. In the UK it is exactly the same as a Vauxhall Brava. I've also seen the same pickup truck badged up as in Izuzu too.

The Vauxhall Fontera and Monterry are also sold as Izuzu modles in the US too I've seen.

The Audi A4, Skoda Octavia, Audi TT, VW Passat all have use exactly the same floor pan and also the same 1.8 engine too.

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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:36 am

I wouldn't mind having that dodge ram srt-10 is it? They could import that anyday!LOL a pickup with a viper engine boy would that annoy those little boy racers! I remember seeing a Pontiac le mans a few years back and thought it was as bad as the European astra it was based on think it even had a whaletale on it of all horrors! Going to FL next week and hope to nail the crap out of another rental maybe a caddy or a miserable Taurus like last time! I need a new car in the next couple of years mite get a Citroén Saxo and put the 2.0 out of the Xantia in it!
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RE: Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:33 am

The LeMans was made by Daewoo in Korea and sold in the US as a Pontiac. However, the car itself originally started life as an Opel Astra. I hope that is a little clearer.
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Yeap!...that was my understanding also

On another note the recent models introduced by Suzuki in the US (I forget the names) one is a compact and the other one a mid-size, are actually rebadged Daewoo models since GM has a holding stake on both companies.
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